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Yup, the prices across the board are whack. So many people caught up in how great of a "value" the new cards are when compared to RTX 2000 series that was already a horrendously bad value.

I remember when I used to think spending $300 on a GPU was a shit ton....now that's becoming the entry level. Meanwhile, entry level cpus (new) can still be had for $100-$150. Why are so many people okay with this?
 
I don't know why people are fine with it, especially in the budget and mid-range. The value war has quickly shifted towards consoles with the XBox and their cheap subscription plans. CPU prices are starting to get like this too, though. Zen 3 price went up, there were basically no good CPU deals this Black Friday unlike previous years with some huge deals.
 
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Yup, the prices across the board are whack. So many people caught up in how great of a "value" the new cards are when compared to RTX 2000 series that was already a horrendously bad value.

I remember when I used to think spending $300 on a GPU was a shit ton....now that's becoming the entry level. Meanwhile, entry level cpus (new) can still be had for $100-$150. Why are so many people okay with this?
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Consoomers will let daddy jensen do whatever he wants to them as long as it means 6 more fps in the newest 300 GB ubisoft bug farm.
 
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darkwingosonichugorl said:
I don't know why people are fine with it, especially in the budget and mid-range. The value war has quickly shifted towards consoles with the XBox and their cheap subscription plans. CPU prices are starting to get like this too, though. Zen 3 price went up, there were basically no good CPU deals this Black Friday unlike previous years with some huge deals.
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There were a few good deals. 10100 for $99 and 10400 for $150 both work great when paired with something like a Rx 580 (score one used for like $120). Budget AMD is nowhere to be seen in stock. 3100, 3300x, 3600? lol, good luck. My brother would have loved to built an APU system around one of the 4000 series, but can't find those outside of places like aliexpress second hand.

I love to steer people towards Ryzen....but I honestly couldn't this time around.
 
I picked up a AMD 590 card for pretty cheap (like, under a $100) new in the box to replace an old one about 5 years old.

Is there any reason to look at upgrading it in the near future? About the most stress thing I play is FO4 or Skyrim with 2K texture mods.

I'm not really down with throwing $1000 at a new video card when I could buy a washer-dryer set or replace the transmission in my truck for the same price.

I've also got a Ryzen 5 3600 6-Core CPU. Is that going to stay pretty stable for the next year or two?

I quit really doing hardware about 20 years ago, and figured I'd ask people who know some shit.
 
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Welp, if it's any consolation,
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I've also got a Ryzen 5 3600 6-Core CPU. Is that going to stay pretty stable for the next year or two?
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Pretty much. Can't got wrong with that. Six cores and hyper-threading and pretty tasty IPC, I can't see that going wrong. I was on a Ryzen 1600 until this summer and it had no problems.
 
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Welp, if it's any consolation,


Pretty much. Can't got wrong with that. Six cores and hyper-threading and pretty tasty IPC, I can't see that going wrong. I was on a Ryzen 1600 until this summer and it had no problems.
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Thanks. What about the RX 590? How's that going to hold up?
 
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Just Some Other Guy said:
I remember when I used to think spending $300 on a GPU was a shit ton....now that's becoming the entry level. Meanwhile, entry level cpus (new) can still be had for $100-$150. Why are so many people okay with this?
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Because products don't exist in a vaccuum, and the price of an item isn't arbitrary. There's the cost of silicon, the cost to pay for the R&D, the salaries of the engineers, etc. and if they want to expand operations they need some profit.
 
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Thanks. What about the RX 590? How's that going to hold up?
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Probably pretty well at 1080p. Raytracing won't become mandatory until a couple of years in the future and that's what will really fuck all the older high-end cards. When you see new GPUs that are RT capable and priced at <$150 then you should start to worry.

Dante Alighieri said:
Because products don't exist in a vaccuum, and the price of an item isn't arbitrary. There's the cost of silicon, the cost to pay for the R&D, the salaries of the engineers, etc. and if they want to expand operations they need some profit.
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It's how they shift the model numbers and prices around that bothers me. It's hard to shake the first impression of a 60 series card being as good as the previous 80 card and that's because the 60 series used to exist at a price range suitable for the mid-end consumer, being $399 it's no longer in that price range IMO.
 
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Smaug's Smokey Hole said:
Probably pretty well at 1080p. Raytracing won't become mandatory until a couple of years in the future and that's what will really fuck all the older high-end cards. When you see new GPUs that are RT capable and priced at <$150 then you should start to worry.


It's how they shift the model numbers and prices around that bothers me. It's hard to shake the first impression of a 60 series card being as good as the previous 80 card and that's because the 60 series used to exist at a price range suitable for the mid-end consumer, being $399 it's no longer in that price range IMO.
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Pretty much. The budget gpu segment (aka most of it) now has to entirely live off used GPUs, and usually power hungry ones. Cost to make a product isn't arbitrary, but people miss the largest factor of the price: profit margin. Funny how Intel had such high "development and engineering" costs to make quad cores until Ryzen came out. Now we get fast hyperthreaded quad cores from Intel for $100.

