German border flood 2021 - Surprisingly not immigrants this time

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Tathagata said:
You mean local knowledge and a historical view of the region's ecology can offer an explanation other than the educated suits on tv saying this is because I won't eat bugs?
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It would ruin the narrative if you point out that other geographical regions in Europe have had similar problems, and solved it by simply spending resources on preventing future floods. Heavy urbanization and damming of rivers causes floods if you don't compensate for it
 
We had a lot of floodshits every year but it got fixed like 170 years or so ago.

But those riverworks are centuries old now, and propably will need a makover in a few decades time, especially with more towns cropping up or old ones expanding.
 
Here is something funny I read today: the German Katastrophenschutz ran simulations of a flood in the same region years ago (2012) And as a funny sidenote they also ran a simulation how a pandemic with a SARs virus would play out. And yet we all act as if this is suprising. Heck member of the German weather forecast say that this flood is most likely not caused by climate change. Climate change is now just a buzz word Politicians use to cover their fat asses
 
German government is facing serious backlash about the floods now.

www.welt.de

Hochwasser: Unfassbare Ignoranz ermöglichte erst die Katastrophe - WELT

Politiker, Behörden und Medien verweisen auf den Klimawandel als Ursache für die Flutkatastrophe. Dabei wurden Unwetterwarnungen nicht ernst genommen. Und der Katastrophenschutz bei uns ist auf dem Stand eines Entwicklungslandes.
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Politicians, authorities and the media point to climate change as the cause of the flood disaster. Yet severe weather warnings were not taken seriously. And disaster protection in our country is at the level of a developing country.
The risk was known: Rainfall like this week’s has happened repeatedly in Germany, historical chronicles read like blueprints for the current flood disaster, and hazard maps show the flood risk. Yet politicians, authorities and the media point to climate change as the cause – while disaster protection in Germany is at the level of a developing country. An unbelievable scandal.
At least 156 people have died because of heavy rain in Germany. Rain had fallen in amounts that have always been expected in Germany and have been an occasional occurrence since time immemorial. The same places that have been devastated by floods of rain this week have been hit in a similar way in the past, as chronicles show.”
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Meanwhile, the BBC news website continues to be unintentionally hilarious.

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can anyone explain what is happening in this picture?
 
Return of the Freaker said:
I'm gonna guess it was somehow racist blackface or something
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No, apparently she did it to make it look like she had been assisting the victims, and the original headline of the article in question indicated that she had been helping them.
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Aufräumarbeiten nach Flut: RTL-Moderatorin Susanna Ohlen packt in Bad Münstereifel mit an

RTL-Moderatorin Susanna Ohlen packt bei den Aufräumarbeiten in Bad Münstereifel tatkräftig mit an und teilt im Netz schockierende Aufnahmen.
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Google Translate:
Emotional appeal to people who would like to help
Cleaning up after the flood: RTL presenter Susanna Ohlen lends a hand in Bad Münstereifel


Official statement:
Google Translate:
Our reporter's approach clearly contradicts journalistic principles and our own standards. We therefore gave her a leave of absence on Monday after we heard about it.


In other words, she was pretending to be a good person.
 
Gonna sound like a busted record here, and a rather callous one at that, but blame the EU for this, not global warming or climate change or whatever they're calling their eternal bugaboo. IIRC they have an environmental regulation somewhere that mandates rivers must all follow their natural courses. As a result rivers are extremely difficult to maintain since any attempt at flood control via diversion or hell, even dredging since that would induce a certain flow direction would risk running afoul of EU regs. Never mind that the "natural" course for rivers is frequently not where you want them to go. The Mississippi River is one of the world's largest geo-engineering projects, a combination of dredging, dams, and dikes set up all along its length to make sure it doesn't jump its banks, flood a shitton of land, and coincidentally no longer terminate at New Orleans, making the city even more of a shithole as the lack of shipping traffic turns it into the Detroit of the South.
 
