🐱 Girls Don't "Graduate" From Animation, Networks Are Failing Them

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Gender is one hell of a thing. I grew up in a media landscape where boys and girls were expected to like specific things and indulge in certain parts of their personality that abide by long-established societal norms that those above us were far too stubborn to change.

Boys needed to like violence, farts, and dinosaurs, while girls were expected to enjoy pink, princesses, and horses. Myriad other things fall into these respective ballparks, but you get the idea. Those at the top who dictate the media we consume and the products available to us have for decades believed that children’s entertainment should be partitioned off in a way that today is downright archaic. It’s down to sexual prejudice, lack of faith in the creators trying to start to tell these stories, and an ignorance towards how things have changed.

A recent interview with Amy Friedman, who heads up kids and family programming at Warner Bros. has been doing the rounds online and offers a damaging perspective on animation from someone in her position. Here’s a choice excerpt from the interview which highlights her views on the medium right now, especially for young girls and shows aimed specifically towards that demographic.

"Girls often graduate out of animation. Some of our most incredible competitors have been at the live-action game for a long time. We know that’s what girls want."

I recommend reading the full interview for yourself to gather a more layered perspective on where Warner Bros. stands right now when it comes to animation for girls and why it believes that shows in this medium don’t have a place when compared to boys. Friedman thinks that live-action shows, shorter films, and media that focuses on more clichéd depictions of femininity are what girls these days want. It’s much easier to focus test and call it a day I guess.

But is this really the case, or is it that animation has for decades been forced to abide by outdated gender norms with its stories and characters instead of being provided room to grow? When I was a child the majority of characters in the cartoons I consumed were male, even more so when we’re talking about starring roles. Women were often off to the side, acting as romantic interests or sidekicks instead of being given agency. It wasn’t until Avatar: The Last Airbender with characters like Toph and Katara that the landscape began to evolve and show that women had a place on the main stage.

Even films like Beauty and the Beast and The Little Mermaid from Disney followed main characters who would often be abiding by the whims of male counterparts. Ariel literally trades away her voice for a boy she has just met because he’s handsome. Stories that were meant to be seen as tales of female empowerment for young viewers to take inspiration from were instead used as tools to further this reductive perspective on gender. Meeting your Prince Charming and become a peerlessly attractive heroine was far more important than growing as a person or teaching young girls wider societal lessons, and I can’t help but feel that attitude is still held by so many to the detriment of a medium that is doing everything it can to move forward and embrace a new generation.

You don’t suddenly reach a certain age and swear off animation forever, pledging your loyalty to That’s So Raven and Zoey 101 instead of daring to be caught watching Foster’s Home for Imaginary Friends. But for Warner Bros., it would rather claim that animation is something girls aren’t interested in without bothering to find out why or pursue projects that might seek to change that perspective. It’s also just untrue, and even if it was, many of the reasons come down to shows that highlight or champion women being cut short or not given the resources they need to succeed. By cultural bias they are always seen as lesser.

It isn’t girls who have “graduated out of animation,” but the executives in charge of major networks who don’t at all seem interested in approving shows and films that seek to represent them, or live in fear that women won’t buy merchandise that for so many is more important than the art itself. Profit reigns supreme. As does an ingrained misogyny that expresses paranoia of audiences not being interested in buff protagonists in shows like The Legend of Korra or adult characters like Infinity Train’s Amelia that run the risk of either not drawing in new audiences or failing to sustain existing ones. This is the same for all shows though, so stop blaming it on girls not pulling their weight.

Yet when films like Turning Red break streaming records and house narratives that revolve around the challenges of growing up and dealing with unique issues you would never catch a company pointing to female representation as a reason for potential failure. If anything it would be the opposite. Girls get it done until you need a reason to justify a cancellation or point towards not having proper representation in a medium that still has a long way to go before reaching equality.

I’m also confused as to why animation still needs to be split by such a dated gender binary. Shows don’t need to strictly appeal to boys and girls nowadays, even if those that do still have a place in the grand scheme of things. We should be seeking to tell more inclusive and welcoming stories fit for all genders, races, sexualities, and life experiences. Animation is a medium that can take us anywhere, yet major networks seem content to limit themselves or rely on safe ideas instead of pushing forward.

Even with all the marketing research and spreadsheets in the world, I’m not sure Warner Bros. really knows what girls want. Discounting an entire gender’s investment in a massive medium is dangerous, inaccurate, and throws so many creators under the bus for no good reason at all. There are so many shows out there for young girls right now that tell amazing stories with female characters, and even more can follow in their footsteps if you give them a chance. Stop being boomers in the boardroom and take a look outside the echochamber.
 
