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Aside from the shit performance, is this the first modern PowerVR GPU for PCs?
The last time I used PowerVR graphics was on an old MSI x320 where Intel outsourced the GPU design to one company and outsourced the drivers to a different company, and therefore the GPU was unsupported on windows 7 despite the laptop launching just a year before 7 did. I filed a complaint to the BBB and got a full refund for the laptop from Intel on it. I'm hesitant to trust PowerVR, but it has been some time and if they're still around they must have changed.
 
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The FX 9590 Bulldozer is the perfect CPU.

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Thought experiment.

If I was to passively cool a radiator with convection, should I go with a slim radiator that has good air flow but low surface area, or go thick and have a lot of surface area and sacrifice air flow?

The dumbest shit keeps me up at night.
 
That thing is ten years old and netbooks run circles around it.
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You've linked x5-z8350 which is hella slower than the G5400T, a 35W desktop chip.


G5400T and FX-9590 are about matched in single-threaded, FX-9590 more than doubles in multi-threaded, which it better since it has 8 fake cores and uses way more power. x5-z8350 is blown away, but it made for some nice little single board computers I guess.
 
You've linked x5-z8350 which is hella slower than the G5400T, a 35W desktop chip.


G5400T and FX-9590 are about matched in single-threaded, FX-9590 more than doubles in multi-threaded, which it better since it has 8 fake cores and uses way more power. x5-z8350 is blown away, but it made for some nice little single board computers I guess.
And also Userbenchmark is fucking retarded, so Intel biased that even the Intel subreddit banned it for being biased.
 
Thought experiment.

If I was to passively cool a radiator with convection, should I go with a slim radiator that has good air flow but low surface area, or go thick and have a lot of surface area and sacrifice air flow?

The dumbest shit keeps me up at night.
You want very low fin density. Look at the Noctua NH-P1, that’s exactly how I would set this up.
A radiator that already exists which works passively is the Mo-Ra. It’s humongous, of course.
 
You want very low fin density. Look at the Noctua NH-P1, that’s exactly how I would set this up.
A radiator that already exists which works passively is the Mo-Ra. It’s humongous, of course.
I was eyeing that one. I did mean a water cooling radiator. If I had the money id do the experiment myself but since I'm married I got no more money.
 
I was eyeing that one. I did mean a water cooling radiator. If I had the money id do the experiment myself but since I'm married I got no more money.
This is the one you want. Don't forget to buy the wall mount for it also. You won't actually wall mount it, you'll lay it flat on a table or other surface, but the wall mount lifts it off the surface enough to let air move through it. You'll also want a fan-driven radiator to mount inside the computer, and quick disconnects to add the external radiator into your loop, because not being able to unplug from your enormous external radiator gets annoying fast. You can set a threshold for your fans to turn off below a certain water temperature, which will let you run the system passively when the external radiator is plugged in, and let the fans turn on when it isn't/can't keep up. If your motherboard doesn't have a thermistor header you can get an Aquacomputer Quadro, it's a fan controller which lets you set the fan curves off of its own thermistor headers.

But watercooling is an expensive hobby. Maybe reconsider.
 
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It honestly doesn't have to be, but people only want to buy the bling brands and spend $6 on a single fitting.
Using Barrow or Bykski cuts the price significantly compared to the likes of EK or alphacool, but it’s still not affordable. You’re also more likely to get aluminium parts mixed into your copper loop, which is bad. The brand names use nickel-plated copper, the cheap Chinese stuff often is sold as copper but actually is just aluminium.
 
Using Barrow or Bykski cuts the price significantly compared to the likes of EK or alphacool, but it’s still not affordable. You’re also more likely to get aluminium parts mixed into your copper loop, which is bad. The brand names use nickel-plated copper, the cheap Chinese stuff often is sold as copper but actually is just aluminium.
For blocks bykski is fine and can be had for pretty cheap during an Ali sale. $100 or less for gpu, cpu can be like $40. For fittings I'm talking even cheaper. Go grab some plastic barb fittings from the hardware store. Doesn't even have to be G1/4. Just grab some NPT shit if you're US and use plumbers tape on the threads. I even used no name knock off sharkbites and PEX for years, no issues. Super, super cheap. Pump? Fuck it, aquarium pump or really any circulation pump. This is the way things were done in ye olden days of DIY watercooling before name brands were done. The point is budget really doesn't having to keep you from the hobby if you really want to do it.

Beats paying EK $10 for a fitting. Fuck that racket.

People act like their PC needs super duper special components and shit when in reality it's a less sensitive system than what a house uses for water.
 
So, does anyone have any experience with used 3090s? I've been considering picking one up given that, on the used market, they are probably the cheapest way to get 24gb of vram and CUDA. While I generally don't have an issue with used cards, I know that Nvidia fucked up with the memory module cooling, and given that this was the era of crypto mining, which would stress the already hot GDDR6X the most with memory overclocking, I would be concerned about its longevity. Did any AIB designs fix it? Or am I stuck looking for a 3090 Ti which fixed the problem?
 
So, does anyone have any experience with used 3090s? I've been considering picking one up given that, on the used market, they are probably the cheapest way to get 24gb of vram and CUDA. While I generally don't have an issue with used cards, I know that Nvidia fucked up with the memory module cooling, and given that this was the era of crypto mining, which would stress the already hot GDDR6X the most with memory overclocking, I would be concerned about its longevity. Did any AIB designs fix it? Or am I stuck looking for a 3090 Ti which fixed the problem?
What is your use case for the 24GB VRAM? You mentioned it so it must be important to you.
 
What is your use case for the 24GB VRAM? You mentioned it so it must be important to you.
Among other things DL projects, I have access to good hardware for research but not for personal use. 24GB is a bit overkill but I would prefer to have too much than too little.
 
Use a Lambda instance. It's more cost efficient and they are just better machines. Trying to keep up with VRAM requirements using local hardware is a crap shoot. Nvidia has made it abundantly clear that high VRAM is premium and only for their most expensive cards.
If you must have an onsite card for small models. Bang for buck I would recommend a 3060 12GB or 3080 12GB. If you don't care about tensor cores, maybe check out the Tesla p40. For the uninitiated it's a Titan XD with no video outputs and 24GB VRAM. Only problem is it's slower than a 3060 and requires fan and PSU mods that usually make it take up 2 extra Pcie slots or extra room in the front. It will still come in at around the price of a 3060 though.
 
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