Global Depression 2022 - Time to do the Breadline Boogaloo!

Who is going to get hit the hardest?

  • North America

  • South America

  • Asia

  • Europe

  • Australia

  • Africa

  • The Middle East

  • Everyone's fucked

  • Nothing will happen


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We won't, the current strategy is moving from China to even cheaper labor in poorer countries like Vietnam and India.

Some strategic manufacturing is being brought back, like chip foundries, but the bulk of what left after reaganomics and NAFTA will never return.
Being a welder, ear to the ground and all that, you're half right. Some is going to vietnam and india, true. Much is coming back home. For me, there are thousands of jobs out there, ready for the picking. And its only growing. That's just welding. New mines are opening for things like Lithium, and make no mistake, if they run into things like iron and copper, they sell that shit. That's more jobs that need more mills to process it. It's not going to happen overnight. Just as offshoring took decades, bringing things back will take decades. But I feel it, being in my line of work.
 
One reason people aren't as bad off yet is because consumer debt is through the roof. So people are taking on more debt to maintain lifestyles they can't afford.
This frustrates me a bit. Everyone is bitching about inflation (rightfully so) but then their reaction to it is spend more money and go deeper into debt? That helps drive inflation. Companies wouldn’t get away with such large price increases on things if consumers weren’t willing to pay up for it. The supply chain issues thing is largely gone now, and companies are earning record profits.

But of course there are enough people in the US that behave like Chris Chan and simply must have their toys NOW NOW NOW.
 
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I don't get your comparison, how is admitting the economy is in bad shape remotely deflection? Look at the prices of everything, the lawlessness where you have people stealing from stores in broad daylight and cities where people defecate and leave garbage everywhere. If you ignore a problem guess fucking what? It gets worse which is happening in real time. You're being boiled like a frog because you have this hubris that the US will always be on top.

As for your debt argument, no offense but you're a retard to view it like that. "Debt doesn't matter?" Are you high? Know what the top export of the US is? Bonds which is the selling US debt. If the faith in the US to pay back that debt is gone then no one will want to buy bonds. If the Government can't sell bonds then they have no money to pay for things like welfare and social secruity. The US economy boils down to paying debt with more debt once foreign countries get fed up it falls apart.
 
That means nothing, you see the same shit among some SEA and LATAM countries. Getting paid in Kenyan shillings is pointless because like most african countries Kenya has to import anything above raw materials, their industry its very basic. If you convert debt in US dollars to kenyan shillings you're getting funny money over hard currency, funny money that can't buy anything not made in Kenya since nobody but the locals take kenyan shillings.

The real threat are G20 countries trading with China using the yuan, that's the point of no return for our currency.
But they are switching to Yuan if they can, also do not discount the difficulty of acquiring US Dollars for these economy, that can have a stifling effect on their trade, using local currency between Uganda and Kenya would immediately see a boost in trade as an artificial barrier is gone. There is absolutely zero benefit for Kenya and Uganda to trade using US Dollars, not a single one. The more purpose and usage you give to your currency the more stable and valuable it becomes.
 
the lawlessness where you have people stealing from stores in broad daylight and cities where people defecate and leave garbage everywhere.
That's entirely a legal issue caused by idiot far-left legislators who are so anti-cop and anti-business that they will let a city burn to the ground rather than admit you need cops to protect the people the businesses to give them jobs.

If you steal $900 of merch in Caracas you're dead, they are gonna shot you for stealing $10. Caracas isn't a madmax-tier shithole because hobos are stealing iPhones from stores, that's what you don't get of how different the situation is.
you have this hubris that the US will always be on top.
Where did I said that? I been saying for a while we're on a death spiral, this is the fall of the empire and even if we get a "Neo" United States that would be decades if not centuries down the line like it happened to most returning empires in the past.
"Debt doesn't matter?" Are you high?
Like I said it doesn't matter as long as you keep paying it back, the Dutch are still paying loans they took in the 1600's to make new canals and the trade from those canals is paying for the debt.

The real problem is not the debt we're taking but what we're doing with the money now, which is not building new infrastructure and industries but burn it in an open fire.
If the faith in the US to pay back that debt is gone then no one will want to buy bonds.
Yeah duh, that's how this works, and that faith exists because so far we always pay in time.

Default once and that faith is gone, also the low interest rates. Keep defaulting and America becomes Argentina, a deadbeat country.
once foreign countries get fed up it falls apart.
Again yeah that's how this works, but they'll only get fed up if you stop paying, they will keep loaning to you because even if the returns are low we're a sure bet so far, and it gives them political leverage while loaning to say Pakistan gives them nothing besides the opportunity of maybe worming their way into local crony capitalism.
using local currency between Uganda and Kenya would immediately see a boost in trade as an artificial barrier is gone.
Trade in what? what products does one side has that the other wants? can those products then be re-exported for hard currency needed to buy other products neither of them produces?

