GPUs & CPUs & Enthusiast hardware: Questions, Discussion and fanboy slap-fights - Nvidia & AMD & Intel - Separe but Equal. Intel rides in the back of the bus.

Dick Justice said:
You'd get better answers in The Linux Thread. Don't listen to @Secret Asshole , his post is at least 5-10 years outdated. Instead check this one I made in that thread a while back.


I use the dualboot strategy but haven't actually needed to boot into Windows to play anything in almost a year now. Depending on what you like there'll be some can't miss games where you have to bite the bullet, but they're few and far between. Seriously consider starting with not Ubuntu, but something based on it like Mint, PureOS, Pop!OS, etc, or at least doing a non-gnome/unity version of Ubuntu. My experience with Ubuntu was that it ties your hands far worse than windows ever did, and its attempts at tight integration like snaps just make the whole thing less reliable and more difficult to use, but ymmv and all that. Also be very suspicious of anyone unironically recommending Arch. It's not bad per se, but it's never as good as the BTW I USE ARCH crowd pretends it is.
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Good post, thanks! I want to play newer games, but 90% of what I play is from the 90s or 2000s. So this sounds promising.
 
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Good post, thanks! I want to play newer games, but 90% of what I play is from the 90s or 2000s. So this sounds promising.
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Then I'm going to say you're in the goldilocks zone. The overwhelming majority of compatibility issues nowadays are caused by the intersection of DRM, anti-cheat, and newness anyway so you should be in a good spot. I recommend starting with Lutris for running your vidya.Unrelated, but when you switch seriously consider installing Guake, it's the most useful piece of software I've ever encountered.
 
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An Avenging Bird said:
So it seems as though the thing to do is just sit around and wait to see what transpires over the next year or two, and if crypto tanks while many give up and move on from PC gaming, the CEOs of Nvidia and AMD will ask where all the gamers went.
Without gamers buying this shit, product innovation will stagnate as well.
Short-sighted, greedy zipperheads.
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Between most AAA games these days being boring, repetitive shit or microtransaction Skinner boxes, diminishing returns on price vs. graphical fidelity increase, and my time being increasingly occupied with other activities (aka getting too old for this shit), I'm considering saying fuck it to buying any new hardware until a new game comes out that I really want and doesn't run well on my current PC. I "splurged" on a GTX Titan X after they came out, and if you had told me then the price I paid for that wouldn't even get me the second-from-top-tier "gaming" card in 2021 (if you consider the 3090 a gaming card) I wouldn't have believed you. And this card still does me just fine on 3440x1440@100 for the games I like to play. It would be nice to turn up the details in a game like MS Flight Sim, but that's probably the most demanding game I play now. I have the money, but my will to spend is rapidly decreasing.
 
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Dick Justice said:
Then I'm going to say you're in the goldilocks zone. The overwhelming majority of compatibility issues nowadays are caused by the intersection of DRM, anti-cheat, and newness anyway so you should be in a good spot. I recommend starting with Lutris for running your vidya.Unrelated, but when you switch seriously consider installing Guake, it's the most useful piece of software I've ever encountered.
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Guake seems very kawaii.
 
X Prime said:
I'm not certain who are bigger scum, the miners or the scalpers.

The miners are just morons, while the scalpers are assholes. The latter are ubiquitous in nearly every market where there is limited supply now. I could swear it was not this bad even 8 years ago.
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It wasn't. Its gotten so bad I wouldn't be surprised if its eventually made illegal. Its already siphoning money from an already drained economy. People are purchasing scalping bots and then going after shit like Lysol and toilet paper. Nevermind consumer electronics.
An Avenging Bird said:
So it seems as though the thing to do is just sit around and wait to see what transpires over the next year or two, and if crypto tanks while many give up and move on from PC gaming, the CEOs of Nvidia and AMD will ask where all the gamers went.
Without gamers buying this shit, product innovation will stagnate as well.
Short-sighted, greedy zipperheads.
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I mean, probably not a year. The sad part is only EVGA set up a queue system where you basically can't bot it because you have to have an email address and a captcha, it'd be a huge pain to bot. And really, that's all major retailers need to do to stop it. A queue system. But they don't really care. If the 3090s weren't so fucking ridiculous.

In fact. I just got in line for the $1,500 models, because the 3080 Ti might be around 1,100-1,200 MSRP and fucking LOL if they're going to go for anywhere near that in the beginning. I can't afford it really, but you know what, 2020 was such a shit year and with all the problems I had I'm indulging. Fuck it.
 
