GPUs & CPUs & Enthusiast hardware: Questions, Discussion and fanboy slap-fights - Nvidia & AMD & Intel - Separe but Equal. Intel rides in the back of the bus.

From my perspective it seems like pre-builts are the way to go these days considering supply issues and scalping. At a glace usually the GPU included in the build on its own would somehow cost close to 1/2-2/3 of the price of the pre-built anyway, at least where I am.
same for me, I got incredibly lucky however. I decided to build 3 new PCs(was setting up home office and new gaming machine) like 1 month before the GPU spike. I wouldn't have been able to afford it if I decided to pull the trigger a couple months later. Granted I don't have any 30 series GPUs but I ended up getting 2x 2080ti and a 1660ti in the 3 prebuilts I purchased for dirt cheap. I just swapped out mobo's, added some ram, decent SSD's and even before the crazy price spike ended up saving nearly 2k if I just ordered straight parts. I can't even imagine what it would have cost me now.
Still deciding about cooling (is watercooling a meme?)
honestly, I use noctua NH-U12A's in my machines and they do a much better job cooling than the corsair AIO's that were originally on them. Air cooling is perfectly fine

edit 10k usd?: wtf if that's some humble brag and not a typo you can build whatever the fuck you want, just go to PCPP and go nuts.
 
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Can anyone recommend me a good computer? I only have a million dollars to spend.
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Get one of these and genetically engineer your own dinosaurs!
 
Standing desk, but you raise it really high so you can compute chopper style.
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And Buzzfeed recommends this for those tired of their current sexual orientation.
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Oh god... this is going to fucking date my but... you know that chopper above was so fucking hard on your ass/body that you really had to man up on riding those fuckers long distance. The Easy Rider bike From the movie had no front brake and the HD Knuckle Head motor was placed on a ridged frame.

I can attest to 2 facts on Riding HD motorcycles up to the year 1998.

1. The EVO engine is the engine that saved Harley Davidson. The Twin 88 IMHO eventually helped killed Harley Davidson due to the increased inability of working on your motorcycle. In the 90's, all the way to the great recession, HD was selling a myth about being a "manly man" if you buy the bike and promoted the types of legal poker runs and parties.

There is a lot I could say about it but it's sort of bitter sweet. HD sold a product and a myth to unsuspecting idiots and in the end they did not make the changes that the market and economy was going through the 2010's and onwards.

I think of it this way. People poured 20 to 60 thousand on a piece of metal that they can not get their money back.
Such as any of the custom bikes during that time. People bought into the myth and now they are stuck with a boat anchor that they will not make their money back.

My bike is arguably the best HD motor cycle ever made. The FXRS Low Rider Convertible. My bike is 29 years old. It is in excellent shape and is 99% stock and I have the original break lines as well. I can sell it more than I bought because the FXR series are in high demand. I bought the bike because I knew it was a fucking awesome bike in the first place I knew at the time I was going to save money in the long haul by not paying expensive insurance and gas as gas has gone up and down during the 90's and onward.

There was no need to buy Thunder headers or make modifications to increase my performance. I rode long distance so if my bike performs @ 70mph and if I had to ride 1000 to 2000 miles in long haul then I want something that is reliable. And the EVO with a Mikuni carburetor was just that. Simple as fuck to maintain. Durable as fuck as well.

HD was selling the myth. Easy Riders and "Captain America" was a great part of the myth of living that manly life and they sold it well. However they were selling that myth with marketing and over the years ignoring the quality that went into building a bike.

Because of course you want those extra dollars coming in from those Harley Certified Technicians costing you 3 to 6 hundred dollars for every 3000 miles when you get a full service.

Yea... I remember it was that bad in the mid 2000's for service in my local HD dealership. But then again I did all of my wrenching myself as with us old timers "If you are going to die on your bike by a mistake, make sure that you are the one that made that mistake and not someone else".


2. There is the real truth on the term "Milwaukee Vibrator". I had one special bike just rigged up for that. God people originally laughed that is was a Sportster (until they seen the miles I put on it) and its paint scheme. All purples, blues, with pink stripping.

That bike with matching helmets was a fucking chick magnet. Ride a few short miles along the country side or during a poker run, A little snack. A little beer Ride a little bit, letting the vibration do its magic on a lady wearing tight leathers/short pants and more often than not its an evening of balls to the walls action. Only a few knuckle grinders knew the scheming and just laughed when I was going to their home with girl after girl.

When HD started rubber mounting everything for a smoother ride, well there went poor guys like me who is ugly as shit getting any chance of doing the Horizontal Mamba with some cute babes.


Yea... in ending... there was truth in the way of a Biker's life out on the rode as presented by the movie and the bikers from the 60's all the way to the late 90's. I enjoyed it when I could. Then everything changed. The aspect of a real brother hood is gone. Really gone. Everything now is fake, like cheap ass chrome flaking off metal.

And now myth of whatever a biker is supposed to be is whatever Hollywood creates.
 