Wasn't the point of Cinderella that she was rewarded for maintaining outstanding virtue and forebearance in the face of uncompromising, usurpative, and personal evil-- instead of being swallowed up by it and turned for the worse? That that the prince enamored with her because of exactly that turned the entire kingdom upside-down just to find her, and was able to figure out who she was with nothing but the experience of that night and a shoe?
Yep and if you want more active Cinderella Disny has provided that you. It's called Cinderella 3 Twist in time and while the name is dumb the movie is good. Genuinely funny, well animated and has a fast moving plot with well motivated characters that act smartly.

The movie starts a year after the original, Stepmother gets the fairy godmother's wand and turn back time to take revenge on Cinderella for escaping the abuse and having better life than her. Then she uses the magic to set the prince up with Anastasia for status and to rub it in Cinderella's face. Confused Cinderella chooses to go to palace to find the guy she fell for and figure out what's going on. I don't want go over the full plot, I recommend you watch it yourself but it has action, relaship drama and the prince jumping out of an window. Ultimately the day is saved by kindness, not just by Cinderella but because the prince and the king are so sweet and loving to Anastasia when they thought she was the girl that she can't make herself to hurt them and Cinderella with the scam anymore and she realizes it's not what she really wants anyway.
 
You didn't know? Also the problem is animations girls like get canceled because they don't sell product ( even if they are hugely popular)
Which is strange, considering how on the anime side some series will pander to chicks specifically because they can be big spenders,

Only difference is that it panders through adding attractive male characters rather than girl power.
 
I'm not looking forward to the upcoming wokeified live action Little Mermaid where Negro Ariel decides she wants to become human because she wants to start her own seashell bra making business on land and become a strong independent wahman that doesn't need no man in her life.
They already did that with Cinderella. Literally: she turned down Prince Robert's proposal to "focus on her dress making career."

Bonus points because the end of the movie was Prince Robert LITERALLY GIVING UP THE THRONE TO HIS SISTER in order to be with Cinderella.


Cinderella is an ambitious young woman who wants to establish her shop "Dresses by Ella". One day in her patriarchal society, she catches the eye of Prince Robert in the guard-changing ceremony. The next day, Robert, dressed as a commoner, goes to the market, where he finds Ella trying to sell her dress. After some playful banter, he buys it for three times the amount she originally asked. He later invites her to the ball being held two weeks later, with the promise of introducing her to various people from the world to sell her dresses to.

When the day arrives, Ella is getting ready when her stepmother, Vivian throws ink on her dress and tells her that only her stepsisters Malvolia and Narissa, can attend, since Thomas the vegetable merchant has already confirmed his desire for Ella's hand. Ella is sad, but her Fabulous Godmother magically appears and dresses her in a design of Ella's, with glass shoes, and turns mice into footmen and a crate into a carriage. Ella goes to the ball and meets Tatiana, a visiting queen who offers to take her around the world as a dressmaker for her and asks to meet her the next day in the market square. Later, Robert finds Ella, shows his sister, Princess Gwen wearing the gown he bought from Ella previously and proposes to Ella. Ella refuses, however, as she wants to start her career. She tells him that if she marries him it will be the end of her dream and Robert from his small age wanted to become the king and he also is not ready to accept this. At the stroke of midnight, she leaves the ball after throwing her shoe at one of the King's attendants, who tries to catch her.

The next day, Vivian tells Ella her life story...that she was also an ambitious girl like Ella and had even gotten an opportunity to learn piano in a reputed music school. She left home to study and when she came back home her husband divorced her, saying that she is not a suitable wife and kicked her and her daughters out. While she was about leave Ella's room she finds Ella's glass slipper and, on knowing the truth that her stepdaughter is the mystery princess, tries to convince Ella to marry Robert. When Ella refuses, Vivian gives her to Thomas.

Robert's mother, Queen Beatrice, helps his father, King Rowan, understand that it will be right to let him marry a commoner. The king thinks of these words and allows the prince to marry his love. Rowan even gives him the glass slipper. Robert keeps searching for Ella and finds her running in the forest after she escapes from Thomas. They profess their love for each other and kiss. Ella and Robert reach the market in time to show her designs to her benefactor, who accepts them and asks Ella to travel with her.

Robert introduces Ella to Rowan and Beatrice and informs them of their decision to travel the world. He knows this will ruin the plan for his future ascension to the throne, but Beatrice smiles as Rowan proudly declares that Gwen (who has repeatedly shown an interest and ability in affairs of state), will now be first in line to the throne. Citizens of the kingdom gather to witness the ceremony announcing the Princess' position and that Robert and Ella are in love.
 
No. I simply don't want to watch gay, pandering, horseshit with ugly character designs (e.g. Steven Universe, She-Ra reboot...).

It's like any Western animation aimed at women or young girls nowadays ends up being the most woke crap imaginable with hideous art styles. The cartoons don't really do well outside of their little followings, and golly gee I wonder why.

