GPUs & CPUs & Enthusiast hardware: Questions, Discussion and fanboy slap-fights - Nvidia & AMD & Intel - Separe but Equal. Intel rides in the back of the bus.

[Susanna]

I have no idea how the AI part of these cards work but is there a way to get these ai chips to transcode media for plex or jellyfin? Nvenc is fine but i'd imagine the horsepower behind AI is going give better x265 encodes than envenc by itself. im too present time orientated to make cpu encodes.

H.265 encoding takes place in an ASIC, which is basically a small processor built specifically for this one task. If you're encoding enough streams simultaneously to overwhelm it, yeah, you could probably have the rest of the GPU handle this encoding as a general purpose compute task, but the modern GPUs already have really good transcoding capacities. The 4070 can handle eleven simultaneous H.265 1080p60Hz streams on its ASIC. Video is generally 30fps, so that's 22 1080p video streams, or five 4k streams. Do you actually need more?

 

[The Ugly One]

I have no idea how the AI part of these cards work but is there a way to get these ai chips to transcode media for plex or jellyfin? Nvenc is fine but i'd imagine the horsepower behind AI is going give better x265 encodes than envenc by itself. im too present time orientated to make cpu encodes.

The AI part of the card just does linear algebra in anything from 32-bit float to these weird low-precision AI formats that I only barely understand. Does transcoding media require multiplying matrices? Then you can use the tensor cores.

 

[Betonhaus]

I have no idea how the AI part of these cards work but is there a way to get these ai chips to transcode media for plex or jellyfin? Nvenc is fine but i'd imagine the horsepower behind AI is going give better x265 encodes than envenc by itself. im too present time orientated to make cpu encodes.

I believe you would need to have custom code and algorithms to do so. Most GPUs have a dedicated subsystem specifically for transcoding. For Jellyfin they recommend a Quadro P400 as a cheap option (can be gotten for like $30) but they advise to just use an Intel iGPU as they are good enough, and the Intel Arc GPUs are considered to be superior to even the latest Nvidia or AMD cards (as Nvidia has lackluster Linux support and AMD cards have terrible transcoders). I have an Intel Arc A310 in my server which handles all transcoding processes perfectly fine.

 

[oh no its pipkun]

Can't a mid range Nvidia card pump out 1080p H265 at 200fps or something?
The other option is the new 5000 series, I read that they put more encoders on it so you can encode multiple streams at once with no performance loss.

its not so much transcode fps but the parameters of the encoder which is hardset on the chip. So you can't change b frame settings even with handbrake.

you can use jailbroken drivers to remove nivida's rtx/gtx limit of 2 streams.

just a thought.

Do you actually need more?

lol not really just want to optimize the bandwidth even by a few percentages points

For Jellyfin they recommend a Quadro P400 as a cheap option (can be gotten for like $30

yeah the also come with no stream limits out of the box but the encoder chips are outdated for the cheaper ones.

i also manually make 480p 720p encodes with handbrake and stuff for my phone/laptop when i travel.

 

[The Ugly One]

its not so much transcode fps but the parameters of the encoder which is hardset on the chip. So you can't change b frame settings even with handbrake.

you can use jailbroken drivers to remove nivida's rtx/gtx limit of 2 streams.

just a thought.


lol not really just want to optimize the bandwidth even by a few percentages points



yeah the also come with no stream limits out of the box but the encoder chips are outdated for the cheaper ones.

i also manually make 480p 720p encodes with handbrake and stuff for my phone/laptop when i travel.

Oh, if you're not writing your own transcoder, then you can't use the tensor cores unless somebody else writes one from scratch that does.

 

[Pattern Juggler]

AMD Ryzen 7 9800X3D CPU Accounts for Almost 90% of "Zen 5" Sales, Rest of 9000 Series in Trouble

Intel's far more guilty, but they both release way too many SKUs these days. Hopefully they'll be forced to simplify things down a bit.

 

[The Mass Shooter Ron Soye]

Reportedly:
AMD Radeon RX 9070 series press conference reportedly set for late February
AMD Radeon RX 9070 XT reportedly launches March 6
Intel Is Reportedly Preparing New Battlemage Graphics Cards, New Device IDs Appear In Linux Graphics Driver Code

AMD Ryzen 7 9800X3D CPU Accounts for Almost 90% of "Zen 5" Sales, Rest of 9000 Series in Trouble

Intel's far more guilty, but they both release way too many SKUs these days. Hopefully they'll be forced to simplify things down a bit.

