given the current state of things what do you view as free speech?

[HatredOfScissors]

This is my current idea of free speech. Let me know if you see any issues.

Freedom of speech means you can have and express any opinion you want without consequence. You can say anything you want, but that doesn't mean other people have to listen, or (more importantly today) that you can stop or make it difficult for other people to be listened to by other people.

You can't go around yelling in public because that would be disrupting other people, by forcing them to listen to you when they don't want to. You can't yell fire in a movie theatre because that would fall under forcing other people to listen. You can't follow someone around insulting or trying to talk to them when they don't want you to.

You can't tell someone "oh you're perfectly free to say anything you want, but you have to do it out in the middle of the desert miles from any civilization. People will have to travel all the way out there to hear you but technically you can still express yourself and your rights aren't being violated." Total bullshit. Everyone knows what you're doing. (Sidenote: XKCD needs to be euthanized)

You can't make someone listen to you. And you can't stop someone being listened to.

Hate speech is free speech. The only reason norman faggots say it isn't is because they're scared of it, of people actually agreeing that trannies are abhorrent and maybe that Austrian painter had a point, and upsetting the established order of things.

"freedom of speech isn't freedom of consequences" is nonsense phrase used as a platitude by enemies of freedom to justify censorship, because its vague and meaningless slop. Its safe to assume anyone that uses it is a retarded idiot.

If you punish people for their opinions you create a society of limp wristed faggots that won't speak up about anything. You get discordant and mawkish cancer like black lives matter, trust the science and take the vaccine. Because people losing their jobs and livelihoods over their thoughts has become normalized.

 

[BULLY HUNTER_77]

I feel pretty comfortable with "free speech" as allowed by US law. There are always grey areas (pornography, for example), but if it's not illegal incitement of violence or deliberate libel, I'm okay with most speech on this site. I mean, I think some of it is offensive, stupid, sometimes deranged, but I'm willing to scroll on by in order to have a place where I can say things that other people might find offensive/stupid/deranged.

This is kind of a tangent, but the current situation of "no one can be offended ever" is something I blame on the online SJWs misunderstanding and taking something out of its useful context. A "safe space" was generally meant for therapeutic purposes, or very specific discussion spaces. The online SJW movement has decided that the entire internet should be a "safe space" where no one needs to be offended, challenged in a meaningful way, or just uncomfortable.

Just enough people have come of age with this mindset that it is destroying online spaces in general. Part of living in a society is being able to deal with other people you don't agree with, maybe not on anything. Online, it really needs to be remembered that you can scroll away from things you don't like. Not every shitty thing requires your attention. It's okay to just ignore shit.

This is exactly how I feel as well. The fact that a completely above-board, SFW site, with zero incidents of on-site organized violence/harassment in its ten years of operation struggles to stay on the clearnet has done a lot to legitimize .onion sites for me.

The journoscum have nothing on us. Every agreed-upon lie is so easily verified as false. They might as well have claimed KF is a hub of CP too because that would've been equally as true as the bullshit they went with. The currency of this site is only ideas and achieved evidence that validates those ideas. These ideas and achieved evidence are inconvenient to those with power, so of course they want us voiceless. Bottom line is I like the fine line Null went with.

On a side-note, it really is kinda pathetic that full control of all the major sites, a full-throated defense from all news outlets, and public/private sanctioning of criminal activity isn't enough to sustain the fragile ego of the fat eunuch. The truth *cannot* be allowed to exist anywhere or it immediately shatters the delusions of Staff Infection Voldemort. The second one normie whispers to another that cutting your dick off doesn't make you a real woman, the Anime Trap Dimensional Merge completely evaporates. They start to feel their heavy, masculine skeleton weighing them down. They smell the stench of feces wafting from their crotch. They feel the fat roll where a womb should be. They're struck with the terrible knowledge that they've peaked and the abomination they've become only holds disintegration of flesh, pain, and puss for their remaining half-century natural lifespan. Panic. They absolutely *must* eradicate all reality and restore the delusion before they start to consider cutting the abject misery short. A thought starts to loop endlessly in their mind: "just a rope, a knot, and a short drop and then it's all finally over" - the words becoming more and more seductive with each repetition. No matter what happens, simply not being them is victory enough for me. There is only cope, seethe, and dilation for them.

