GPUs & CPUs & Enthusiast hardware: Questions, Discussion and fanboy slap-fights - Nvidia & AMD & Intel - Separe but Equal. Intel rides in the back of the bus.

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gagabobo1997 said:
im going to finance a 5090
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Apparently the price of the high end ASUS model is $2800. Most of the board partners are charging multiple hundred over MSRP for their cards. You really, really need to get your hands on the FE model if possible. Also you will want a good PSU. I have read reports that coil whine is pretty bad on the FE cards.
 
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Haven't bothered skimming this whole thread, but I've been an Intel guy for a long time. Nothing against AMD, just never got into their stuff. I'm planning on upgrading my build from an i7-10700 and I'm heavily debating on jumping over to AMD after the disaster of the last few Intel gens with their thermal issues. So, my question is: if I switch over, which CPU would be best for a comparable i7 or even an i9 CPU for gaming?

Edit: Comparable meaning current gen around mid to high range gaming CPU

I'll work out the motherboard and everything myself, unless anyone has really good recommendations as far as reliability/price and all that is concerned.
 
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Haven't bothered skimming this whole thread, but I've been an Intel guy for a long time. Nothing against AMD, just never got into their stuff. I'm planning on upgrading my build from an i7-10700 and I'm heavily debating on jumping over to AMD after the disaster of the last few Intel gens with their thermal issues. So, my question is: if I switch over, which CPU would be best for a comparable i7 or even an i9 CPU for gaming?

Edit: Comparable meaning current gen around mid to high range gaming CPU

I'll work out the motherboard and everything myself, unless anyone has really good recommendations as far as reliability/price and all that is concerned.
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if you can get one, a 9800X3D gets the best results for gaming right now
 
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So it looks like according to some reviews that the B580 is actually fairly limited by what CPU you have in the machine.

I don't have the links on me right now (gay phoneposting) but Hardware Canucks and Hardware Unboxed are showing that the heavier 1440p games are getting hammered due to some CPU overhead that Intel hasn't solved yet. This makes it a less attractive budget option because the actual performance is going to be CPU bound. Test rigs used something like a 5600 (I've got a 5700X) and got less gains across the board, making the 4060 and the 7600 come out less battered than you'd think. So unless you've got like a 7800x3D in the thing, the card can't reach maximum performance.

I'm sure it'll be solved in time but it does leave a bad taste in my mouth since I was willing to give the benefit of the doubt to Intel. So far I've had a few crashes in SM2 that have given me pause, but I've heard that happens even on other cards. Right now I'm only playing at 1080p on it until I get a new monitor, so I haven't hit the limit on what I can do yet.
 
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Lone Wandering Courier said:
Even the 3050 can take advantage of the new model in Cyberpunk

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1996:
"Here's the game running on the basic settings" (game looks like liquid shit) "But with this amazing new technology in the Voodoo graphics accelerator, just look..." (game looks exactly like real life, people's brains melt, angels sing in the heavens)

2025:
"Here's this game running on the basic settings" (game looks amazing) "But with this amazing new technology in the GeForce RTX card, just look..." (game looks literally exactly the same)

"No, you're not looking closely enough! Here, let me freeze the scene! See, if you look really closely at the grass, it looks slightly crisper! Isn't that amazing! And it only took 1000x more processing power for this one effect than your entire computer had in 1998!"

Skeletron Prime said:
So it looks like according to some reviews that the B580 is actually fairly limited by what CPU you have in the machine.
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Comment from a redditor quoted on Techpowerup forums:
Intel drivers use two threads for drawcall submissions, which is an ancient holdover from their igp. I remember having an intel laptop with a igp that couldn't benefit from the hyperthreading on an I3, no matter the resolution or gpu usage.
So you need a processor with 2 super fast cores, or you have to run up against the gpu limit and accept frametime dips.
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It doesn't appear to be limited to very fast frame rates, either.
 
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NVIDIA’s tight GeForce RTX 50 margins put pressure on board partners: ‘MSRP feels like charity’

The more you buy (at MSRP), the more you can profit.