There's three routes to take: high-core count (16-core 9950X), gayming (9800X3D, formerly 7800X3D), and budget (7400F/7500F, 7600, 8500G not recommended due to being gimped, 8600G, 9600).

AMD Ryzen 5 7600X + GIGABYTE B650M + 32GB Patriot DDR5 + 1TB Kingston PCIe SSD $350 + Free Shipping

The 9800X3D offers a gaming uplift compared to vanilla Zen 5 or 7800X3D and is very power efficient, so MindFactory Germs love it. Dual-CCD 9950X3D will be a niche flagship, also not out yet. 12-cores like the 9900X live in a no-man's land but might be a good choice for somebody after heavy discounts. 9700X and 9600X are generally unneeded if cheaper AM5 options are available, and 9600 non-X isn't out yet or OEM only, not sure.

It would be interesting to see X3D become the default if gaymers are going to continue to reject non-X3D parts. Zen 5 X3D still has slightly lower clocks despite flipping the chip, so maybe that is untenable.

AMD could try a Zen 5+ refresh next with an improved I/O die supporting faster DRAM, and using the Strix Halo Zen 5 CCDs which are supposedly not identical to the ones used by Granite Ridge / Turin, and may be using Infinity Links for lower latency. If they are accumulating these CCDs now, they could be used as a stopgap while the electronics market settles down.

Zen 6 is where things will get really interesting if they move to 12-core CCDs. 24 cores for the dual-CCD flagship, 12 cores for the 9700X/9800X3D successor, possibly 10-cores and 8-cores below that. AMD has gatekept X3D to a $479 MSRP 8-core CPU this generation, likely with a 9600X3D coming much later following the previous pattern. It would be nice to see that price point come down, and nobody would complain about cheap 8-10 cores with 3D V-Cache.

After Zen 6 it's time to think about AM6 and DDR6.

 

[Stratos Sphere]

Zen 6 is where things will get really interesting if they move to 12-core CCDs. 24 cores for the dual-CCD flagship, 12 cores for the 9700X/9800X3D successor, possibly 10-cores and 8-cores below that. AMD has gatekept X3D to a $479 MSRP 8-core CPU this generation, likely with a 9600X3D coming much later following the previous pattern. It would be nice to see that price point come down, and nobody would complain about cheap 8-10 cores with 3D V-Cache.

The best part about this might be 10 performance cores being the standard. When you look at Zen 3 - 5 there are no mass market 4 core CPUs (laptop/apu don't count as those are monolithic and have a different design.), and this coincides with the increased size of the ccd (4 core ccd to 8. assuming the silicon defects happen in a way where only 2 cores are affected. we might have a 10 performance core cpu for 250-300.

 

[The Ugly One]

we might have a 10 performance core cpu for 250-300.

The more cores my CPU has for developers to not use because parallel programming is too hard to bother learning, the better.

I am salty right now because my build server is choked on THREE files that are taking for-fucking-ever to compile that apparently the whole rest of the project depends on.

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Each file is over 150,000 lines long. I blame women for not having sex with whoever the fuck wrote this.

 

[The Mass Shooter Ron Soye]

The best part about this might be 10 performance cores being the standard. When you look at Zen 3 - 5 there are no mass market 4 core CPUs (laptop/apu don't count as those are monolithic and have a different design.), and this coincides with the increased size of the ccd (4 core ccd to 8. assuming the silicon defects happen in a way where only 2 cores are affected. we might have a 10 performance core cpu for 250-300.

Yup. Yields for a ~75mm^2 12-core chiplet would be high in the first place. I doubt we'll get 10 cores (83.(3)%) at 6-core (75% of 8-core) pricing, instead it will be a little cheaper ($300-330) and then they'll make 8-cores (66.(6)%) the new budget trash option. What AMD probably won't do is disable 50% of the die again (the short-lived Zen 2 quad-cores), so 6-core is off the menu.