Trading in local currencies works better for developed countries because for example a French company is likely to find a German supplier that has the same high-tech products a British supplier has, and that's why before the euro a lot of inter-european commerce was done in local currencies. But these african countries you've to understand most of them import even simple things like gauze, gauze! something that any half asses textiles company can make but they have to import that. And if Uganda wanted to make their own gauze they can't import the machinery from Kenya because its not made there but in countries that only take dollars or euros, maybe yuan if you buy from a Chinese supplier.

Also consider that Ugandans near the border probably already cross over to Kenya to buy whatever is cheaper there and pay with their currency or convert it to kenyan shillings thus bypassing the dollar, but the fact that this stays small scale shows the limitations of inter-african trade.
The more purpose and usage you give to your currency the more stable and valuable it becomes.
What makes a strong currency nowadays is how much backing it has, how careful you're of not just printing money whenever you need to cover for your budgetary issues, if you pay your debts on time, and how trustworthy you are.

Countries with high inflation are also countries that have deep corruption issues, where trade is curtailed by red tape and bureaucracy, where part of the territory are out of control from the central authority and taken over by rebels or criminals.
 
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So we can at least agree that US cities have declined correct? The only reason people aren't noticing how bad it's getting is because of the size of the US and how isolated you can be from it. Take a look at how LA operates right now. It isn't that different from a third-world shithole and it won't take long for it to get there either. Even just 10 years ago the cities weren't that bad and it's still declining.

You clearly aren't getting how bonds work, they aren't some monthly payment to one entity. A bond is esstinally an IOU it isn't a mortgage that is gradually paid off. If a country like China thinks the US is a sinking ship they just cash in their bonds and the US would be forced to pay the bond. China owns nearly a trillion in US bonds. Since the US doesn't have the cash and would lose a major buyer of bonds the money would have to be printed causing inflation. So to claim debt doesn't matter when the entire US economy is based around debt is fucking moronic.
 
So we can at least agree that US cities have declined correct?
Again they are in decline because of bad policy, its not like Detroit since the 80's when the decline was almost exclusively due to mass deindustrialization, LA isn't a shithole because all movie studios and related companies decided to pack up and leave, its a shithole because of bad policy that could be reverted overnight if it wasn't because the political cost of doing so its higher than the political cost of letting things to decay even further.

We already went thru a similar situation in cities like NYC during the 60's which is what caused the 'white flight' neolibs still cry about, and things didn't change until the early 90's when Giuliani became mayor and started a tough on crime policy. People forget NYC was a warzone during the 70's and a good chunk of the 80's too, that's why real estate was dirt cheap back then.
The only reason people aren't noticing how bad it's getting is because of the size of the US and how isolated you can be from it.
Oh they are noticing they just aren't talking about it, just packing their stuff and leaving, again same as the 60's.
China thinks the US is a sinking ship they just cash in their bonds and the US would be forced to pay the bond.
Which is why they have those bonds, tho using them will be like MAD because if our economy tanks we're dragging them down with us, its a completely different situation from the USSR which for example was practically unaffected by the 1929 crash as their economy was completely decoupled from the west, unlike Japan which got wrecked by it.
 
Again they are in decline because of bad policy, its not like Detroit since the 80's when the decline was almost exclusively due to mass deindustrialization, LA isn't a shithole because all movie studios and related companies decided to pack up and leave, its a shithole because of bad policy that could be reverted overnight if it wasn't because the political cost of doing so its higher than the political cost of letting things to decay even further.

We already went thru a similar situation in cities like NYC during the 60's which is what caused the 'white flight' neolibs still cry about, and things didn't change until the early 90's when Giuliani became mayor and started a tough on crime policy. People forget NYC was a warzone during the 70's and a good chunk of the 80's too, that's why real estate was dirt cheap back then.

Oh they are noticing they just aren't talking about it, just packing their stuff and leaving, again same as the 60's.

Which is why they have those bonds, tho using them will be like MAD because if our economy tanks we're dragging them down with us, its a completely different situation from the USSR which for example was practically unaffected by the 1929 crash as their economy was completely decoupled from the west, unlike Japan which got wrecked by it.
The sanctions imposed on Russia destroyed trust in the dollar because they more or less weathered the storm and came out ok. This then made other nations wary of the dollar which has kick started the de-dollarization you're starting to see. The problem is that nations like China could survive the collapse of the US because their economy isn't based around debt or the value of the dollar but instead based around commodities and manufacturing which will always have value. The United States doesn't offer nearly as much when it comes to commodities or manufacturing literally our main asset is the value of the dollar.
 