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Spasticus Autisticus said:
Between most AAA games these days being boring, repetitive shit or microtransaction Skinner boxes, diminishing returns on price vs. graphical fidelity increase, and my time being increasingly occupied with other activities (aka getting too old for this shit), I'm considering saying fuck it to buying any new hardware until a new game comes out that I really want and doesn't run well on my current PC. I "splurged" on a GTX Titan X after they came out, and if you had told me then the price I paid for that wouldn't even get me the second-from-top-tier "gaming" card in 2021 (if you consider the 3090 a gaming card) I wouldn't have believed you. And this card still does me just fine on 3440x1440@100 for the games I like to play. It would be nice to turn up the details in a game like MS Flight Sim, but that's probably the most demanding game I play now. I have the money, but my will to spend is rapidly decreasing.
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ASUS’s Graphics Cards, Motherboards & PC Components To Witness Price Increases in 2021 – Operational Costs, Logistics & Tariffs Cited As Main Reason​


Yeah I just told my sig other that if this shit doesn't turn around in the next year or two and parts remain this unobtainable in addition to prices going up, the current system I have is the last I build because what's the fuckin point anymore.
Fuck, you can't even find 1000 series GPUs.
I hate cryptominers almost as much as I despise Jack Dorsey. And that's saying something.
 
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An Avenging Bird said:

ASUS’s Graphics Cards, Motherboards & PC Components To Witness Price Increases in 2021 – Operational Costs, Logistics & Tariffs Cited As Main Reason​


Yeah I just told my sig other that if this shit doesn't turn around in the next year or two and parts remain this unobtainable in addition to prices going up, the current system I have is the last I build because what's the fuckin point anymore.
Fuck, you can't even find 1000 series GPUs.
I hate cryptominers almost as much as I despise Jack Dorsey. And that's saying something.
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I don't think its just miners in the secondary market, I think that NVIDIA and AMD are devoting literally all production to these cards, so no more producing 2080s or 1080s. There's also the fact there's a worldwide chip shortage too. It's like the perfect storm of fuckery.
 
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Allakazam223 said:
"AMD Patents Chiplet Design To Build Colossal GPUs | Tom's Hardware" https://www.tomshardware.com/amp/news/amd-gpu-chiplet-patent

Pretty sure we discussed the possibility of this in this thread already.
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I think all three companies might skip MCM GPUs for the next generation. Starting with Nvidia which will release Lovelace first instead of Hopper.


Intel's first GPUs for gamers will probably be monolithic, i.e. "single tile". Same with AMD's RDNA 3.

 
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An Avenging Bird said:

ASUS’s Graphics Cards, Motherboards & PC Components To Witness Price Increases in 2021 – Operational Costs, Logistics & Tariffs Cited As Main Reason​


Yeah I just told my sig other that if this shit doesn't turn around in the next year or two and parts remain this unobtainable in addition to prices going up, the current system I have is the last I build because what's the fuckin point anymore.
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LOL calm down. There's chip shortages and insane demand due to the Rona. You sound like those angry Redditors who were REEEing over the 290x being $700 during the first mining crazy screeching about how PC gaming would never recover.

Just fucking chill and wait for fucks sake. The pandemic is STILL ACTIVE, it will take months after trade resumes to normal for supplies to catch up. In case you havent noticed there have been shortages of plebian machines and gaming consoles too. Everything is sold out.
Fuck, you can't even find 1000 series GPUs.
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Gee I wonder why I cant find 2 series old GPUs 4 years after launch. It's such a fucking mystery :thinking:

The entire used market is BTFOd by the lack of newer hardware. Once supply lines open up the issue will resolve itself. I for one am waiting for the second mining crash and the incoming $400 RTX 3080s as sales get obliterated by the used market again.
 
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DNA_JACKED said:
LOL calm down. There's chip shortages and insane demand due to the Rona. You sound like those angry Redditors who were REEEing over the 290x being $700 during the first mining crazy screeching about how PC gaming would never recover.

Just fucking chill and wait for fucks sake. The pandemic is STILL ACTIVE, it will take months after trade resumes to normal for supplies to catch up. In case you havent noticed there have been shortages of plebian machines and gaming consoles too. Everything is sold out.

Gee I wonder why I cant find 2 series old GPUs 4 years after launch. It's such a fucking mystery :thinking:

The entire used market is BTFOd by the lack of newer hardware. Once supply lines open up the issue will resolve itself. I for one am waiting for the second mining crash and the incoming $400 RTX 3080s as sales get obliterated by the used market again.
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What part of "if this shit doesn't turn around in the next year or two" was so difficult to comprehend?
 
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An Avenging Bird said:
What part of "if this shit doesn't turn around in the next year or two" was so difficult to comprehend?
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"see guyz I was only pretending to be retarded".

The ultimate irony, you wrote that whiny post over the RTX 3000 series, which offers a far better price/$ then the 2000 series ever did, and gets us back on the expected improvements in price/perf that was abandoned with Turing. Abandoning the concept of building your own PC over a temporary bump in the road, even if that bump is a several year long Rona, is plain dumb, no matter how many qualifiers you staple onto it.

Prices and stock will stabilize, once the market manages to stabilize. Rocketlake could put pressure on AMD to release cheaper 5000 series processors, the 6800xt and 3080 offer fantastic levels of performance that should serve well for many years of gaming and outside of the halo cards are selling for the same prices that GPUs have been selling at for the last 4 years.
 