AMD makes a 10-core Ryzen AI 9 365 APU with two of the Zen 5c cores disabled. That could technically become the first 10-core on AM5 if Strix Point desktop APUs are released. Speaking of APUs, Zen 6 Medusa Point APUs may use the desktop chiplet to deliver 12 all-big cores, all in one CCX. If that's the case, all Zen 6 CPUs/APUs should be copying Strix Halo's packaging to increase efficiency and lower latency.

The more cores my CPU has for developers to not use because parallel programming is too hard to bother learning, the better.

Just run 10 applications on 4 screens, bro.

 

[Stratos Sphere]

Zen 6 Medusa Point APUs may use the desktop chiplet to deliver 12 all-big cores, all in one CCX. If that's the case, all Zen 6 CPUs/APUs should be copying Strix Halo's packaging to increase efficiency and lower latency.

I'd be curios about power efficiency as desktop Zen chips don't really have a great base power. my 9700x runs at a minimum of 35w at idle and I've never seen i go lower . I'm not sure if that's because of the io die or how the chiplets are packaged. Hopefully they can mange to improve the io die enough so that we can actually run faster memory speeds at 1:1,

 

[The Ugly One]

I'd be curios about power efficiency as desktop Zen chips don't really have a great base power. my 9700x runs at a minimum of 35w at idle and I've never seen i go lower . I'm not sure if that's because of the io die or how the chiplets are packaged. Hopefully they can mange to improve the io die enough so that we can actually run faster memory speeds at 1:1,

Power efficiency is how much work the CPU gets done at a given wattage--which is mostly dependent on the transistor density--not how good it is at managing power. AMD seems to be pretty bad at the latter (my AMD laptop likes to run at 2-3 GHz for no reason), but TSMC's leadership gives them an advantage in the former.

 

[Stratos Sphere]

true although i meant moreso idle power efficiency idk how they would implement the desktop ccds without having a chip that uses 30w on Firefox. but then again they have the x3d chips on laptop but power limited and i would assume they fixed it there

 

[Pattern Juggler]

my 9700x runs at a minimum of 35w at idle and I've never seen i go lower

My 7800x3d idles at 20 watts according to hwinfo. You sure you haven't set a bad power plan in windows? Or you running the integrated gfx?

 

[Aljam]

My 6800xt doesn't want to post anymore. Daresay i am suffering from sag? it lights up but my bios error is 00. I'm starting to regret not getting a newer nvidia card

 

[WULULULULU]

My 6800xt doesn't want to post anymore. Daresay i am suffering from sag? it lights up but my bios error is 00. I'm starting to regret not getting a newer nvidia card

Unfortunately, that is what happens when you don't encounter sag from the get-go. Mine was months old and I noticed sag and got it fixed.

 

[The Ugly One]

true although i meant moreso idle power efficiency idk how they would implement the desktop ccds without having a chip that uses 30w on Firefox. but then again they have the x3d chips on laptop but power limited and i would assume they fixed it there

This comes down to how smart they are at deducing how much the program they're running needs its instructions dispatched as quickly as possible. It's tricky, because it's not like the CPU can see whether a program is a game or a compiler. If you're overly conservative, then you run too slow and lose benchmarks. if you're overly aggressive, then you run too hot and gobble energy when it's not needed. My impression is the best in the game at this is Apple, probably since they design the CPU and operating system as a vertically integrated whole, Intel's distant behind them, and AMD is the absolute worst (at this specific thing, they're very good at other things, just atrocious at energy-saving clock management).

 

[Squatty Potty]

Asus unveiled a gilded limited edition 5090 that specifically targets the Saudi prince market. Price is currently unknown.

https://www.techpowerup.com/332137/asus-unveils-gilded-geforce-rtx-5090-rog-astral-dhahab-edition

 

[The Mass Shooter Ron Soye]

Asus unveiled a gilded limited edition 5090 that specifically targets the Saudi prince market. Price is currently unknown.

The gold used costs less than the graphics card.

 

[Squishie PP]

Asus unveiled a gilded limited edition 5090 that specifically targets the Saudi prince market. Price is currently unknown.
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https://www.techpowerup.com/332137/asus-unveils-gilded-geforce-rtx-5090-rog-astral-dhahab-edition

The Saudis want to break away from the petrodollar? The golden blackmail inflator guarantees their freedom!

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Each file is over 150,000 lines long. I blame women for not having sex with whoever the fuck wrote this.

Writer is probably a currycel