The sanctions imposed on Russia destroyed trust in the dollar because they more or less weathered the storm and came out ok. This then made other nations wary of the dollar which has kick started the de-dollarization you're starting to see. The problem is that nations like China could survive the collapse of the US because their economy isn't based around debt or the value of the dollar but instead based around commodities and manufacturing which will always have value. The United States doesn't offer nearly as much when it comes to commodities or manufacturing literally our main asset is the value of the dollar.
I'm not sure that's true. Isn't China's economy entirely based on a giant real estate bubble that's going to crash outright literally any day? I seem to remember a year or so ago they had to do some pretty major bullshit in order to keep it from going thermonuclear. Involved tanks preventing people from going into the banks to get their money.
 
I'm not sure that's true. Isn't China's economy entirely based on a giant real estate bubble that's going to crash outright literally any day? I seem to remember a year or so ago they had to do some pretty major bullshit in order to keep it from going thermonuclear. Involved tanks preventing people from going into the banks to get their money.
If China's economy crashes that would be devastating for the US. If anything that would give China even more reason to cash in their bonds. The US wants China around to buy bonds to export inflation. So either way the US would be hurtin'. So the state of China's economy really doesn't matter much in this scenario because they already paid for the bonds.

80% of China's population is dirt poor and able to deal with hardship too. In the US you would have people chimping out if they couldn't buy their cheap plastic goyslop.
 
This frustrates me a bit. Everyone is bitching about inflation (rightfully so) but then their reaction to it is spend more money and go deeper into debt? That helps drive inflation. Companies wouldn’t get away with such large price increases on things if consumers weren’t willing to pay up for it. The supply chain issues thing is largely gone now, and companies are earning record profits.

But of course there are enough people in the US that behave like Chris Chan and simply must have their toys NOW NOW NOW.
Eggs and milk aren't toys, jackass.

All the survival and emergency preparedness folk are rustled and telling us all to stock up on food.
(With what money I wonder)
With what money it takes to buy cans of dehydrated Mormon Home Storage Center food.

They sell (to the general public) canned food for less than cost that is rated to last for 30 years. I calculated my caloric needs at ideal weight and it only costs $2.50 a day to eat on that with canned food. Cost $550 to buy that six month supply. I would own years of it if I had storage space.
 
Eggs and milk aren't toys, jackass
Both prices are crashing or beginning to crash, you dumb nigger.
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I said that people rightfully were mad about inflation, but the average consumer isn’t reigning in their spending as a result which also helps drive inflation.
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I said that people rightfully were mad about inflation, but the average consumer isn’t reigning in their spending as a result which also helps drive inflation.
Strange, my weekly grocery bill still only seems to be getting bigger and bigger, with fewer and fewer items.
 
Strange, my weekly grocery bill still only seems to be getting bigger and bigger, with fewer and fewer items.

It's crazy how bad the prices are. People can't avoid buying food. But maybe we should stick to the cheapest brands and not splurge on items we don't need. Although it would take a huge effort for that to have any effect. Some people just can't live without their pricey name brands and splurgey items.
 
But maybe we should stick to the cheapest brands and not splurge on items we don't need.
Not even the store brands are that much less expensive anymore. They're still a bit cheaper, but not by nearly as much as they were five years ago. And their prices are still creeping up to keep pace with the name brands too. I've noticed more of that "slight-of-hand" trickery lately too where the price stays the same, the package stays the same size, but the product volume/weight goes down just a wee bit (i.e. raising the price by selling you less for the same price).
 
Not even the store brands are that much less expensive anymore. They're still a bit cheaper, but not by nearly as much as they were five years ago. And their prices are still creeping up to keep pace with the name brands too. I've noticed more of that "slight-of-hand" trickery lately too where the price stays the same, the package stays the same size, but the product volume/weight goes down just a wee bit (i.e. raising the price by selling you less for the same price).
Cereal boxes normal width and height but so thin they barely stand up. Toothpaste boxes look normal when you open them the tube is like an inch shorter. Liquids in weirdly shaped bottles with big concave bottoms to make their capacity less but look the same sized at first glance... etc
 
Cereal boxes normal width and height but so thin they barely stand up. Toothpaste boxes look normal when you open them the tube is like an inch shorter. Liquids in weirdly shaped bottles with big concave bottoms to make their capacity less but look the same sized at first glance... etc
One thing I noticed this 4th of July was Sparkler boxes. Instead of the typical 3 boxes you get in a pack, you got six small ones. Even fireworks got gipped this year, and I payed 3 bucks per pack instead of one.
 
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