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Turns out my CPU is too weak for any new cards, which means I'm going to need a new one. Going to go with a 5600x and...it has the same issues as all the GPUs. Completely gone outside of scalpers. I mean, there's no point in buying a 3080 or 3090 with an i7-6700k which is just going to cause me to lose performance and struggle to keep up with it. The good thing is by the time I actually finish the fucking build I might actually get a graphics card for MSRP.

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If you don't want to be checking websites constantly, you can use Octoshop, an extension that notifies you with a desktop pop-up that its in stock and things constantly get checked.
 
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Secret Asshole said:
Turns out my CPU is too weak for any new cards, which means I'm going to need a new one. Going to go with a 5600x and...it has the same issues as all the GPUs. Completely gone outside of scalpers. I mean, there's no point in buying a 3080 or 3090 with an i7-6700k which is just going to cause me to lose performance and struggle to keep up with it. The good thing is by the time I actually finish the fucking build I might actually get a graphics card for MSRP.
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If you can hold out until March/April, there should be more stock and AMD might drop Ryzen 5000 prices around when Rocket Lake launches.
 
The Mass Shooter Ron Soye said:
If you can hold out until March/April, there should be more stock and AMD might drop Ryzen 5000 prices around when Rocket Lake launches.
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I kinda don't, I'm just hoping there's a replenishment Jan/Feb of the 5600, which is pretty cheap to begin with at $299, which is why I find the scalping of it hysterical because its meant to be attractive at that price point, so ramping up the cost seems stupid.

Though the bonus of waiting to March is GPUs will probably be MSRP by that point.
 
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If I could have justified a $800 cpu, I could have easily got a 5950X. My Microcenter had 25+, and continued to have stock for almost the entire day.

If only they had some 5600Xs

In other news, Rocket Lake looks crazy.....and not in a great way. 11900k just barely squeezes by the 5800X at 5.3ghz in Cinebench while blasting away at 225W. Under load it pushed up to 261W.

Just noticed the 11900 is only 8c while the 10900 was 10c. What a joke.
 
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Secret Asshole said:
I kinda don't, I'm just hoping there's a replenishment Jan/Feb of the 5600, which is pretty cheap to begin with at $299, which is why I find the scalping of it hysterical because its meant to be attractive at that price point, so ramping up the cost seems stupid.
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True. Maybe we will see a cheaper 8-core though, either by that $450 price getting slashed or with a new 5700X to fill the $150 chasm between the 5600X and 5800X.

Just Some Other Guy said:
In other news, Rocket Lake looks crazy.....and not in a great way. 11900k just barely squeezes by the 5800X at 5.3ghz in Cinebench while blasting away at 225W. Under load it pushed up to 261W.

Just noticed the 11900 is only 8c while the 10900 was 10c. What a joke.
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That drop from 10 cores to 8 cores is amusing, and it means the i9-10900K will match the i9-11900K on some benchmarks, if not games. "Core i9" branding is in shambles. That doesn't mean Rocket Lake will be a bad lineup necessarily, but power and heat are a concern, and the prices ought to undercut AMD.

Intel will have a better chance with Alder Lake, delivering another IPC increase and what they will call 16 cores, 24 threads. It should compare well with the 12-core Ryzen 9 5900X. The 8 big cores should be enough for most games, with the 8 small cores handling background tasks.
 
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X Prime said:
I'm not certain who are bigger scum, the miners or the scalpers.

The miners are just morons, while the scalpers are assholes. The latter are ubiquitous in nearly every market where there is limited supply now. I could swear it was not this bad even 8 years ago.
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Miners and scalpers go together like dicks and assholes, churning shit forever.

When it comes to CPU pricing I only upgraded because I found a 1600AF at close to American MSRP. The AF was a Ryzen 5 2600 for 85 bucks, no one knows why it existed, and it almost doubled in price overnight when people figured that out... because people started scalping them, to the point there wasn't any idea of buying one over the 2600 - there was a 200mhz base clock difference between them, that's it.
43 of them were being shipped to Sweden and I started having Celeron 300A sweats. Including 25% VAT it came out to ~$121.

edit: one upside have been memory pricing. 16GB HyperX Fury DDR4-3200 cost less than the cheapest and most barebones 2x4GB DDR3-10600 kit I could find 18-24 months ago.
 
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Smaug's Smokey Hole said:
Celeron 300A sweats
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AKA the reason why Intel locked down all their CPUs other than specific models. Imagine being able to have a 50% overclock on a modern CPU and on the stock cooler.

Anyhow. I got an e-mail from Scan today. Since the queue for the EVGA RTX 3080 FTW Ultra is empty, they've gone down the other queues and been offering other people to change to that queue. I'm probably going to take it.

Unfortunately being a SFF doyen, my power supply only has two PCIe power commectors and the FTW requires three. Not to worry, it can be solved with a splitter if you have a good enough power supply and mine is 80 Plus Platinum.

But, oh fuck. The FTW uses more power than other models of 3080. So I panic-buy the last 800W Silverstone SFX Titanium power supply in existence in the UK because I really don't want my system to catch fire. Let us see if I get a new card this side of Easter or not.

Also it has fucking RGB all over it.

I ABHOR RGB
 
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