🐱 Girls Don't "Graduate" From Animation, Networks Are Failing Them

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Gender is one hell of a thing. I grew up in a media landscape where boys and girls were expected to like specific things and indulge in certain parts of their personality that abide by long-established societal norms that those above us were far too stubborn to change.

Boys needed to like violence, farts, and dinosaurs, while girls were expected to enjoy pink, princesses, and horses. Myriad other things fall into these respective ballparks, but you get the idea. Those at the top who dictate the media we consume and the products available to us have for decades believed that children’s entertainment should be partitioned off in a way that today is downright archaic. It’s down to sexual prejudice, lack of faith in the creators trying to start to tell these stories, and an ignorance towards how things have changed.

A recent interview with Amy Friedman, who heads up kids and family programming at Warner Bros. has been doing the rounds online and offers a damaging perspective on animation from someone in her position. Here’s a choice excerpt from the interview which highlights her views on the medium right now, especially for young girls and shows aimed specifically towards that demographic.

"Girls often graduate out of animation. Some of our most incredible competitors have been at the live-action game for a long time. We know that’s what girls want."

I recommend reading the full interview for yourself to gather a more layered perspective on where Warner Bros. stands right now when it comes to animation for girls and why it believes that shows in this medium don’t have a place when compared to boys. Friedman thinks that live-action shows, shorter films, and media that focuses on more clichéd depictions of femininity are what girls these days want. It’s much easier to focus test and call it a day I guess.

But is this really the case, or is it that animation has for decades been forced to abide by outdated gender norms with its stories and characters instead of being provided room to grow? When I was a child the majority of characters in the cartoons I consumed were male, even more so when we’re talking about starring roles. Women were often off to the side, acting as romantic interests or sidekicks instead of being given agency. It wasn’t until Avatar: The Last Airbender with characters like Toph and Katara that the landscape began to evolve and show that women had a place on the main stage.

Even films like Beauty and the Beast and The Little Mermaid from Disney followed main characters who would often be abiding by the whims of male counterparts. Ariel literally trades away her voice for a boy she has just met because he’s handsome. Stories that were meant to be seen as tales of female empowerment for young viewers to take inspiration from were instead used as tools to further this reductive perspective on gender. Meeting your Prince Charming and become a peerlessly attractive heroine was far more important than growing as a person or teaching young girls wider societal lessons, and I can’t help but feel that attitude is still held by so many to the detriment of a medium that is doing everything it can to move forward and embrace a new generation.

You don’t suddenly reach a certain age and swear off animation forever, pledging your loyalty to That’s So Raven and Zoey 101 instead of daring to be caught watching Foster’s Home for Imaginary Friends. But for Warner Bros., it would rather claim that animation is something girls aren’t interested in without bothering to find out why or pursue projects that might seek to change that perspective. It’s also just untrue, and even if it was, many of the reasons come down to shows that highlight or champion women being cut short or not given the resources they need to succeed. By cultural bias they are always seen as lesser.

It isn’t girls who have “graduated out of animation,” but the executives in charge of major networks who don’t at all seem interested in approving shows and films that seek to represent them, or live in fear that women won’t buy merchandise that for so many is more important than the art itself. Profit reigns supreme. As does an ingrained misogyny that expresses paranoia of audiences not being interested in buff protagonists in shows like The Legend of Korra or adult characters like Infinity Train’s Amelia that run the risk of either not drawing in new audiences or failing to sustain existing ones. This is the same for all shows though, so stop blaming it on girls not pulling their weight.

Yet when films like Turning Red break streaming records and house narratives that revolve around the challenges of growing up and dealing with unique issues you would never catch a company pointing to female representation as a reason for potential failure. If anything it would be the opposite. Girls get it done until you need a reason to justify a cancellation or point towards not having proper representation in a medium that still has a long way to go before reaching equality.

I’m also confused as to why animation still needs to be split by such a dated gender binary. Shows don’t need to strictly appeal to boys and girls nowadays, even if those that do still have a place in the grand scheme of things. We should be seeking to tell more inclusive and welcoming stories fit for all genders, races, sexualities, and life experiences. Animation is a medium that can take us anywhere, yet major networks seem content to limit themselves or rely on safe ideas instead of pushing forward.

Even with all the marketing research and spreadsheets in the world, I’m not sure Warner Bros. really knows what girls want. Discounting an entire gender’s investment in a massive medium is dangerous, inaccurate, and throws so many creators under the bus for no good reason at all. There are so many shows out there for young girls right now that tell amazing stories with female characters, and even more can follow in their footsteps if you give them a chance. Stop being boomers in the boardroom and take a look outside the echochamber.
 
