Given how firmly entrenched SJW shit is in academia, how do us non-SJWs counter the obvious comparison to creationists?

[Jarolleon]

It seems like the consensus in the "relevant" (i.e. bullshit studies) fields is so overwhelmingly in favour of ideas like systemic bigotry being the sole cause of all the problems of anyone who isn't a white man, everything being a social construct, gender, biological sex, and sexuality being independent, intersectionality &c. that it's very easy for some smug SJW cunt to say that anyone who opposes this stuff is just like a creationist in the early 2000s. Both are aligned with the political right, accuse this consensus of being manufactured through conspiracy (e.g. Expelled:No Intelligence Allowed), cite experts whose fields are only tangentially related to the topics at hand to back up their arguments, rely on the internet and public debates to propagate their ideas (to the extent that mini-personality cults form around such debaters) and so on. Hell, there was even a period in which creationists were dominant on Youtube, shortly followed by a wave of Euphoric Atheists who looked smart by taking apart their bullshit, a superficially identical pattern by the Skeptic dominance of Youtube politics videos being followed by the Breadtube takeover.

It's tempting to just dismiss those fields as "bullshit studies" like I did, and use some old "Hard on Soft Science" talking points from the time of the Sokal Affair to back this up, but trying to convince a normie that multiple established fields of study are nothing but subversive nonsense created by a bunch of literal domestic terrorists from the 70s getting jobs in academia is like trying to convince them that Joseph McCarthy did nothing wrong. Both are probably correct, but come off as Alex Jones-tier lunacy.

I think that a strong component of how this shit is so relentlessly pushed from on high is that it has the authority of "Science!" behind it in the eyes of the kind of people who listen to NPR/CBC when driving to work in the morning (i.e. basically the entire upper-middle class if my relatives are any indication), so attacking this argument is quite important. It's as if a great proportion of people in the West have already bought into the line of thinking I wrote out in the first paragraph; SJW shit is backed by scientific fact and the only question is how to implement it, and how to deal with the stubborn deniers.

 

[SIGSEGV]

By being correct.

 

[NIGGER ASS PEE POOPY RAPE]

"every human is created equal" is the new creationism

 

[Syaoran Li]

The one thing that could kill SJW academia in its crib is a student debt crash, since the colleges will pick the grievance studies to be axed first, since they are the least valuable financially and the least likely to see returns.

Another thing to consider is fewer people going to college can limit the indoctrination of the SJW movement as well.

IIRC, Core Zoomers are going to college at lower rates than Millennials and Early Zoomers since the student debt trap is well-known at this point. I'd imagine this will be even more of a trend with the Late Zoomers and the Alpha Generation when they enter adulthood.

The Millennials and Early Zoomers are so hyper-woke as a generation because more of them went to college than any other generation in American history.

Really, the one-two punch of a Trump win in 2020 coupled with a student debt crash or debt reform that specifically ends the college loan gravy train would be the most effective way to kill the Woke Left in the long run.

 

[MediocreMilt]

Well, the thing about people opposing Creationists is that in addition to having the Academy on their side, they were also actually correct and capable of articulating why.

SJWs can't say the same.

Don't mind me, just farming "optimistic".

 

[No Exit]

Plenty of creationist stuff is "backed by scientists" too. If I pay some guy $5 with a PhD to write some bullshit paper that says I'm scientifically the most perfect man then it's backed by science. The term means very little nowadays.

 

[ToroidalBoat]

A better analogy would be if "Young Earth Creationism" or "homeopathy" somehow took over academia and totally not biased research supported it, so believers could say skeptics are "against science" or they're "on the right side of history".

("Woke" so infests Western academia, because if you did any "problematic" research, you'd be "called out" and "cancelled".)

(edit: kind of ninja'd by @No Exit)

 

[Papa Adolfo's Take'n'Bake]

Dude, if Barb the Creationist or Karen the Anti-Vaxxer has more conviction than you what can you really hope to achieve?