 

[Manul Otocolobus]

Free speech for me is saying anything I want, whenever I want, however I want, wherever I want, unless it can be demonstrated, beyond a reasonable doubt, that what I want to say would cause irreparable harm to another entity.

 

[Chocolate Wombat]

I think the problems we're running into have less to do with freedom of speech and more to do with no one being willing to draw a line and say "there is no such thing as a right to not be offended." Followed by "words are not violence." Codify those two concepts in law and the debate ends pretty quickly.

That's really where all of this comes from, the desire to protect people from offensive thoughts or ideas expressed by others. People have the right to choose who they associate with, if a person's expressed ideas are offensive then stay away from that person. If that person is following you around and yelling racial epitaphs at you, well, that's harassment and there are laws for that already without dragging race into it to make it extra special illegal. We need more people with real power to respond to race baiting and similar censorship attempts with "so what? if you don't like what they have to say don't talk to them."

I swear, this bizarre need to round all the sharp corners in life is ironically going to be the death of us all.

 

[Colon capital V]

That said, freedom of speech does not mean freedom of consequence.

"What do you mean I got threadbanned for saying why I should be able to fuck children? Tch, so much for 'Freeze Peach...'"

 

[AgendaPoster]

I don't believe in freedom of expression, I think it's at best a naïve, idealistic concept, and at worst it is used by nefarious forces to deconstruct societal norms from the left.
Read Repressive Tolerance.

 

[Da Grim Reaper]

Freedom of speech can be bought, or sold.
Take that as you will.

 

[PipTheAlchemist]

Anything that isn't hate speech, of course. I'm not some kind of bigot, unlike most of you

 

[Kermit Jizz]

The last couple years I've completely abandoned the idea of free speech, at least in practice. It's a nice ideal and all that, but I've realized you can't allow certain ideas free propagation because most people are fucking stupid and will buy into subversive bullshit if you give them the chance. Free speech is also an inherently weak idea, it by definition cannot defend itself. What does the free speech advocate say to the person claiming speech kills people? "Uh-uh s-sir, I r-respectfully disagree UwU but I defend your UwU right to say I d-deserve to be g-genocided for my b-beliefs UwU". It's untenable position that your enemies will take advantage of, just like every other soft idealistic fantasy.

Never allow your opposition any speech, there is no sensible reason to do so. Someone advocating trooning out children for example, should be locked away for life. Someone saying our culture is evil and needs to be dismantled should be thrown into a deep pit and forgotten. People claiming pedophilia is a legitimate sexuality, rev up the woodchippers. Etc etc you get the idea.

 

[SSj_Ness (Yiffed)]

Free speech absolutism doesn't exist anywhere, it never has and never will, nor should it; only the scope and nature of the restrictions will vary by time and place, but some always exist. It boils down to what is considered acceptable and good, and unacceptable and bad.

With that in mind, free speech (insofar as it does exist) operates within the boundaries of whatever is the dominant culture and norms. In America the government usually may not punish you, at least currently (in theory they're not supposed to, but...), though they don't even need to for the restrictions to be in effect. That's why you'll often hear smug supporters of leftist speech policing parrot "freedom of speech doesn't mean freedom of consequences", they know it works and getting the government to do their bidding is just icing on the cake.

The severity and degree of the consequences and enforcement depend on several factors, and whether or not the government is behaving in accordance with the whims of dominant the cultural establishment, as we sort of see brewing now. Assuming government is off the table, you still have every institution crushing you for wrongthink.

Put it this way. 100 years ago you could say nigger freely because it was culturally acceptable, now it's been taboo for decades and even a lowly burger flipper will lose his job if he so much as utters it. At this rate on the current trajectory we're on, 100 years from now that's how it'll be for the word tranny (or using the "wrong" pronouns, etc), if not much sooner. That's because libtards are shaping the culture and limits of free speech.

