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The X3D chips utterly mog the X chips on anything that is cache or memory bound so you are likely mistaken (actually the 5800x3d beats a lot of 9000 series chips in that situation let alone its own generation)
Yes, I know what the X3D chips do. But in some games there's like almost no gain whatsoever, so the actual average never looked impressive. For the 5800X3D vs 5800X we take a trip back to 2022:


where we get an average 1080p uplift of almost 12%, and that's 3D vs non 3D.

It just shows that X3D is always best bought based on the games the buyer plays and the averages have never looked amazing.
 
Yes, I know what the X3D chips do. But in some games there's like almost no gain whatsoever, so the actual average never looked impressive. For the 5800X3D vs 5800X we take a trip back to 2022:


where we get an average 1080p uplift of almost 12%, and that's 3D vs non 3D.
The average is pretty impressive these days if only because incredibly bad architecture is so common now. Many games are made with zero programmers its just all unreal engine groids who have no idea how the computer works. Yea you can cherry pick stuff that is not heavily cache/memory bound but its increasingly rare
 
The average is pretty impressive these days if only because incredibly bad architecture is so common now. Many games are made with zero programmers its just all unreal engine groids who have no idea how the computer works. Yea you can cherry pick stuff that is not heavily cache/memory bound but its increasingly rare
Its really only impressive in 1080p with shit settings and the best GPU there is. Its really hard to find anything with a gpu that most people may have. Sure 25% margins look good but when its already at over 250 FPS, its kinda moot. I'm in the waffling phase of if the x3d is worth a $200 premium.

Wonder if its windows causing all the core issues, mayble i'll continue to waffle.

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AMD official render of Strix Halo (with tuber watermark):
AMD Ryzen AI 300 MAX PRO “Strix Halo” APU render leaked: up to 16 Zen5 cores and 40 RDNA3.5 Compute Units
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Those are normal Zen 5 chiplets aside the massive I/O+graphics chiplet. Surprisingly, (according to MLID) 128 GB models launch after 32/64 GB, despite workstation models launching before gaming laptops. You probably want 64 GB or 128 GB in your "AI workstation" to run larger AI models. A Strix Halo gaming laptop should easily cope with 32 GB, running 20+12 or 16+16 (allocated as RAM+VRAM), targeting 1440p at least.

@The Ugly One Big news, Intel is completely abandoning on-package memory. Meaning Lunar Lake is a one-off, and it won't be in Panther Lake, Nova Lake, or anything else. Pat G said it himself during an earnings call. I thought on-package memory would save some money for OEMs by reducing power consumption (cooling) and size, but Lunar Lake apparently didn't save Intel money because of its complexity and low margins. Maybe they need to make Tim Cook the CEO of Intel.
 
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probably going with a 5800x as the final am4 upgrade now, but even that one is slowly going up
What's the reason for not going with the 5700x? I have the 5800x and kind of regret it because of the higher TDP and the fans going harder because of it. It's a 105w CPU vs 65w CPU or whatever it was, with the difference being 200mhz.
 
@The Ugly One Big news, Intel is completely abandoning on-package memory. Meaning Lunar Lake is a one-off, and it won't be in Panther Lake, Nova Lake, or anything else. Pat G said it himself during an earnings call. I thought on-package memory would save some money for OEMs by reducing power consumption (cooling) and size, but Lunar Lake apparently didn't save Intel money because of its complexity and low margins. Maybe they need to make Tim Cook the CEO of Intel.

Well...that sucks. It doesn't save OEMs money, though, it saves users the annoyance of their battery running dry. Maybe they should try selling it for more money. I'd add thirty bucks to the chip.
 