 

[Jarolleon]

A better analogy would be if "Young Earth Creationism" or "homeopathy" somehow took over academia and totally not biased research supported it, so believers could say skeptics are "against science" or they're "on the right side of history".

("Woke" so infests Western academia, because if you did any "problematic" research, you'd be "called out" and "cancelled".)

(edit: kind of ninja'd by @No Exit)

Something like "The New Lysenkoism" angle that IDW types have been trying for a few years?

Edit:I guess the main difference between this claim of institutional persecution and that made by the creatards is that the fields primarily propagating this horseshit were conceived for that purpose and genuinely do have an activist mindset while evolutionary biology gradually caught on over decades and wasn't inherently politicised. We aren't in the parallel universe where Darwin the hardcore abolitionist set out defeat racism once and for all by encouraging all his fellow activists to study biology and take academic jobs in that field, until it becomes established scientific fact that "We are all Africans".

 

[Rand /pol/]

The one thing that could kill SJW academia in its crib is a student debt crash, since the colleges will pick the grievance studies to be axed first, since they are the least valuable financially and the least likely to see returns.

Another thing to consider is fewer people going to college can limit the indoctrination of the SJW movement as well.

IIRC, Core Zoomers are going to college at lower rates than Millennials and Early Zoomers since the student debt trap is well-known at this point. I'd imagine this will be even more of a trend with the Late Zoomers and the Alpha Generation when they enter adulthood.

The Millennials and Early Zoomers are so hyper-woke as a generation because more of them went to college than any other generation in American history.

Really, the one-two punch of a Trump win in 2020 coupled with a student debt crash or debt reform that specifically ends the college loan gravy train would be the most effective way to kill the Woke Left in the long run.

Zoomers are the least white of any generation, good luck getting them to be anti-essjaydubya conservatards.

 

[Y2K Baby]

Scream louder.

 

[Zero Day Defense]

Zoomers are the least white of any generation, good luck getting them to be anti-essjaydubya conservatards.

Even better. Pretty much every other demographic is substantially more (socially) conservative-- so much so, that the GOP's failure to capture them is astounding.

Well, it's not that astounding.

 

[ToroidalBoat]

Pretty much every other demographic is substantially more (socially) conservative

Ironically, the most anti-white people are among white people.

Chinese didn't call the "woke" the "white left" for no reason.

 

[Meat Pickle]

The GOP's failure to capture them is astounding.

It think it boils down how the public paints the GOP as a minority-unfriendly and hardline Christian party. Many conservative political parties around the world have a similar problem.

 

[Made In China]

Attack people, not ideas.

 

[Zero Day Defense]

It think it boils down how the public paints the GOP as a minority-unfriendly and hardline Christian party. Many conservative political parties around the world have a similar problem.

The GOP isn't doing itself any favors, either. Actually, they haven't really tried to get minority groups onboard until Trump, and Trump barely tries, himself.

Like, they really lost Mexican Catholics to a party that's been caught mulling the prospect of authorizing the murder of babies even seconds before or after birth. And African-Americans are more devout than white Americans-- especially at this point-- but they managed to lose them to a party that allows Planned Parenthood to cluster in their neighborhoods to kill their children at several times the rate as the white woman and is totally for the effeminization of their boys.

The only other way the GOP could fail this spectacularly is if every one of their members was in a collective coma for the past 30 years.

 

[Jarolleon]

Attack people, not ideas.

So if someone pulls this argument on you, just post embarassing photos of grievance studies faculty with the sarcastic tagline "Listen to the experts" (bonus points if you include the ones who have threads here)?

 

[Slap47]

Bide their time and then start publishing anti-woke stuff in their own journals. Scholars love unraveling the BS of the people before them.

 

[Made In China]

So if someone pulls this argument on you, just post embarassing photos of grievance studies faculty with the sarcastic tagline "Listen to the experts" (bonus points if you include the ones who have threads here)?

Yes, better than "iF i DeBaTe THeM wItH fAcTs AnD lOgIc I wIlL pReVaIl".

 

[Marco Fucko]

I like how you assume SJWism is some kind of infectious bacteria among the academy and not a result of it.