This is what's so weird to me about it all. The show feels almost paradoxical in nature as I said before. The show feels like it wants to have this deep FNAF tier lore with all this speculation and hidden background details but then in the same breath goes "Who cares about the lore?! Just laugh at the funny robots saying funny memes!" it's... so strange to me.
If you call Lorefagging wanting actually good writing then yes I am definitely lorefagging.
The show constantly fails to give the viewer much reason to care about the characters or the world itself and thus there aren't really any stakes for us to care about.
In fact a lot of the show commits the cardinal writing sin of simply going "Then this happens, and then this happens!" when it's supposed to go "This happens. But! Therefore, this happens."
Honestly though again my biggest gripe is we're not really given much reason to care about the characters, we still barely know them or their past beyond Uzi. Everything else is just fragmented bits and pieces.
Though maybe that's intentional. Maybe they're gonna do this the Bethesda way, we'll make the fans put our broken character writing back together for us!
Murder Drones is what happens when the writer(s) gives no fucks about making characters beyond their most basic traits and how funny they can make them, this is even worse because this wasn't a mistake, this was a deliberate choice specifically because it appealed to the tastes of the showrunner
They can but I highly doubt they want to, hence series finale, yea they can but why would they? all the rewrites and stuff leads me to believe this show just had a messy behind the scenes and they likely want to be done with it and focus everything on TADC
I do think working on the creative side of this was just painful for the production team, the sheer amount of stuff that got crammed in 7 episodes and how disjointed it feels was the biggest reason, and with TADC around to cover their budgets was the straw that made them think, "you know what? , maybe this isnt worth it"
Unresolved questions are a staple of cosmic horror but so is good writing, which murder drones doesn't have and it comes off as really bad
A good writer can get away with either but this doesn't have that at all, i don't even think it's lorefagging because what else can one do for this show? especially when said show throws away everything else in exchange for being lore driven
this is easily one of its biggest mistakes, second only to bad tonal issues, trying to make a comprehensive lore in an 8 episode show just does not work, like at all, this makes me think if there really was a season 2 planned to give out more lore but nobody wanted it continue, maybe not even Liam himself once he realized how bad it got
this makes me think if there really was a season 2 planned to give out more lore but nobody wanted it continue, maybe not even Liam himself once he realized how bad it got
Honestly given everything we've heard so far this sounds likely what happened.
I feel like Liam was overly ambitious or something but then either he quickly realized or someone at GLITCH told him there's no way they could meet his expectations with their budget so the show was constantly scaled back until we ended up with this.
Combo that with Liam's seeming general inexperience as a writer and you get this.
Again, I feel like Liam is one of those creatives where he needs someone else to tell him "No." or filter his ideas to end up with something coherent on the other side. Some creatives are just like that.
Again, take George Lucas or Hideo Kojima for instance. Most of their best work is when other people were around to keep them grounded and tell them "No, that's fucking retarded. How about this instead?" basically, he's a great idea guy but unfortunately not quite skilled enough to refine those ideas into something more presentable to an audience.
Combo all of this with the fact that TADC absolutely exploded in popularity in comparison to Murder Drones and the company likely needing to better distribute its budget to continue working on its current projects and I can see why they likely decided to end things. Maybe even Liam himself saw the writing on the wall especially when people started praising a fan made episode for having better writing than the official series and decided "Alright fine. After this, it's over." but that's just pure speculation on my part.
I mean if I were in his shoes I'd feel pretty ashamed too that some random faggots in their mom's basement with no budget were able to outdo me with an indie animation company with actual money to utilize at my disposal.
Thank god there isn't going to be a second season. I have absolutely zero faith in the writers to actually wrap things up instead of just adding more "lore" and characters to bait the audience into thinking the show is still interesting.
Maybe Murder Drones had a chance to get a second season, but considering how popular Digital Circus in comparison (Merch announcements and trailers get more views that actual episodes of Murder Drones LMAO) while considering how much easier Digital Circus is to animate (Most likely) and the fact that there are plans for another show make producing another season of Murder Drones a completely nonsensical idea.
Thank god there isn't going to be a second season. I have absolutely zero faith in the writers to actually wrap things up instead of just adding more "lore" and characters to bait the audience into thinking the show is still interesting.
Maybe Murder Drones had a chance to get a second season, but considering how popular Digital Circus in comparison (Merch announcements and trailers get more views that actual episodes of Murder Drones LMAO) while considering how much easier Digital Circus is to animate (Most likely) and the fact that there are plans for another show make producing another season of Murder Drones a completely nonsensical idea.