As I alluded to, government is basically in bed with woke culture, working to further it and enforce its ideology. That just makes it worse and harder to deal with, plus spreads it faster.

A neutral culture of tolerance for every behavior and for all ideas isn't viable nor good. I don't blame libtards for their power grab, it's what conservatives should have done, and must do to regain normalcy. In order for that to happen and last it's necessary to establish our own limits on bad speech in order to protect good speech.

TLDR; No such thing as free speech, just whatever the culture deems good and allows, which currently is libtard shit, and probably will be for a long time because cuckservatives are weak faggots.

 

[A-Stump]

Long-ass post

Freedom of speech is guaranteeing you aren't imprisoned for exercising it. You can still go out and yell nigger to your hearts content, use a bullhorn to tell faggots and trannies they're going to Hell, and you (shouldn't) go to prison for it.

Punishments these days are a consequence of a more digitized state of being. Run an online shop and like calling people shitskins? There go your payment processors. Manage a website where the users make fun of retards? There goes your hosting.

The modern man must capitulate to their corporate interests or pay the consequences. Your freedoms stop where the user agreements begin.

 

[SSj_Ness (Yiffed)]

Freedom of speech is guaranteeing you aren't imprisoned for exercising it. You can still go out and yell nigger to your hearts content, use a bullhorn to tell faggots and trannies they're going to Hell, and you (shouldn't) go to prison for it.

The First Amendment allegedly prevents the government from interfering with your speech, but they directly work with big tech in censoring people currently, so that's crumbling as that blatantly constitutes an abridgment of free speech. It's not just supposed to protect us from being jailed, they're not supposed to put their hands over our mouths.

You can't yell nigger outside to your heart's content. Try it and report back with footage. I guarantee you the police will selectively enforce local ordinances where they otherwise wouldn't in order to impede you. Maybe--for now, at least presumably in most areas--you can get away with anti-LGBT sentiments but for how long? Pretending things aren't trending toward that being banned too is just delusional.

They're constantly trying to push "hate speech" restrictions into law, and it's mostly failed for now, but "hate crime" is the precedent they're setting for punishing "hate".

Punishments these days are a consequence of a more digitized state of being. Run an online shop and like calling people shitskins? There go your payment processors. Manage a website where the users make fun of retards? There goes your hosting.

The modern man must capitulate to their corporate interests or pay the consequences.

Yes, support transing the kids and wear the rainbow pin, or lose it all. How very good and free a nation.

Your freedoms stop where the user agreements begin.

The user agreement is not the word of God. I'd like to see one argument for not restricting what user agreements can pertain to and how far they can reach. Giving them carte blanche, why should we?

You didn't actually refute a thing I said. Is this incorrect, if so then how and why:

No such thing as free speech, just whatever the culture deems good and allows, which currently is libtard shit, and probably will be for a long time because cuckservatives are weak faggots.

 

[A-Stump]

Another long-ass post

I don't know what shithole you live in but you can say whatever you want where I live and not go to jail for it. Well. Not the obvious stuff like threatening the president but you get what I mean.

You also have this undercurrent in your post where it's like you seem to believe it's what I personally want? No. The facts are what they are. Corporations can run their ship however they see fit. It's the old sly underhanded way to circumvent the interests of an individual. The government can't tell you not to say nigger, but Google can. What does Google run? A lot of shit.

You can be a shitsmeared hermit living in a shack to your hearts content and say nigger faggot all you want, the police can't do a thing about it. You can be the same shitsmeared hermit but as soon as you decide to take your nigger faggoting online, you've lost your rights. Do I like it? No. But the the corporate entities that run shit have everyone by the short hairs.

Consider being online as to being in a store. You can be out on the sidewalk with no shoes or shirt on and that's fine. Enter a place of business that requires it? They can kick you out. Your freedoms stop in their place of business.

 

[SSj_Ness (Yiffed)]

I don't know what shithole you live in but you can say whatever you want where I live and not go to jail for it. Well. Not the obvious stuff like threatening the president but you get what I mean.

It's an assertion I doubt will hold water. In practice I don't believe it will be allowed, but someone is free to test it. Results may vary, at least.