What's the reason for not going with the 5700x? I have the 5800x and kind of regret it because of the higher TDP and the fans going harder because of it. It's a 105w CPU vs 65w CPU or whatever it was, with the difference being 200mhz.
Its just upbinned afaik. Its probably possible to configure the power target down in BIOS if you really want
 
What's the reason for not going with the 5700x? I have the 5800x and kind of regret it because of the higher TDP and the fans going harder because of it. It's a 105w CPU vs 65w CPU or whatever it was, with the difference being 200mhz.
I would undervolt it if you're sick of it trying to catch fire whenever you open a browser tab. I really wish I could've gotten a 5900X or 5950X back in the day but that shit flew off the shelves and the 5800X was all that was left :(
 
Whats your thoughts on 64 vs 32 gigs for purely gaming/gaming watching shit on second screen. Easily saving $80 sticking to 32.
it depends on what you're using it for. What games need more then 32gb, and are they ones you would enjoy playing or pure overbloated goyslop?

My server has 64gb of ram and I'm upgrading it to 128gb, but it's a headless server.
 
Whats your thoughts on 64 vs 32 gigs for purely gaming/gaming watching shit on second screen. Easily saving $80 sticking to 32.
I caught a 64 GB DDR4 deal for under $100, so I got it. I have at least 20 GB free at all times unless something goes horribly wrong (memory leak). You are fine with 32 GB but if a good enough deal comes, jump on it.

Don't use more than 2 sticks.
 
Whats your thoughts on 64 vs 32 gigs for purely gaming/gaming watching shit on second screen. Easily saving $80 sticking to 32.
32 is plenty. Current AAAslop is only now turning the corner on using more than 16GB of RAM for itself so 32 is more than plenty.
 
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What's the reason for not going with the 5700x? I have the 5800x and kind of regret it because of the higher TDP and the fans going harder because of it. It's a 105w CPU vs 65w CPU or whatever it was, with the difference being 200mhz.
my current cpu runs 95w, so I'm not that worried about noise since I doubt 10° more will stress the system that much.
one of the main reasons for the upgrade (among other things) is to make x4 less of a slideshow, and that game really likes higher clock speed. was even pondering a 5900x (was still available back then) since it boosts slightly higher and had higher reported fps, but I haven't really looked into how the 2 CCDs would affect other things and it was listing an old version, so might be different now.

besides x4 I'm not that much in a hurry to upgrade anyway, I just remembered the prices since last time I checked, for my use case paying over 200 bucks for a "maybe" 10-12% improvement over the non-x3d wasn't really worth it imo, and then the option was gone (unless I trawl ebay or sth).

if I see a good 5800x sale might pull the trigger, otherwise I'll just wait a bit and jump onto am5 directly.
 
it depends on what you're using it for. What games need more then 32gb, and are they ones you would enjoy playing or pure overbloated goyslop?

My server has 64gb of ram and I'm upgrading it to 128gb, but it's a headless server.
I don't many intensive games, The most intensive one recently would be frostpunk 2. I currently have 32 gigs and it has been fine. My Emby/Torrent/unifi controller has like 16 gigs and a 10400f & 1650 super or some shit (got it for free). Works fine for what I use it for.

Going with 32 would allow me to buy the conversion kit for my block for ~$35 and still be ahead. Probably stick with 32.* I could sell my current shit, but I don't trust ebay anymore and I live too far in the country to deal with facebook/CL.

*Fucking optimus, all the shit is out of stock. But they do have a blemish sale on thats tempting.

Why not? Wouldn't you want to use all the memory channels?
You'd have to run slower ram to use all 4 slots. They should sell more 2 slot boards TBH. If the motherboard has a good QVL you can check and see what they got to run at 4x and what speeds.
 
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I've yet to max out my 32 on anything, but I also don't play AAAAslop
more or less the same for me; I bought a pretty cheap 'gaming laptop' in 2012 with a 650ti and 16gb of vram. That laptop lived long long past me writing off the videocard as spent goods for anything but indie and retro gaming. Now 32gb of system ram is the happy medium, it's been affordable since 2019, but is now dirt cheap and X86 OS's seem happy as with that amount 5 years later. 32gb is still healthy for 99.8% of us because these days remotely normie prosumer software and videogames ape the videocard's memory harder than system ram.

If you are not sure how much system ram you need, just go with the consensus, you can always upgrade your ram later. 16 too little, 64 only if you know you need it; 32; cosy.
 
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