GPUs & CPUs & Enthusiast hardware: Questions, Discussion and fanboy slap-fights - Nvidia & AMD & Intel - Separe but Equal. Intel rides in the back of the bus.

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Fcret said:
It has bipartisan support up until Intel, AMD, Apple, Nvidia, Qualcomm, Microsoft, Amazon, Google, and Meta all make the right calls and suddenly there's zero support for it. Export restrictions were fine when it was mostly just hitting Nvidia stuff but this is the sort of thing that affects the entire industry and I imagine the lobbying against it will be quite fierce.

Also Tom Cotton is not in the favored inner circle with Trump and I could see that really hurting this effort in the long-run.
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This is the sort of thing you spend a billion dollars implementing and has a workaround within 15 minutes. Sure, it can stop some rogue employee from swiping them and selling them on craigslist, but for a government-scale operation, the Chinese will just do whatever they have to do to spoof the location. Also, these retards somehow do not understand that the difference between GPUs from 2020 and GPUs from 2025 isn't that 2020 GPUs can't do AI, it's just that you need more of them.
 
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My biggest regret will be that all devices will use soldered RAM to achieve LPDDR5 speeds. Now there is a race to shorten as much as possible the traces.

Imagine that you will dispose your laptop once your on board ram goes bad. Without thousands of dollars of bga oven equipment, it's impossible to repair. Also harder to upgrade. Manufacturers will love this to limit you at only 16 gb ram which already feels like its required for casual use.
 
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i440BX said:
My biggest regret will be that all devices will use soldered RAM to achieve LPDDR5 speeds. Now there is a race to shorten as much as possible the traces.

Imagine that you will dispose your laptop once your on board ram goes bad. Without thousands of dollars of bga oven equipment, it's impossible to repair. Also harder to upgrade. Manufacturers will love this to limit you at only 16 gb ram which already feels like its required for casual use.
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It's be hilarious if ram becomes on-die and unreplaceable but GPU ram becomes upgradeable
 
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There is some hope although. I heard of a new standard called CAMM.
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I feel like the first place to adopt it will be laptops and mini-workstations, due to size constraints, but even in those segments there were only a couple actual products. I think MSI brought a desktop ATX motherboard with CAMM RAM to last year's Computex, but I don't think it was actually released. So I doubt it's going to become available soon, definitely not this gen.
 
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I would love to own a Z series workstation laptop. I heard they are the more reliable than your average HP laptop.
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I, too, would like to own a Z. No laptop version yet!

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i440BX said:
My biggest regret will be that all devices will use soldered RAM to achieve LPDDR5 speeds. Now there is a race to shorten as much as possible the traces.

Imagine that you will dispose your laptop once your on board ram goes bad. Without thousands of dollars of bga oven equipment, it's impossible to repair. Also harder to upgrade. Manufacturers will love this to limit you at only 16 gb ram which already feels like its required for casual use.
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On the one hand I do feel a bit miffed at the idea of non-serviceable RAM. On the other, I can't remember the last time I actually replaced RAM in a laptop without just buying a new laptop as by the time the RAM is insufficient, the laptop is well past its prime and I'm looking to upgrade anyway.

Non-serviceable storage is a much bigger problem IMO.

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I, too, would like to own a Z. No laptop version yet!

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You're gonna generate a RACF violation with your power company trying to run one of those in a residence.
 
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i440BX said:
There is some hope although. I heard of a new standard called CAMM.
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That's definitely a solution, but we'll have to see if it gains market acceptance. It could remain expensive and niche forever, used only in Dell workstation laptops and so on.

And we also just saw Framework of all companies have to stick with soldered LPDDR5X, because a LP/CAMM solution wouldn't have been feasible for the Strix Halo boards.

Apparently not. In Linus Tech Tips latest video, the Framework CEO says they talked to AMD about it and that one of their engineers ran some simulations and found the stability would degrade too far for it to be possible.
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Smaug's Smokey Hole 2 said:
It's been soldered in plenty of laptops for years.
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The trend has been towards more soldering, sometimes with creative solutions like soldered + one empty DIMM slot, but now DDR5 is the last SODIMM generation.
 
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That's definitely a solution, but we'll have to see if it gains market acceptance. It could remain expensive and niche forever, used only in Dell workstation laptops and so on.

And we also just saw Framework of all companies have to stick with soldered LPDDR5X, because a LP/CAMM solution wouldn't have been feasible for the Strix Halo boards.




The trend has been towards more soldering, sometimes with creative solutions like soldered + one empty DIMM slot, but now DDR5 is the last SODIMM generation.
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I believe it should be theoretically possible to have shorter traces and be replaceable. I saw many people comparing this change to the switch of onboard cache to cpu cache. But it is still possible to replace the cpu with one with more cache. Here you remain stuck with 16 gb ram. I am sure companies will tier the laptops to be more expensive than what actually the ram costs. Like what phone manufacturers do with storage capacity.
 
Honestly, the 16 gig RX 7600 XT is looking a little better compared to everything out there now. I still play a lot of my games in 1080p (I just don't see the point in playing them in higher resolution). I might just grab a 7600XT when I build my AM5 machine at the end of the year.
 
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