I just want to watch buff dudes kicking ass. To these crackheads, that probably means I'm actually trans or something despite them saying shows shouldn't be put in binaries.
 
Disney sperging ahead. Please ignore.

Gonna put my Lindsay Ellis fatsuit on to bitch about this lazy, tired, warmed-over early 2000's Third Wave Feminist take. Shit like this makes me wonder when this heifer actually *watched* these movies, as opposed to DiScOuRsInG them to death on Tumblr.

Ariel is not "throwing away her voice for a boy she has just met because he's handsome," she's *wagering* her voice -- the most valuable thing she has -- because it gives her the only chance she's ever going to get to live the life she wants to live, away from her domineering family. That gives the movie this thing called "stakes"? Ever heard of them?

These themes aren't subtle, this being a movie for children. Ariel literally explains her motivations in her big ballad:



The sins of Beauty and the Beast conveniently aren't mentioned, but the movie is *entirely* about "growing as a person." The Beast's character development is central to the story. Once again, the movie's theme -- personal growth -- is literally stated in its big ballad:



Belle is kind of a cipher, sure, but she's hardly some bimbo in need of rescuing. She's brave, smart, idealistic, and uninterested in normie bullshit. That's three more personality traits than I could scrounge up for any character in your average wide release movie.

Disney is gay now but they put out some pretty good shit in the 80s and 90s. These movies aren't hard to find and most of them are under 90 minutes long. They're also movies for children; they're not exactly hard to comprehend. So if you're going to use them as an arguing point for your SJW tedium, maybe take the time and actually watch them?
Good thing it is a Lindsay Elise fat suit so there is room for two.
Now a lot of my memory of these movies are from cheap second hand VHS as i grew up poor. So my memory is fuzzy, however.

I think sleeping beauty and Snow white is the only ones of the top of my head where you can claim the princess to be passive. Both do have ohter stories that take place in and around the characters. In sleeping beauty it is more about the fact that hiding the princess (cant remember the name) away from the world will only hurt her in the long run as she dose not know the dangers of the world.

In snowhite it is about jealously. Snow white is a passive, nice person and if the Queen never got jealous and tried to drive snowwhite out and kill her she would not have died.

Yes the princess is passive at times, but that is sometimes there to tell another story. Not every person in a story needs to be a fighty person to be active.
 
Which is strange, considering how on the anime side some series will pander to chicks specifically because they can be big spenders,

Only difference is that it panders through adding attractive male characters rather than girl power.
The power of yaoi is dark and immense.
No. I simply don't want to watch gay, pandering, horseshit with ugly character designs (e.g. Steven Universe, She-Ra reboot...).

It's like any Western animation aimed at women or young girls nowadays ends up being the most woke crap imaginable with hideous art styles. The cartoons don't really do well outside of their little followings, and golly gee I wonder why.

I just want to watch buff dudes kicking ass. To these crackheads, that probably means I'm actually trans or something despite them saying shows shouldn't be put in binaries.
What if they are handsome, buff dudes with comedic quips? Maybe even flowing, thick hair?
 
Why are all of her examples from over 25 years ago? Sounds like she has graduated out of animation if she doesn't know any recent girls' animated shows.

And from what I've seen, most modern western animation is pretty diverse. Really it was mostly diverse even when we were kids in the 90s. Remember the Burger King Kids Club? Lots of casts of characters in children's media from that era looked similar.
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Bitching about diversity in kids media after the 80s comes off as very out of touch.
 
Boys needed to like violence, farts, and dinosaurs, while girls were expected to enjoy pink, princesses, and horses.


Umm... Was the author living under a rock when bronies were happening? :cringe:

Women were often off to the side, acting as romantic interests or sidekicks instead of being given agency. It wasn’t until Avatar: The Last Airbender with characters like Toph and Katara that the landscape began to evolve and show that women had a place on the main stage.

Guess the author never watched Sailor Moon or Jem.

The author is such an autist. Kids will watch what they like. You can watch anything. You literally have everything you could ever want to see already on the internet. Your choices are endless.
 
And from what I've seen, most modern western animation is pretty diverse. Really it was mostly diverse even when we were kids in the 90s. Remember the Burger King Kids Club? Lots of casts of characters in children's media from that era looked similar.
I remember when I was younger and I used to try to understand why the "diversity" in more recent cartoons was more garish and annoying than that of the ones from earlier in my childhood.

I figured that it wasn't a complicated matter: those shows were just better. It wasn't a matter of "forcing diversity", it wasn't really anything specific-- I just felt those shows were better, didn't suck, and were fun.

It's more than likely that it's a matter of "soul" and the fact that the Tumblr graduates making these shows don't have one.
 
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