Nvidia, and now AMD, are laughing themselves to the bank with these prices. My only hope is maybe with such powerful GPU cores and relatively stagnant requirements for 1080/60, will next gen APUs finally be able to deliver in modern titles?
 
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>Defending the rights of a corporation to price gouge
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>Prices are higher than they used to be
>This must be the work of evil greedy corporations!

Supply, demand, economics, logistics. Honestly you should be glad the prices aren't as high as they could be. With these "scalpers" showing how much demand there still is at their higher prices the manufacturers could very easily sell for a few hundred more.

But I guess in your world economics isn't real.
 
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Dante Alighieri said:
>Prices are higher than they used to be
>This must be the work of evil greedy corporations!

Supply, demand, economics, logistics. Honestly you should be glad the prices aren't as high as they could be. With these "scalpers" showing how much demand there still is at their higher prices the manufacturers could very easily sell for a few hundred more.

But I guess in your world economics isn't real.
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The argument you are making doesn’t really work on PC manufacturers because of the well-regarded history of Die-designers always fucking over fab plants and partners. For example: Nvidia really wanted TSMC to lower the cost of 7nm production for them and not for anyone else. TSMC told them to fuck off, if AMD is paying the regular price you can too. Nvidia, being the spiteful and greedy company they are, went to Samsung with the price they want, and since Samsung has no other customers, they essentially agree to the conditions.

There was a price Nvidia ultimately pays though: Ampere is fast yes, but it consumes more power, and is hotter than your average Chernobyl. I believe it’s a worse long-term value than Fermi, and should be panned for being so. But because of the the general ‘influencer’ style reviews are nowadays, flush with free flights and products, you would hardly know that Ampere is bad overall.
 
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German ProShop released some numbers on what they have ordered/received/incoming, all board partner cards. Who had the paperiest launch, AMD or Nvidia?

As of December 1st this is the total numbers for Nvidia:

RTX 3090
Ordered and Received: 1920 / 498
Confirmed incoming: 80

RTX 3080
Ordered and Received: 10490 / 1197
Confirmed incoming: 410

RTX 3070
Ordered and Received: 6096 / 1709
Confirmed incoming: 291

RTX 3060Ti
Ordered and Received: 5637 / 195
Confirmed incoming: 357

NVIDIA GeForce RTX | 3060 Ti | 3070 | 3080 | 3090 » Full overview here!

RTX 30series overview und schnelle Lieferung mit Proshop a/s
www.proshop.de www.proshop.de


AMD as of 26/11/2020 (not that fair if going by the date but I have to assume ProShop update the numbers when they have anything to update with)

RX 6800
Ordered and Received: 2213 / 100
Confirmed incoming: 13

RX 6800XT
Ordered and Received: 1909 / 25
Confirmed incoming: 9

AMD Radeon » RX 6800 | RX 6800 XT | RX 6900 XT » Full overview!

AMD Radeon RX 6000 Series overview und schnelle Lieferung mit Proshop a/s
www.proshop.de www.proshop.de


Taking a peek at how many benchmarks there are in 3DMark's database(very scientific, Steve Burke would be proud) it looks really bad for AMD with 4137 benchmarks scores for the XT and 2836 benchmarks scores for the 6800, compared to 194,163 for the 3080.
 
Smaug's Smokey Hole said:
German ProShop released some numbers on what they have ordered/received/incoming, all board partner cards. Who had the paperiest launch, AMD or Nvidia?

As of December 1st this is the total numbers for Nvidia:

RTX 3090
Ordered and Received: 1920 / 498
Confirmed incoming: 80

RTX 3080
Ordered and Received: 10490 / 1197
Confirmed incoming: 410

RTX 3070
Ordered and Received: 6096 / 1709
Confirmed incoming: 291

RTX 3060Ti
Ordered and Received: 5637 / 195
Confirmed incoming: 357

NVIDIA GeForce RTX | 3060 Ti | 3070 | 3080 | 3090 » Full overview here!

RTX 30series overview und schnelle Lieferung mit Proshop a/s
www.proshop.de www.proshop.de


AMD as of 26/11/2020 (not that fair if going by the date but I have to assume ProShop update the numbers when they have anything to update with)

RX 6800
Ordered and Received: 2213 / 100
Confirmed incoming: 13

RX 6800XT
Ordered and Received: 1909 / 25
Confirmed incoming: 9

AMD Radeon » RX 6800 | RX 6800 XT | RX 6900 XT » Full overview!

AMD Radeon RX 6000 Series overview und schnelle Lieferung mit Proshop a/s
www.proshop.de www.proshop.de


Taking a peek at how many benchmarks there are in 3DMark's database(very scientific, Steve Burke would be proud) it looks really bad for AMD with 4137 benchmarks scores for the XT and 2836 benchmarks scores for the 6800, compared to 194,163 for the 3080.
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This is embarrassing for AMD. It's like they were passed the ball three feet in front of an open goal and still managed to spoon it over the crossbar.

Here's Scan's current figures. They seem to have an ongoing stream of RTX 3000s from all the AIB makers but have to admit they have no idea when or where the next consignment of Big Navi is coming from.
 
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