GPUs & CPUs & Enthusiast hardware: Questions, Discussion and fanboy slap-fights - Nvidia & AMD & Intel - Separe but Equal. Intel rides in the back of the bus.

Fcret said:
I feel like next-gen is going to be ARM based. Sony and Microsoft want a piece of the Switch market and going to an ARM SoC would allow them to actually have compelling SKU splits - one high-powered device for gaming at home and another lower-powered device that can be played portably (with games automatically scaling performance based on hardware).

They need to start leveraging the vertical integration they can have over the hardware and software again or they're just going to continue to lose ground to PC gaming (especially with shit like the Steam Deck blowing up).
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x86 Zen + RDNA graphics is now the easy way out for the next Xbox and PlayStation, making porting to and from PCs trivial, and backwards compatibility with the current gen. Microsoft/Xbox does not mind losing ground to PC gaming, and may exit consoles entirely, as long as they can hook enough gamers on Game Pass. PS5 is supposedly outselling Xbox by about 3-to-1.

Want to see what Sony thinks of portable? PlayStation Portal. And it is technically ARM-based.

Define "Steam Deck blowing up". It might be 4-5 million units sold total between Steam Deck and its competitors like ROG Ally. Compared to 75 million or more for combined PS5 and Xbox Series X/S.
 
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Tl;dw: the new power connection for the latest Nvidia GPUs is so thick that the official installation instructions tell you to heat up the cable with a hair dryer so it can be bent without breaking and setting your PC on fire.
 
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That power connector really annoys me. We already had a power connector that would supply this much power in a slim form factor, it’s called EPS12V (the 4 and 8-pin connector your motherboard probably has two to four of at the top near the rear IO), but Nvidia just had to invent proprietary garbage that genuinely does put a dangerous amount of power through a much too small for comfort connector. It already didn’t make sense to have two almost identical 12V connectors except one was much more capable than the other, but Nvidia just had to make that three.
 
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snov said:
It already didn’t make sense to have two almost identical 12V connectors except one was much more capable than the other, but Nvidia just had to make that three.
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That's Nvidia's favorite trick, though. Take two standards and make a new, incompatible one with many terrible flaws. Works every time!
 
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How's this for a media server build? Everything except the motherboard and (optional) 2nd set of RAM is parts I'll cannibalize from my existing desktop to put into an old Lenovo ThinkServer TS440 case with a MegaRAID SAS 9240x8 card. I already got the cable adapters ordered from Aliexpress. Also the GPU is technically a OEM Dell 5700 card but there was no entry for it.
Should i fine tune the parametric filters for the motherboard?

Also would whoever buys the old motherboard be able to use the Windows 10 license associated with it? I don't really need it but i could associate it with the server in case it's useful in the future somehow.
 
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How's this for a media server build? Everything except the motherboard and (optional) 2nd set of RAM is parts I'll cannibalize from my existing desktop to put into an old Lenovo ThinkServer TS440 case with a MegaRAID SAS 9240x8 card. I already got the cable adapters ordered from Aliexpress. Also the GPU is technically a OEM Dell 5700 card but there was no entry for it.
Should i fine tune the parametric filters for the motherboard?

Also would whoever buys the old motherboard be able to use the Windows 10 license associated with it? I don't really need it but i could associate it with the server in case it's useful in the future somehow.
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For a media server, I would get an Intel GPU instead of an AMD. Most of what a media server does will be decoding and encoding video, and AMD only has hardware to do the decoding, the encoding has to happen in software. Intel does both in hardware, allowing more streams and less power use. The Arc A380 is legitimately great for thist. If the server only has a handful of users, for example you and your family, you don't even need a GPU, just get an Intel processor instead, the iGPU still has most of the quicksync features. Doesn't have to be the latest stuff either, something like a used 12400 will still have hardware AV1 decode.
 
Leaded Gasoline said:
weren't you thinking of going with an old xeon? also, what kind of media? you wont need the extra ram if this thing is only ever going to be streaming video
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At this point I'm using my current Lenovo TS430 server for home media streaming. When it runs out of drive space i have the choice of pulling the 2nd x4 hot-swap drive tray from my TS440 (with a nonfunctional motherboard) or replacing the motherboard in the new server - which would require a new CPU. While i can currently order cheap $10 bits I need (power cables for the raid, front header adapter, steel plate to convert the PSU attachment point to ATX) I don't have the budget for a full server conversion, or even a cheap partial one. I'm still undecided what route to go. One solution is to just cannibalize my old computer and use a MSI Trident 3 as my dektop - in which case I just need to buy a $130 motherboard. Another is to buy a used Lenovo motherboard that uses the existing PSU, but that's high-risk low reward. Another is to buy all the parts for a build based on an i3-12100, though that's a $375 solution. Realistically the latter one is ideal, and one i can maybe afford when I'm working again
 