AMD FSR4 support may be added to all FSR3.1 games
Kepler confirms that this easy FSR4 update would not be available to FSR3 games, the 3.1 update is required. The most likely reason FSR3.1 compatibility is required for the FSR4 upgrade is that it represents AMD’s first release where super resolution and frame generation are decoupled into separate libraries.
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It remains to be seen if anything older than RDNA4 will support FSR4, but at least this will make it easy to add in to games.
 
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The Mass Shooter Ron Soye said:
NVIDIA’s tight GeForce RTX 50 margins put pressure on board partners: ‘MSRP feels like charity’
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Board partners are just upset that the FE design is so much farther ahead of what they cooked up and that they're going to have trouble offloading stock to the small group of people who actually want 5090s. I don't know a single person in the market for a 5090 that wants a non-FE card.

Most of these GPUs don't actually need the giant fucking heatsinks being strapped to them, they're just a convenient way for the board partners to sell you a massive chunk of aluminum for 2x the price.

WULULULULU said:
The new AMD GPUs better be worth it, because the slowly current consensus on the Nvidia GPUs are as black as David Blackwell's African-American heritage.
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They won't be. If AMD was able to price the 9070 XT competitively against Nvidia, it would already be for sale. Retailers already have the cards and yet we're waiting for March for some reason. If I had to guess, AMD is hoping RTX 5000 series cards will have supply problems and be sufficiently scalped so $700 actually seems reasonable for a 9070 XT.

It's RDNA3 all over again just without a flagship card.
 
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cantankerous jackalope said:
Why is the market so afraid of the chinese AI? Isn't it built using NVDA chips?
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The market's not afraid at all, it's just a few investment influencers who uncritically consumed Chinese psyops about, "groundbreaking open-source AI model trained in a cave using paperclips and string" and think Nvidia is going down.

Two days ago the narrative was that it was trained on just some Mac minis they'd scrounged up for only 5 million dollars and now it's slowly coming out that they actually had tens of thousands of lovelace data center GPUs and a lot of the investment might be obfuscated behind accounting tricks because they used to be a 'quant' firm so the money spent might not be properly accounted for as AI capex etc.

tl;dr it's just retards falling for chink tricks

Deepseek is pretty cool and some of the low-level optimizations in the paper are amazing but you're still gonna want a decent GPU to run the version of it that doesn't suck ass. It's not some magic model that's going to outdo ChatGPT while running on a toaster like twittards are claiming.

#lurker said:
What's so great about it?
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It's only two slots wide compared to the 3+ slot monstrosities all the AIBs are offering. You can actually fit it in an SFF case.
 
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cantankerous jackalope said:
Why is the market so afraid of the chinese AI? Isn't it built using NVDA chips?
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It's apparently very very good. Like the cost to use is 5% of western AI and as I've stated before it has a much better grasp on stuff like numbers or guardrails. If you ask it number of genders it gives you the correct Kiwifarms answer instead of acting like a faggot like most AI does

It's just leagues above everything else. Honestly reminds me of the apple vision pro or iphone, like a company on their first attempt basically becomes the pace car of the industry when companies that have been doing this for over a dozen years are completely outclassed.

Apparently a shitload of buyers for corps admit they basically brought Nvidia for nothing, and treating 6 figure data center purchases like they're gambling losses.

It's like Nvidia is blackberry, every company in the West has contracts with them and tied to their services but the iPhone just came out.

It sounds like I'm exaggerating but that really is what this moment is, China's tech/software isn't the punchline it was a dozen years ago. Same way apple wasn't.

The same way the idea of Chinese video games or movies being better or preferable to western ones would have been a joke. Now it's increasingly true.

Every AI the West makes has to waste precious resources because God forbid you trick and AI into saying trannies are creeps.
 
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in that case is a $75 3060 plausible if it was one that was pulled from an AI or crypto datacenter that was decommissioned? There seems to be a lot of them on Aliexpress tho the one i got won't arrive until maybe friday.







I'm probably just trying to convince myself i didn't get scammed sorry
 
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