GPUs & CPUs & Enthusiast hardware: Questions, Discussion and fanboy slap-fights - Nvidia & AMD & Intel - Separe but Equal. Intel rides in the back of the bus.

[God of Nothing]

Got the 4060. Works like a charm. Thank you all for the advice

i have never been more glad to own a practically ancient built gaming pc than i am now
how do you fuck up on this scale?

 

[Betonhaus]

Got the 4060. Works like a charm. Thank you all for the advice

i have never been more glad to own a practically ancient built gaming pc than i am now
how do you fuck up on this scale?

cost cutting and hubris

 

[4090 Chad]

Got the 4060. Works like a charm. Thank you all for the advice

i have never been more glad to own a practically ancient built gaming pc than i am now
how do you fuck up on this scale?

What is your CPU? If you upgraded from a 1070 and your CPU is equally as old, you’ll still want to upgrade that CPU/mobo to avoid bottlenecking even at 1080p. Wouldn’t be a bad time to upgrade to AM5 and get a 7600.

 

[The Mass Shooter Ron Soye]

Intel Core Ultra 200K “Arrow Lake” CPU Clocks Revealed: Ultra 9 285K 5.7 GHz, Ultra 7 265K 5.5 GHz, Ultra 5 245K 5.2 GHz

• Core Ultra 9 285K - 5.70 GHz (Max)
• Core i9-14900KS - 6.20 GHz (Max)
• Core i9-14900K - 6.00 GHz (Max)
• Core i9-13900KS - 6.00 GHz (Max)
• Core i9-13900K - 5.80 GHz (Max)
• Core i9-12900KS - 5.50 GHz (Max)
• Core i9-12900K - 5.20 GHz (Max)

Arrow Lake turbo clocks are allegedly lower than 13th/14th gen, but still higher than Alder Lake. Also, when I see the 285K name, I see room for a 290K and 295K...S. Intel will not abandon 6.0 GHz without a fright.

 

[God of Nothing]

What is your CPU? If you upgraded from a 1070 and your CPU is equally as old, you’ll still want to upgrade that CPU/mobo to avoid bottlenecking even at 1080p. Wouldn’t be a bad time to upgrade to AM5 and get a 7600.

i7-6700K
honestly, i'm pretty content with something that can run all the games i usually play even with middling performance
modern gaming has been so shit lately i think i'll abstain from fully updating for another decade, if it can last that long

 

[Betonhaus]

i7-6700K
honestly, i'm pretty content with something that can run all the games i usually play even with middling performance
modern gaming has been so shit lately i think i'll abstain from fully updating for another decade, if it can last that long

I'm wondering if portable PCs (and the fact that 90% of AAA games have been shit) will start a push for more optimized games that handle older hardware fine?

 

[Susanna]

So Michael Larabel just humiliated himself. ASRock announced some server-GPUs, and he confused the absence of fans for passive cooling.

Quite interesting offerings for those wanting a high-end but quiet PC although too bad these models weren't introduced earlier in the Radeon RX 7900 series product life-cycle.

Needless to say, a server is anything but quiet. These cards are intended to go into a rack chassis with forced front-to-back air circulation, ie really crazy loud fans. He’s a veteran in the tech review space, so for him to make a mistake like this is frankly ridiculous.

Should be a nice product for ROCM workloads. At a guess they’re going to do well in China, AMD aren’t yet sanctioned there the way NVIDIA are.

 

[The Mass Shooter Ron Soye]

I'm wondering if portable PCs (and the fact that 90% of AAA games have been shit) will start a push for more optimized games that handle older hardware fine?

I think the recent spate of game dev layoffs could lead to more of them going their own way and making indie games, which tend to be fine with hardware similar to the Steam Deck.

But there will be increasing requirements as developers from across the gaming spectrum are going to want to use tools like Unreal Engine 5 that are more CPU-intensive (I think it has been optimized since launch though). The portable PCs are packing fast hardware too. The Steam Deck is already about as fast as a 6700K, and the next one will probably have at least quad-core Zen 5c (40-50% faster?). Then the more power hungry handhelds are packing 8-core Phoenix, soon 12-core Strix Point, and Intel's Lunar Lake looks good too. Old Sandy Bridge/Skylake 14nm+++++++++ users will be left in the dust.

Does it matter? Not much. A next-generation Steam Deck will probably cost $500 entry-level, you can find reasonable desktops on sale for about $800 if you don't build. If you're using 10 year old hardware, you can wait for the new stuff to hit the bargain bin.

So Michael Larabel just humiliated himself. ASRock announced some server-GPUs, and he confused the absence of fans for passive cooling.