Snekposter said:
Gonna sound like a busted record here, and a rather callous one at that, but blame the EU for this, not global warming or climate change or whatever they're calling their eternal bugaboo. IIRC they have an environmental regulation somewhere that mandates rivers must all follow their natural courses. As a result rivers are extremely difficult to maintain since any attempt at flood control via diversion or hell, even dredging since that would induce a certain flow direction would risk running afoul of EU regs. Never mind that the "natural" course for rivers is frequently not where you want them to go. The Mississippi River is one of the world's largest geo-engineering projects, a combination of dredging, dams, and dikes set up all along its length to make sure it doesn't jump its banks, flood a shitton of land, and coincidentally no longer terminate at New Orleans, making the city even more of a shithole as the lack of shipping traffic turns it into the Detroit of the South.
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Hm, not sure if that makes sense. One of the flooded areas specifically was around a river that had been straightened ages ago, and the former flood basin settled in.
However, one issue that was seen was that dams were overflowing and near bursting, because people thought that due to climate change we'd never have wet summers again, so the official policy was to conserve water as much as possible and keep the dams near capacity. Combined with a general lack of maintenance you get shit hitting the fan real quick when you get more rainfall in a day than what you expected for the entire month.
Disaster protection and official agencies along with public broadcasting ropped the ball hard here. Shit was foreseeable for several days, and nobody was properly warned.
Sirens didn't work properly, either. I mean, last year they did a big federal siren test where every single public siren was to be tested. The date was known months in advance, and still the majority of sirens failed. Apparently they were not fixed since, either.
And even if: The sirens would have woken people up to turn on the radio or TV to get the news on what's happening. But the big public broadcaster for that area just did its normal program without giving a single fuck.
There was so much incompetence and bullshittery going on that some more unhinged people think it was all planned. Like, let the floods be extra bad as to make the CDU candidate (who's the minister for the state with one of the biggest floods) look bad and climate change like the biggest issue ever.
Seems too wacky for me, way too much collusion necessary among way too many people. It was just people being extraordinarily incompetent.
 
Meriasek said:
Hm, not sure if that makes sense. One of the flooded areas specifically was around a river that had been straightened ages ago, and the former flood basin settled in.
However, one issue that was seen was that dams were overflowing and near bursting, because people thought that due to climate change we'd never have wet summers again, so the official policy was to conserve water as much as possible and keep the dams near capacity. Combined with a general lack of maintenance you get shit hitting the fan real quick when you get more rainfall in a day than what you expected for the entire month.
Disaster protection and official agencies along with public broadcasting ropped the ball hard here. Shit was foreseeable for several days, and nobody was properly warned.
Sirens didn't work properly, either. I mean, last year they did a big federal siren test where every single public siren was to be tested. The date was known months in advance, and still the majority of sirens failed. Apparently they were not fixed since, either.
And even if: The sirens would have woken people up to turn on the radio or TV to get the news on what's happening. But the big public broadcaster for that area just did its normal program without giving a single fuck.
There was so much incompetence and bullshittery going on that some more unhinged people think it was all planned. Like, let the floods be extra bad as to make the CDU candidate (who's the minister for the state with one of the biggest floods) look bad and climate change like the biggest issue ever.
Seems too wacky for me, way too much collusion necessary among way too many people. It was just people being extraordinarily incompetent.
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It's far more likely that a lot of incompetence in all levels led to a bad situation turning into a disaster. The media gets more attention from fear mongering about climate change than looking at the actual underlying causes which involves years of neglect, failing infrastructure, poor training, etc. etc.
And the politicians are all too happy with embracing the notion that this was caused by climate change and not systemic faults.
It's not evil, but society is blind to the cracks that are forming. The old guard is leaving, and they've left everything in the hands of a generation that has known no hardship and thinks that the system just magically works. Of course not everyone are like the worst cases where you've got people who think food just magically appears on the shelves, but you've got government workers seeing the dams ready to burst, they know it's going to be pouring, they know there's been floods before, but they just expect someone else to deal with it and act shocked as the TV just plays braindead reality tv as hundreds die in the street.
 
Übertroon said:
they know there's been floods before, but they just expect someone else to deal with it and act shocked as the TV just plays braindead reality tv as hundreds die in the street.
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the last big one was over a decade ago, if people even remember that. no one expects shit happening so no one prepares for it. simple as that.

and the fact is no one will care in the future. it's a topic now because it's summer and there isn't really anything to report (and get outraged about) and election year, but afterwards? "ah yeah, bunch of people died of rain, happens" till shit hits the fan in another decade, and the exact same questions will be asked for another few weeks, rinse repeat. ignorance is bliss (and probably cheaper too).
 
ZMOT said:
the last big one was over a decade ago, if people even remember that. no one expects shit happening so no one prepares for it. simple as that.
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Well in the hit area there is a major flood like this every 100 years. the last 2 were even bigger.
 
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