I do genuinely wonder how much budget played a part in what happened to the show. I wonder how different things would've been if they went with a less expensive art style like TADC?
Ah well, we'll never know I suppose. But I do think Glitch's budget played a part in what has happened. Again, I recall hearing somewhere they mentioned one episode costs a pretty hefty sum to create.
EDIT: I found the actual amount they said it ranged from somewhere between $200,000 to $250,000 on average.
Liam Vicker's farewell message for this series, any thoughts or opinions?
One thing to note here that he always refers to his work as "silly spooky" stuff, does this suggest that he doesn't really take it as seriously as some people have done?
Edit: also this implies he is continuing to make another series at some point, I'm interested to see where that one goes
Liam Vicker's farewell message for this series, any thoughts or opinions?
One thing to note here that he always refers to his work as "silly spooky" stuff, does this suggest that he doesn't really take it as seriously as some people have done?
Edit: also this implies he is continuing to make another series at some point, I'm interested to see where that one goes
I watched his two other projects (Internecion Cube and Cliffside) and yeah, he really doesn't take his writing serious and loves to insert horror monsters (mainly monster girls) into his series.
I actually slightly enjoyed his writing in the mentioned projects, and they really show that MD was way too ambitious for him. His writing style doesn't work in a lore-heavy cramped fest, and makes me doubt if he truly means when he says "(MD is) the story I wanted to tell in 8 episodes". Sometimes I wonder if he was forced to make MD complex for the sake of being complex by a higher-up on GLITCH or if he really just thought it would be a good idea to make the show's plot bad on purpose.
Also his "LOSERS, BITE ME > : (" kinda feels like a cheeky remark towards criticism MD has gotten, but that's probably a stretch. A funny catchphrase can't be that bad right?
Overall, I'm actually a bit sad seeing this whole ride ending. I wouldn't have faith in season 2 like Lanky said, but now I always gonna look at this show and be like "Man, what if it was good?". It had everything to work: The characters designs were awesome, the setting was great, the premise at the Pilot seemed amazing, the soundtrack was good, the fight scenes were passable, but I assume that's budget constraints for that one....
Yet... it all just feels... unfinished... which leaves a very bittersweet taste in my mouth... in a depressing way.
Like to clear things up a bit more, at some point apparently Liam said one of his big inspirations for the series was Resident Evil. But the more I think about it the more I don't see it.
I think it's part of why people were expecting JCJenson to play more of a role in the story instead of just being forgotten about.
I always figured the reveal was going to be something like as others had theorized JCJenson was basically just Umbrella in space and it was going to turn out they did occult shit in the background. Maybe it's why the company was so rich and powerful, a sort've deal with the devil or something and perhaps the Solver is said devil collecting its due? Especially with the occasional mention in the series of human hubris and such. Or perhaps the Solver was the result of the company playing with things it didn't understand, hence why it feels even weirder that they had seemingly no hand in creating the DDs. Also why specifically can it infect JCJenson drones but nothing else? You see my problem here? Again, I would not be surprised if this was all caused by one of those alleged rewrites. I cannot be convinced otherwise that JCJenson wasn't going to play some kind of role in the story beyond just a background element like it is now.
Come to think of it, Uzi's entire speech at the opening of the series is really weird now knowing that JCJenson might have been destroyed actually and had nothing to do with the DDs attacking them... I mean I guess you could just theorize it was some crack theory the worker drones came up with that everyone ran with but it's still really odd. And Uzi confirms in the pilot too that the DDs do not talk to the worker drones so they couldn't have heard it from them. Uzi didn't even know they could talk prior. It's just... confusing.
Overall though I guess this is just born from expecting something actually smart being written by the funny monster girl man known as Liam.
Like to clear things up a bit more, at some point apparently Liam said one of his big inspirations for the series was Resident Evil. But the more I think about it the more I don't see it.
I think it's part of why people were expecting JCJenson to play more of a role in the story instead of just being forgotten about.
I always figured the reveal was going to be something like as others had theorized JCJenson was basically just Umbrella in space and it was going to turn out they did occult shit in the background. Maybe it's why the company was so rich and powerful, a sort've deal with the devil or something and perhaps the Solver is said devil collecting its due? Especially with the occasional mention in the series of human hubris and such. Or perhaps the Solver was the result of the company playing with things it didn't understand, hence why it feels even weirder that they had seemingly no hand in creating the DDs. Also why specifically can it infect JCJenson drones but nothing else? You see my problem here? Again, I would not be surprised if this was all caused by one of those alleged rewrites. I cannot be convinced otherwise that JCJenson wasn't going to play some kind of role in the story beyond just a background element like it is now.