Needless to say, a server is anything but quiet. These cards are intended to go into a rack chassis with forced front-to-back air circulation, ie really crazy loud fans. He’s a veteran in the tech review space, so for him to make a mistake like this is frankly ridiculous.

Should be a nice product for ROCM workloads. At a guess they’re going to do well in China, AMD aren’t yet sanctioned there the way NVIDIA are.

I archived that article minutes after it came out because it looked interesting. Then I looked for the TDP/recommended PSU and was disappointed. AnandTech did the coverage right, despite the comments trying to roast it:

ASRock Launches Passively Cooled Radeon RX 7900 XTX & XT Cards for Servers

However, unlike a typical desktop card, the cooler on these cards is a dual-slot heatsink without any kind of fan attached, which is meant to be used with high-airflow forced-air cooling.

Adding "scare quotes" around "Passively Cooled" would have been better, but whatever.

All Larabel had to do was not include "Quite interesting offerings for those wanting a high-end but quiet PC" and he might have been able to get away with it.

At a guess they’re going to do well in China, AMD aren’t yet sanctioned there the way NVIDIA are.

Any consumer card weaker than a 4090 should be fine. Which is why the 5080 will not be faster than the 4090.

 

[Stasi]

thank god I'm still using a i5-10400F

Still rocking an i7 4790

 

[The Mass Shooter Ron Soye]

AMD Strix Point laptop APU reviews are coming out starting 13 minutes ago:

AMD Ryzen AI 9 HX 370: 100+ Benchmarks Validate Zen 5's Captivating Power Efficiency & Performance
Asus Zenbook S 16 laptop review - The first Copilot+ laptop with AMD Zen 5 inside a 1.3-cm-thick case

I'm reading through Larabel's now. Even when it's not much faster than previous-gen Phoenix, it's a lot more power efficient.

The Zenbook S 16 seems to be configured at 28W. Remember that instead of 15-30W 'U' and 35-54W 'H(S)' chips, the APUs so far specify a broad 15-54W range that the laptop manufacturer configures.

The 890M is clearly screaming for more memory bandwidth. No surprise there.

Review roundup

 

[Stoneheart]

I had a very strange Email from Work. they want to replace 2 of our brand new PCs. They are very beefy PCs with new Intels.
Has Intel started a silent recall?

 

[Betonhaus]

I had a very strange Email from Work. they want to replace 2 of our brand new PCs. They are very beefy PCs with new Intels.
Has Intel started a silent recall?

maybe your work is being proactive, presumably because the CEO also uses one of the defective computers and thinks just getting his own replaced would look suspicious?

 

[The Mass Shooter Ron Soye]

I had a very strange Email from Work. they want to replace 2 of our brand new PCs. They are very beefy PCs with new Intels.
Has Intel started a silent recall?

No silence is possible, it would leak to the press immediately.

Maybe your company is getting rid of 13th/14th gen CPUs on their own initiative.

 

[Fcret]

I had a very strange Email from Work. they want to replace 2 of our brand new PCs. They are very beefy PCs with new Intels.
Has Intel started a silent recall?

Probably getting rid of them now rather than waiting for them to fail.

 

[The Ugly One]

It’s wholly dependent on what your native res is and what setting you are using. 1080p balanced will look like shit yea. 4k balanced or quality still looks good with the added benefit of more frames.

1080p balanced looks good IME

 

[Betonhaus]

I wonder how cheap those CPUs will be on eBay, and if they will run fine if you downclock and undervolt them before they get too damaged? Most likely you'll find them to be too damaged tho

 

[Stoneheart]

maybe your work is being proactive, presumably because the CEO also uses one of the defective computers and thinks just getting his own replaced would look suspicious?

Its a giant company i work for...
Also i have some updates, this comes from the supplier and a friend who work in the same industry but at a different company also gets a very early replacement.

No silence is possible, it would leak to the press immediately.

There is something going on. but yeah could be our supplier getting cold feet and replacing the CPUs on their own before getting in trouble because something very bad happens.

 

[Betonhaus]

Its a giant company i work for...
Also i have some updates, this comes from the supplier and a friend who work in the same industry but at a different company also gets a very early replacement.


There is something going on. but yeah could be our supplier getting cold feet and replacing the CPUs on their own before getting in trouble because something very bad happens.

Sounds like a trustworthy supplier

 

[Stoneheart]

Sounds like a trustworthy supplier

Or just smart. We have 24/7 Tech support from them and i guess trashing a couple of CPUs is much cheaper than sending somebody in the middle of the night with a replacement. they did that years ago when we had HDD Issues and i dont think it was cheap for them

 

[TheRaptorJesus]

Cheaper to replace them now than to lose work hours troubleshooting and possible losing data to crashes. Smart idea.