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At this point I'm using my current Lenovo TS430 server for home media streaming. When it runs out of drive space i have the choice of pulling the 2nd x4 hot-swap drive tray from my TS440 (with a nonfunctional motherboard) or replacing the motherboard in the new server - which would require a new CPU. While i can currently order cheap $10 bits I need (power cables for the raid, front header adapter, steel plate to convert the PSU attachment point to ATX) I don't have the budget for a full server conversion, or even a cheap partial one. I'm still undecided what route to go. One solution is to just cannibalize my old computer and use a MSI Trident 3 as my dektop - in which case I just need to buy a $130 motherboard. Another is to buy a used Lenovo motherboard that uses the existing PSU, but that's high-risk low reward. Another is to buy all the parts for a build based on an i3-12100, though that's a $375 solution. Realistically the latter one is ideal, and one i can maybe afford when I'm working again
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can't you just buy an external hard drive while you wait for the ideal solution? i don't really understand your train of thought or why you even bothered with "server" hardware and a RAID with SAS drives for such light use
 
Leaded Gasoline said:
can't you just buy an external hard drive while you wait for the ideal solution? i don't really understand your train of thought or why you even bothered with "server" hardware and a RAID with SAS drives for such light use
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The original TS430 with one x4 hot swap bay cost me $40, and used 4tb SAS drives are significantly cheaper then SATA drives of the same capacity locally. I had purchased the TS440 for $50 because it is much much cheaper to buy the whole thing then to track down the 2nd x4 drive hot swap bay which can be used with the TS430. The TS440 borked somehow and won't boot anything, making the motherboard useless. But the chassis uses the same mount points as a normal ATX motherboard, and although the PSU is too limited to be used everything else in the chassis is good. I had just recently purchased a third drive which is 6tb (as my supplier of 4tb drives sold his entire stock to a friend but his 6tb drives were only $40) and it will be a while before I fill that and need to get a fourth drive, so I have time to figure out the new server.

Also: ✨aesthetics✨
 
Fcret said:
Most of the people I've talked to who complained about Intel socket changes being the reason why they chose AMD never actually upgrade their CPUs at all. I can only presume this is some persistent mass delusion.
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I'm one that did from a 2700x to 5600x. That was a valid selling point, especially with the 5800x3d that came at the end of the life cycle and was a perfect fit for old RAM/decent mobos.

But looking back, it was an overrated positive from people probably tired of Intel's 4-core stagnation. Most people don't need to upgrade CPUs every few years. We're at the point with CPUs improvements now where unless you're doing serious work, you can go a decade without upgrading. And if you do want an upgrade, you'll want the updated features of a new mobo.
 
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Does anyone have benchmarks for the Radeon 7700S? The Framework 16 uses it but I can't find any video game tests.
 
So a month ago I asked for build advice for a PC that I was building for a relative. Just wanted to say that it was a big hit and enjoyed building it, so thanks again for the recommendations.

Honestly it's put me in a build mood and I really want to do a new build myself. Sad thing is I can't justify it since my rig is still pretty good lol (9900k/RTX 3070). If I can avoid ebay I think I'd like to sell my 3070 for a 7700xt.
 
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Dr. Geronimo said:
So a month ago I asked for build advice for a PC that I was building for a relative. Just wanted to say that it was a big hit and enjoyed building it, so thanks again for the recommendations.

Honestly it's put me in a build mood and I really want to do a new build myself. Sad thing is I can't justify it since my rig is still pretty good lol (9900k/RTX 3070). If I can avoid ebay I think I'd like to sell my 3070 for a 7700xt.
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You can still do a rebuild where you clean everything, might be really worthwhile depending on your temperatures too..
 
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Dr. Geronimo said:
So a month ago I asked for build advice for a PC that I was building for a relative. Just wanted to say that it was a big hit and enjoyed building it, so thanks again for the recommendations.

Honestly it's put me in a build mood and I really want to do a new build myself. Sad thing is I can't justify it since my rig is still pretty good lol (9900k/RTX 3070). If I can avoid ebay I think I'd like to sell my 3070 for a 7700xt.
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I would advise you to stick with Nvidia or Intel for time being. They are leading in the AI space which is where I see most of the software landscape heading. 3080s are comparatively cheap if you grab one used. I got a 12GB one for SD and it works well enough. Cost roughly $600.
 
macrodegenerate said:
I would advise you to stick with Nvidia or Intel for time being. They are leading in the AI space which is where I see most of the software landscape heading. 3080s are comparatively cheap if you grab one used. I got a 12GB one for SD and it works well enough. Cost roughly $600.
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Problem is Nvidia hates Linux. My plan is to build a new rig in 2025 when Windows 10 dies and move to Linux full time.
 
Dr. Geronimo said:
Problem is Nvidia hates Linux. My plan is to build a new rig in 2025 when Windows 10 dies and move to Linux full time.
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Maybe 10 years ago with their laptop line. Today, Nvidia releases their latest drivers/software to be compatible with all of the most popular distros via their own network repository. I downloaded CUDA-12-3 yesterday with the latest driver and it works like a dream in Mint.

Edit:If anything in the past, I've had more issues with AMD/ATI official drivers. They used to have a lot more kernel compatibility errors for mainstream releases on their installers/runtimes.
 
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