Come to think of it, Uzi's entire speech at the opening of the series is really weird now knowing that JCJenson might have been destroyed actually and had nothing to do with the DDs attacking them... I mean I guess you could just theorize it was some crack theory the worker drones came up with that everyone ran with but it's still really odd. And Uzi confirms in the pilot too that the DDs do not talk to the worker drones so they couldn't have heard it from them. Uzi didn't even know they could talk prior. It's just... confusing.
Overall though I guess this is just born from expecting something actually smart being written by the funny monster girl man known as Liam.
I think JcJenson being used as the cover for the solver all along was planned from the start, or at least was under its influence, and we may have gotten more lore about that company as to how was taken over, but hey, 8 episodes was a really hard limiting factor for a lore-driven show
I actually didn't realize before the discord was something you had to pay money to access.
Now, I know kids can just steal mommy's credit card, but I do think that's a pretty decent filter.
Not saying there still won't be retards and schizos but you'd be surprised how much just asking for a bit of cash for access can do.
That being said I would never pay money to join a discord server purely on principle. So hopefully some faggot from the inside leaks things for us.
Can't back up this claim but I saw another person claiming that apparently due to the series changing course, specifically the slice of life aspects being removed that the plot for Season 2 was moved back to Season 1 instead and you know what? That would actually explain so fucking much.
Especially if that so called "Slice of life" content was going to be how we got to know the characters better before the serious stuff started happening in what I assume was originally meant to be season 2. So this is just making my theory that they basically fast tracked the entire series seem more likely.
Can't back up this claim but I saw another person claiming that apparently due to the series changing course, specifically the slice of life aspects being removed that the plot for Season 2 was moved back to Season 1 instead and you know what? That would actually explain so fucking much.
Especially if that so called "Slice of life" content was going to be how we got to know the characters better before the serious stuff started happening in what I assume was originally meant to be season 2. So this is just making my theory that they basically fast tracked the entire series seem more likely.
I could see how it happened, I assume it would have been Glitch's decision since it's their money and resources most likely.
Could be originally Liam wanted a much longer lasting show but then Glitch looked at their budget and said "Yeah sorry, 8 episodes is all you're getting buddy. Also the funny circus show is making us way more cash and costs way less to produce so you're shit out of luck."
"But I had so much story and character development planned!"
One thing to note here that he always refers to his work as "silly spooky" stuff, does this suggest that he doesn't really take it as seriously as some people have done?
Then I'm not entirely sure he understands what he's even writing then regardless.
Again, I'm really not sure how we were supposed to take V's sacrifice with the sad character reactions and dramatic music as anything other than not a joke.
And it looks like not taking it seriously didn't bold too well considering it's ending this month
meanwhile the other show, digital circus from what i've seen of the pilot, doesn't seem to take itself that seriously and yet it's blowing MD out of the water in view count, merch sales, and probably more
And it looks like not taking it seriously didn't bold too well considering it's ending this month
meanwhile the other show, digital circus from what i've seen of the pilot, doesn't seem to take itself that seriously and yet it's blowing MD out of the water in view count, merch sales, and probably more
Well I myself can't exactly judge it yet because we're only on episode 2 and haven't gotten into the nitty gritty details of the plot itself yet.
But given what we saw in Episode 2 it at least understands how and when to take itself seriously unlike Murder Drones.
And so far with what little we've seen the plot seems a bit more coherent as well, but again I'll have to know more before I can definitely make that judgement, but suffice to say it's not looking good for MD by comparison.
Unless this finale somehow BTFO's me completely and somehow explains everything in a satisfying manner at the last second which is honestly just coping to expect by this point, but you never know. I feel like if anything they're probably just going to completely ignore any loose ends. But that's me being cynical. What's probably going to happen is I'm expecting some kind of rushed hamfisted lore dump to try and explain many of the things "wrong" with the series to try and salvage this asinine plotline before the end.
So I learned something interesting today. A friend of mine informed me that apparently on Tumblr there was some investigation into the Q&A they hosted during GlitchX.
Now this is a nothingburger, saying it up front if you were expecting something spicy prepare to be disappointed but I thought it was humorous so I'm posting it anyway.
Apparently despite them claiming to be taking questions from the chat during the stream the questions were faked.
Basically someone went through the stream and paid attention to people talking in the chat and the questions themselves and noticed discrepancies between them.
Basically, questions that were never asked, or questions asked by people who weren't even in the chat.
Though I guess it does somewhat call into question what else are they willing to fake?