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Oh god... this is going to fucking date my but... you know that chopper above was so fucking hard on your ass/body that you really had to man up on riding those fuckers long distance. The Easy Rider bike From the movie had no front brake and the HD Knuckle Head motor was placed on a ridged frame.

I can attest to 2 facts on Riding HD motorcycles up to the year 1998.

1. The EVO engine is the engine that saved Harley Davidson. The Twin 88 IMHO eventually helped killed Harley Davidson due to the increased inability of working on your motorcycle. In the 90's, all the way to the great recession, HD was selling a myth about being a "manly man" if you buy the bike and promoted the types of legal poker runs and parties.

There is a lot I could say about it but it's sort of bitter sweet. HD sold a product and a myth to unsuspecting idiots and in the end they did not make the changes that the market and economy was going through the 2010's and onwards.

I think of it this way. People poured 20 to 60 thousand on a piece of metal that they can not get their money back.
Such as any of the custom bikes during that time. People bought into the myth and now they are stuck with a boat anchor that they will not make their money back.

My bike is arguably the best HD motor cycle ever made. The FXRS Low Rider Convertible. My bike is 29 years old. It is in excellent shape and is 99% stock and I have the original break lines as well. I can sell it more than I bought because the FXR series are in high demand. I bought the bike because I knew it was a fucking awesome bike in the first place I knew at the time I was going to save money in the long haul by not paying expensive insurance and gas as gas has gone up and down during the 90's and onward.

There was no need to buy Thunder headers or make modifications to increase my performance. I rode long distance so if my bike performs @ 70mph and if I had to ride 1000 to 2000 miles in long haul then I want something that is reliable. And the EVO with a Mikuni carburetor was just that. Simple as fuck to maintain. Durable as fuck as well.

HD was selling the myth. Easy Riders and "Captain America" was a great part of the myth of living that manly life and they sold it well. However they were selling that myth with marketing and over the years ignoring the quality that went into building a bike.

Because of course you want those extra dollars coming in from those Harley Certified Technicians costing you 3 to 6 hundred dollars for every 3000 miles when you get a full service.

Yea... I remember it was that bad in the mid 2000's for service in my local HD dealership. But then again I did all of my wrenching myself as with us old timers "If you are going to die on your bike by a mistake, make sure that you are the one that made that mistake and not someone else".


2. There is the real truth on the term "Milwaukee Vibrator". I had one special bike just rigged up for that. God people originally laughed that is was a Sportster (until they seen the miles I put on it) and its paint scheme. All purples, blues, with pink stripping.

That bike with matching helmets was a fucking chick magnet. Ride a few short miles along the country side or during a poker run, A little snack. A little beer Ride a little bit, letting the vibration do its magic on a lady wearing tight leathers/short pants and more often than not its an evening of balls to the walls action. Only a few knuckle grinders knew the scheming and just laughed when I was going to their home with girl after girl.

When HD started rubber mounting everything for a smoother ride, well there went poor guys like me who is ugly as shit getting any chance of doing the Horizontal Mamba with some cute babes.


Yea... in ending... there was truth in the way of a Biker's life out on the rode as presented by the movie and the bikers from the 60's all the way to the late 90's. I enjoyed it when I could. Then everything changed. The aspect of a real brother hood is gone. Really gone. Everything now is fake, like cheap ass chrome flaking off metal.

And now myth of whatever a biker is supposed to be is whatever Hollywood creates.
So how about that 3090 Ti
 
So how about that 3090 Ti
Hhahahaha. I'll wait for the Evil Empire Intel and see what their offerings are. I'm also seeing if the bit coin dip is going to be more of a permanent thing before looking at Ngreedia.

But we all knew that the 3090ti was there, but daaaaamn that's expensive.

And we both know some geek will fap hard and get one. This reminds me of this video.

 
Prebuilt
Ryzen 5 5600x (AIO watercooled)
16GB RAM
RTX 3060TI
1TB NVME storage
So it arrived last night. I have to say I am impressed with what I got. Great cable management, and all off the shelf parts besides the case from what I can tell. Its a Gigabyte 3060ti, and mobo. All the cooling is Inwin and the PSU is gold+. Very slick and while I wasnt really a RGB person before, having the ability to change the colors is a cool gimmick.

I was a bit worried that it was going to be some weird OEM parts like HP and Dell use, but its basically a machine I could have built myself. Threw a 4tb spinner into it, and saw RAM was fairly cheap so I picked up some RGB to upgrade it to 32GB. Overall satisfied with everything, hopefully it lasts me 5+ years.
 
Every time I think I have emotionally gotten over the prices of GPUs these days, I find I haven't and I have to make another useless post on here expressing that. I think my last was a couple of months ago. £1200+ for AMD's high end 6800XT and that's not even the top model.

Said it before, will no doubt say it again, this is killing the PC gaming market. The way new people can't get into it and the way latest games can't be played on high simply don't show their effect on the market for a long time. But they will.

