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[The Mass Shooter Ron Soye]

RTX 4060 vs RTX 3060 12GB GPU faceoff: New versus old mainstream GPUs compared

TL;DR: The RTX 4060 slaps the 3060 around in every conceivable way despite having less VRAM. It's ahead in their Stable Diffusion tests too.

 

[WelperHelper99]

I found out that you can literally thrash a sata SSD. my Debian server that I used to download and stream media had a 1tb sata SSD that it is installed to and downloads video torrents to before moving them to storage. It would get so bogged down and unresponsive that I moved the OS to a NVMe drive which fixed the problem. You might see some thrashing with your setup.

Put your OS on one of your NVME drives you goof. You made it sound like all you SSDs are only SATA.

But dood, that eats up precious nvme space even though you can buy higher capacity drives for similar $/tb rather than buying a bunch of 1tb drives.

I'm laughing at this point at how this 500gb WD Red SATA SSD has caused a absolute mental break.

Let me do things differently lol. It's my autism build. I bought this heavy duty drive, I plan on using it. Maybe on a different build it'll be pure NVME. Not today. Also 4tb drives are 250 a pop. Fucking expensive.

 

[Just Some Other Guy]

"WD Red"

"Heavy Duty"

For real, do your thing but you're gonna get some light-moderate ribbing lol.

 

[Just Some Other Guy]

RTX 4060 vs RTX 3060 12GB GPU faceoff: New versus old mainstream GPUs compared

TL;DR: The RTX 4060 slaps the 3060 around in every conceivable way despite having less VRAM. It's ahead in their Stable Diffusion tests too.

It was never disputed. What's was always funny is that the 3060 does beat the 4060 in at least one game/scenario.

That just should not happen.

 

[WelperHelper99]

"WD Red"

"Heavy Duty"

For real, do your thing but you're gonna get some light-moderate ribbing lol.

I mean I could have gotten a WD Green lmao. Now THAT'S weak. But yes, I welcome the teasing.

 

[DeadwastePrime]

RTX 4060 vs RTX 3060 12GB GPU faceoff: New versus old mainstream GPUs compared

TL;DR: The RTX 4060 slaps the 3060 around in every conceivable way despite having less VRAM. It's ahead in their Stable Diffusion tests too.

i mean yeah its new architecture and tech in there. what were people expecting? i just want the extra vram tho

 

[The Mass Shooter Ron Soye]

It was never disputed. What's was always funny is that the 3060 does beat the 4060 in at least one game/scenario.

That just should not happen.

Putting 12 GB in that card instead of 6 GB was clearly an aberration given the 3070 8GB, 3080 10GB. I think it was a reaction to AMD including 16 GB on the RX 6800 and up, and maybe they knew about the 6700 XT 12 GB when they decided IDK. Every gen there's some VRAM decision to complain about.

 

[Susanna]

I'm laughing at this point at how this 500gb WD Red SATA SSD has caused a absolute mental break.
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Let me do things differently lol. It's my autism build. I bought this heavy duty drive, I plan on using it. Maybe on a different build it'll be pure NVME. Not today. Also 4tb drives are 250 a pop. Fucking expensive.

If you’re serious about longevity, this is the sort of drive you should be buying. Observe how it’s an NVME drive, because in reality SATA vs. NVME is only a question of how fast it can move data around, not how durable it will be. Any perceived increase in longevity only comes from how much slower it is at writing out. Because SATA is so horrendously slow, often the components used in 2.5” SSDs will be subpar, and so in reality you’re just paying for a worse product.
I’m not telling you you’re not allowed to do whatever it is you’re doing, just that your motivations are based on incorrect assumptions.

 

[Betonhaus]

Putting 12 GB in that card instead of 6 GB was clearly an aberration given the 3070 8GB, 3080 10GB. I think it was a reaction to AMD including 16 GB on the RX 6800 and up, and maybe they knew about the 6700 XT 12 GB when they decided IDK. Every gen there's some VRAM decision to complain about.

I wonder if we will eventually get GPUs where the customer can upgrade the memory on their own?

 

[The Mass Shooter Ron Soye]

I wonder if we will eventually get GPUs where the customer can upgrade the memory on their own?

Closest thing is APUs with RAM. If this could happen at all, maybe somebody could make a GPU that can take LPCAMM2.

 

[Susanna]

I wonder if we will eventually get GPUs where the customer can upgrade the memory on their own?

Good performance comes from tight integration. This is how Apple Silicon manages to so vastly outperform everything else on the market despite mediocre die sizes and other metrics. Soldering RAM means you can clock it significantly higher, because you get a much less noisy connection between the memory chip and the processor. That goes for GPUs as well. They actually did use to have socketed memory, it was done away with decades ago because without soldering the chips on they just couldn’t move data fast enough to satisfy the massively parallel operations involved in rasterisation.

 

[Just Some Other Guy]

I wonder if we will eventually get GPUs where the customer can upgrade the memory on their own?

Lol no. They need to upcharge you for doing AI shit and whatnot by keeping vram on lower cards limited.

Though I've seen mods of people soldering more vram onto certain cards. So I guess if the consumer is skilled enough....

 

[geckogoy]

I think the memory management is a bit more tightly coupled with the silicon on the card, so its not nearly as open ended what can be connected anyhow.

 

[LegoTugboat]

Part of it is that dedicated GPUs would use GDDR SDRAM, likely GDDR5 or 6.
In short, it's more specialised, and is clocked higher.

By comparison, an integrated GPU uses the system's RAM.

I suppose a dedicated GPU COULD use normal RAM, but... then you're basically going for the issues of a dGPU (size, heat, price), and the issues of an iGPU (slower RAM).

 

[The Ugly One]

GDDR is specifically designed to be mounted directly on the motherboard. There are losses, instabilities, and signal problems associated with DIMMs. It's why the fastest memory on a DIMM right now is DDR5.

 

[Betonhaus]

GDDR is specifically designed to be mounted directly on the motherboard. There are losses, instabilities, and signal problems associated with DIMMs. It's why the fastest memory on a DIMM right now is DDR5.

What about that new CAMM2 memory standard?

 

[The Ugly One]

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What about that new CAMM2 memory standard?

Beats me!

I do know that IBM's OMI memory fabric is capable of sustaining much higher bandwidth than a DDR interface, but at the cost of moving the memory controller to the DIMM.

 

[N Space]

Now seagate HDDs should die. They are so shit compared to WD. Their failure rate is insane.

Any concrete data on this?

 

[DavidS877]

Any concrete data on this?

https://www.backblaze.com/cloud-storage/resources/hard-drive-test-data

Don't know what it says about WD vs Seagate, but they report every quarter how their drives are doing.

 

[WelperHelper99]

If you’re serious about longevity, this is the sort of drive you should be buying. Observe how it’s an NVME drive, because in reality SATA vs. NVME is only a question of how fast it can move data around, not how durable it will be. Any perceived increase in longevity only comes from how much slower it is at writing out. Because SATA is so horrendously slow, often the components used in 2.5” SSDs will be subpar, and so in reality you’re just paying for a worse product.
I’m not telling you you’re not allowed to do whatever it is you’re doing, just that your motivations are based on incorrect assumptions.

It may be incorrect, but I'm committed at this point. I have all the parts, I might as well use them.

But yeah, you're probably right about the durability bit in most cases. It's slower, so unless you pay for it, they'll cheap out.