Women love anime, particularly slice-of-life and relationship light dramas, with a smattering of action(a lot of chicks that watch anime will also watch Attack on Titan or Bleach for their handsome husbandos). Western TV executives are fucking clueless, but these feminist animator harpies aren't much better.
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Not surprisingly, most of the images posted here fail the Bechdel Test spectacularly, and yet have large female fandoms, invalidating that particular hunk of bullshit.
 
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Women love anime, particularly slice-of-life and relationship light dramas, with a smattering of action(a lot of chicks that watch anime will also watch Attack on Titan or Bleach for their handsome husbandos). Western TV executives are fucking clueless, but these feminist animator harpies aren't much better.
You just hit the nail on the head.

The feminists and alphabet crew want to turn out half-baked shit designed purely to signal “The Message” and get paid obscene amounts of money to do it, viewership and profitability be damned.

They want to pretend the issue is the companies not giving their shit shows no one watches a chance, which means the show runs until they are tired of it.

This is how it goes.
 
Ariel literally trades away her voice for a boy she has just met because he’s handsome. Stories that were meant to be seen as tales of female empowerment for young viewers to take inspiration from were instead used as tools to further this reductive perspective on gender.
These people never understand the concept of sacrifice and compromising for the opposite gender.

We should be seeking to tell more inclusive and welcoming stories fit for all both genders, races, sexualities, and life experiences
It's called "Watch what you want". A lot of girls watch stuff made for guys because we have the freedom to choose.

These people want gibs from studios and are deluding themselves that not having a core demographic will increase viewership. These retards don't know how marketing works.
 
You didn't know?
I knew it was for retarded reasons, but I didn't know it was because of this "graduating out" retardation (although I don't think that's the actual reason, but whatever). Maybe I missed the memo growing up that girls are supposed to no longer be interested in animation-related stuff. I guess I should revoke my vagina card.
 
Even films like Beauty and the Beast and The Little Mermaid from Disney followed main characters who would often be abiding by the whims of male counterparts. Ariel literally trades away her voice for a boy she has just met because he’s handsome. Stories that were meant to be seen as tales of female empowerment for young viewers to take inspiration from were instead used as tools to further this reductive perspective on gender. Meeting your Prince Charming and become a peerlessly attractive heroine was far more important than growing as a person or teaching young girls wider societal lessons, and I can’t help but feel that attitude is still held by so many to the detriment of a medium that is doing everything it can to move forward and embrace a new generation.
Disney sperging ahead. Please ignore.

Gonna put my Lindsay Ellis fatsuit on to bitch about this lazy, tired, warmed-over early 2000's Third Wave Feminist take. Shit like this makes me wonder when this heifer actually *watched* these movies, as opposed to DiScOuRsInG them to death on Tumblr.

Ariel is not "throwing away her voice for a boy she has just met because he's handsome," she's *wagering* her voice -- the most valuable thing she has -- because it gives her the only chance she's ever going to get to live the life she wants to live, away from her domineering family. That gives the movie this thing called "stakes"? Ever heard of them?

These themes aren't subtle, this being a movie for children. Ariel literally explains her motivations in her big ballad:

What would I give if I could live out of these waters?
What would I pay to spend a day warm on the sand?

Bet'cha on land they understand
That they don't reprimand their daughters
Bright young women, sick of swimmin'
Ready to stand

The sins of Beauty and the Beast conveniently aren't mentioned, but the movie is *entirely* about "growing as a person." The Beast's character development is central to the story. Once again, the movie's theme -- personal growth -- is literally stated in its big ballad:

Tale as old as time
Tune as old as song
Bittersweet and strange
Finding you can change
Learning you were wrong

Belle is kind of a cipher, sure, but she's hardly some bimbo in need of rescuing. She's brave, smart, idealistic, and uninterested in normie bullshit. That's three more personality traits than I could scrounge up for any character in your average wide release movie.

Disney is gay now but they put out some pretty good shit in the 80s and 90s. These movies aren't hard to find and most of them are under 90 minutes long. They're also movies for children; they're not exactly hard to comprehend. So if you're going to use them as an arguing point for your SJW tedium, maybe take the time and actually watch them?
 
I’m also confused as to why animation still needs to be split by such a dated gender binary. Shows don’t need to strictly appeal to boys and girls nowadays.
It never was. I'm sure animation studios had their target demographics, but there is nothing stopping anyone from watching it. Growing up I watched stuff like Powerpuff Girls, Kim Possible, Totally Spies, and Salor Moon. Kids will watch whatever is on and the only people stressing about the gender binary are gender specials.