You also have this undercurrent in your post where it's like you seem to believe it's what I personally want? No. The facts are what they are. Corporations can run their ship however they see fit. It's the old sly underhanded way to circumvent the interests of an individual. The government can't tell you not to say nigger, but Google can. What does Google run? A lot of shit.

Corporations have all kind of restrictions and regulations, why is it we're content with letting big tech be digital tyrants? I have never seen a good argument for not changing that.

You can be a shitsmeared hermit living in a shack to your hearts content and say nigger faggot all you want, the police can't do a thing about it. You can be the same shitsmeared hermit but as soon as you decide to take your nigger faggoting online, you've lost your rights. Do I like it? No. But the the corporate entities that run shit have everyone by the short hairs.

Why do we just take that for granted? A phone service provider currently can't censor you or cut service because they don't like your speech, why shouldn't we establish that same limiting principle for Internet service providers? Throwing our hands up in the air seems dumb.

Consider being online as to being in a store. You can be out on the sidewalk with no shoes or shirt on and that's fine. Enter a place of business that requires it? They can kick you out. Your freedoms stop in their place of business.

Can I be outside with no shirt on if I'm a woman? How about if it's no shirt, no shoes, no jab/rainbow flag, no service? Can they say no white skin no service?

Let's be real. We just accept the inconsistencies, some we support and others not so much. That doesn't mean how things are is fine, or how they're trending is fine. I see no reason we shouldn't leverage political power to change things how we want them to be.

 

[Mr. Brown]

If you're not threatening people or inciting people it's allowed, including saying NIGGER any time I want.

 

[Yezidi Fan Club]

We should rebrand "free speech" as "expensive speech" so young people have more of an inkling of what to expect from their local area network of virtue signallers.

 

[draggs]

I don't know what shithole you live in but you can say whatever you want where I live and not go to jail for it. Well. Not the obvious stuff like threatening the president but you get what I mean.

You also have this undercurrent in your post where it's like you seem to believe it's what I personally want? No. The facts are what they are. Corporations can run their ship however they see fit. It's the old sly underhanded way to circumvent the interests of an individual. The government can't tell you not to say nigger, but Google can. What does Google run? A lot of shit.

You can be a shitsmeared hermit living in a shack to your hearts content and say nigger faggot all you want, the police can't do a thing about it. You can be the same shitsmeared hermit but as soon as you decide to take your nigger faggoting online, you've lost your rights. Do I like it? No. But the the corporate entities that run shit have everyone by the short hairs.

Consider being online as to being in a store. You can be out on the sidewalk with no shoes or shirt on and that's fine. Enter a place of business that requires it? They can kick you out. Your freedoms stop in their place of business.

Not anymore

 

[Wormy]

I'd go with the OP's statement, except some mouthbreathers think that "censorship" is when people say they're not interested in hearing their retarded babbling.

 

[LeChampion1992]

Honestly I'm not hopeful on the future of free speech. I very much fear that we will see more hate speech and misinformation laws which will inevitably be abused by the powers that be. You will see Europe's very liberal American lite generation disappear as the continent elites become more corrupt and the income inequality gets worse.

In the 1990s the UK/Canada/and Austrian/NZ had no hate speech laws, you could say what you want online, you didn't have the police spying on you unless you were actually under a investigation and they would publicly let you know. Now days you have mom's in the anglosphere being arrested because they either attended a protest/organized one or decided to say they don't think trans women are women.

At the current rate it seems like the US seems to be one of the few bastions of sanity when it comes to their laws. But you can see in the progressive worldview that infects much of the western world I am less hopeful.

If anything I'm worried that future generations will never understand that a man should be allowed to speak his peace without fear of death or persecution.

 

[std::string]

I'd go with the OP's statement, except some mouthbreathers think that "censorship" is when people say they're not interested in hearing their retarded babbling.

Freedom of speech is when people are allowed to say that Joe Biden is a pedophile that sucks the brains out of the tunnel children in NYC and I can call them retarded.

This is pretty much the foundation of liberalism. You're free to hold whatever views you want, even if they're very stupid.