Women were often off to the side, acting as romantic interests or sidekicks instead of being given agency. It wasn’t until Avatar: The Last Airbender with characters like Toph and Katara that the landscape began to evolve and show that women had a place on the main stage.
Today I leaned that Avatar invented strong female protagonists and apparently the author missed the shows I listed above. Was she genuinely living under a rock or is she deliberately lying?
 
A recent interview with Amy Friedman, who heads up kids and family programming at Warner Bros.
Hold the phone a WOMAN said all this?! What a twist.

Even with all the marketing research and spreadsheets in the world, I’m not sure Warner Bros. really knows what girls want.
For the 10,000th time, we want shit that isn't boring, preachy or buttugly. If pedowood is still not getting this right then fuck them and embrace indie shit until they do.

Today I leaned that Avatar invented strong female protagonists and apparently the author missed the shows I listed above. Was she genuinely living under a rock or is she deliberately lying?
Well she's a troon so option 2. 🚬
 
You just hit the nail on the head.

The feminists and alphabet crew want to turn out half-baked shit designed purely to signal “The Message” and get paid obscene amounts of money to do it, viewership and profitability be damned.

They want to pretend the issue is the companies not giving their shit shows no one watches a chance, which means the show runs until they are tired of it.

This is how it goes.


Also its never just about making content for female viewership, otherwise as with Anime they would have hit their target demographic. Its about co-opting and taking space in genres that was traditionally made for a male audience. Besides Tumblr tards, most woman want content made for them, not to spite male viewers.
 
I'm old enough to remember when Ariel from the Little Mermaid was praised for being proactive and pursuing what she wanted. As opposed to being a nice "passive" princess who just sat back while the secondary characters did things for her. So now feminists don't like her because she was putting her life on the line and takings risks to be with an (ugh) man. I'm not looking forward to the upcoming wokeified live action Little Mermaid where Negro Ariel decides she wants to become human because she wants to start her own seashell bra making business on land and become a strong independent wahman that doesn't need no man in her life.

Feminists hate all genre media because a lot of it shows women and men in traditional roles, as you would expect in pre-industrial times when a person's physical limitations determined the roles they could play in life. Women achieved equality with men and engaged in activites that were previously the sole domain of men, not because men decided to stop being meanieheads and let them into the Fun Time Adventure Club, but because technology made it possible for women to engage in economic activity outside of the home. Also, advanced medicine made it possible for women to plan their families and reduce the number of kids they had to give birth to in order to keep the population numbers up..

So when some feminist whines "WAAAAHHHH! Traditional Gender Roles BAAADD!!!' about a story set in the Middle Ages, you know she's full of shit and has no idea how history and biology works. You can also understand why a lot of leftists want to erase the past or revise it to include POCs and Strong Independent Women, -because they can't explain why societies would arrange themselves to be unequal with no understanding of the physical factors underpinning their decisions.
 
Meeting your Prince Charming and become a peerlessly attractive heroine was far more important than growing as a person or teaching young girls wider societal lessons, and I can’t help but feel that attitude is still held by so many to the detriment of a medium that is doing everything it can to move forward and embrace a new generation.
Wasn't the point of Cinderella that she was rewarded for maintaining outstanding virtue and forebearance in the face of uncompromising, usurpative, and personal evil-- instead of being swallowed up by it and turned for the worse? That that the prince enamored with her because of exactly that turned the entire kingdom upside-down just to find her, and was able to figure out who she was with nothing but the experience of that night and a shoe?
 
Hold the phone a WOMAN said all this?! What a twist.
For too long these Biological Women have been too stupid to know that their tastes reinforce the Patriarchy. We need the manly transwoman to tell these dumb bitches what to think.
Ariel literally trades away her voice for a boy she has just met because he’s handsome.
That's the story of the original fable you dumb bastard.
 
But is this really the case, or is it that animation has for decades been forced to abide by outdated gender norms with its stories and characters instead of being provided room to grow? When I was a child the majority of characters in the cartoons I consumed were male, even more so when we’re talking about starring roles. Women were often off to the side, acting as romantic interests or sidekicks instead of being given agency. It wasn’t until Avatar: The Last Airbender with characters like Toph and Katara that the landscape began to evolve and show that women had a place on the main stage.
>Not mentioning Azula.
>Not mentioning Ty Lee.
>Not mentioning Mai.
>Not mentioning June.

When literally there's a good example before ATLA with PPG in the 90's...
I fucking hate troons and journos. Mix both of them and are pure AIDS in human form.
 
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