We're also now at the cross-over point where even if cards were available for a reasonable fee I would not buy now because we're getting closer to the new models being announced. Not sure when exactly but RDNA3 cards should be appearing this year and early rumours are putting some of them at around 2.5x the performance of current gen cards. It's going to be a huge leap, at least.

They'll probably cost even more, though.
 
i have the youtube downloads github thing. is there a way to raise the resolution of downloads?
videos don't seem to go above 720p
That could depend on the resolution it was uploaded in, 720p might be the max. It should go up to 4K if that is available. I use jDownloader2 because it's a (piece of shit) GUI program and when a video is in the queue it is easy to right-click and specify formats and resolution. Fucking VP9...

Said it before, will no doubt say it again, this is killing the PC gaming market. The way new people can't get into it and the way latest games can't be played on high simply don't show their effect on the market for a long time. But they will.
As stupid as it might sound it is holding back raytracing and that is holding back consoles, so raytracing will continue to be a meme because no one can build a multiplat game around it if it will also release on PC. Imagine if shaders wasn't reliable supported on every gaming PC until 2010 or something, that would have hobbled game development.
 
but RDNA3 cards should be appearing this year and early rumours are putting some of them at around 2.5x the performance of current gen cards. It's going to be a huge leap, at least.
we havent had a huge leap since the ps2 to ps3 generation transition.
2.5x the performance?
they say that, but i doubt it.
every step into the 8th generation or ps4 gen has been an incemental increase at best as moore's law breaks.
 
we havent had a huge leap since the ps2 to ps3 generation transition.
2.5x the performance?
they say that, but i doubt it.
every step into the 8th generation or ps4 gen has been an incemental increase at best as moore's law breaks.
I disagree. The Geforce 3000 GPUs was a pretty large step over the 2000 GPUs, something we haven't seen in a while and AMD took a massive step upwards in performance, but they have been lagging behind so I'll focus on Nvidia because they've been the performance leader for some time and I'll ignore RTX 2000 completely.

For years it's been no surprise if the new Nvidia 70 card would be as fast as the previous 80 card while the new 60 is kind of old like the old 70 in performance at a lower price.
Here's just two things I took from the top of google image search because I'm lazy, but you get the idea.
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Step backwards from 1000, to 900, 800, 700 and it will look roughly the same. I can't remember performance doubling from one generation to the next since the 90's, part of that technological evolution was to stop using EDO ram and put a heatsink on the chip so the new generation can run hotter. The RTX 3000-cards combined with the theoretical MSRP was the largest performance leap forward in recent years. All of this is from memory and I might have mistaken that leap in performance from the leap in cost of my electrical bill because it doubled in annoyance. I'm glad I don't own a 3090 Ti!

AMD's 2.5x jump in performance will probably involve benchmarks using their beefed up RT capabilities, that's my general hunch.
 
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The 2.5x rumour is from someone who has been right before, apparently. Trying to imagine how it could come about... Well some of the next gen cards are rumoured to be pushing the 500W level of power consumption so that's maybe part of it. Frightening if so. There's a drop down to 6nm, iirc. If these are the chiplet architectures then that could possibly really open up potential as you'd have way higher yields. Or rather, you'd waste a lot less due to many smaller dies vs. one large one. That could mean a lot more processing power for the same production cost. Architecture-wise, I don't know.

It does sound optimistic but it doesn't sound absurd. I guess we'll find out but my real point was that we're close enough to the new announcements now that the boat on buying the latest and greatest GPUs has sailed. Even if prices got back to normal I wouldn't buy at that point. Some time in the next few months we should start to find out some more concrete details. And I guess availability towards the end of the year.
 
I disagree. The Geforce 3000 GPUs was a pretty large step over the 2000 GPUs, something we haven't seen in a while and AMD took a massive step upwards in performance, but they have been lagging behind so I'll focus on Nvidia because they've been the performance leader for some time and I'll ignore RTX 2000 completely.

For years it's been no surprise if the new Nvidia 70 card would be as fast as the previous 80 card while the new 60 is kind of old like the old 70 in performance at a lower price.
Here's just two things I took from the top of google image search because I'm lazy, but you get the idea.
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Step backwards from 1000, to 900, 800, 700 and it will look roughly the same. I can't remember performance doubling from one generation to the next since the 90's, part of that technological evolution was to stop using EDO ram and put a heatsink on the chip so the new generation can run hotter. The RTX 3000-cards combined with the theoretical MSRP was the largest performance leap forward in recent years. All of this is from memory and I might have mistaken that leap in performance from the leap in cost of my electrical bill because it doubled in annoyance. I'm glad I don't own a 3090 Ti!

AMD's 2.5x jump in performance will probably involve benchmarks using their beefed up RT capabilities, that's my general hunch.
my logic for moore's law breaking down is gaming.
the best graphics card from 10 years ago in 2012 can run brand new games today.
granted they run at low resolution and abysmal framerates but the fact it still runs shows that the jumps became minimal over time.
a graphics card from the year 2002 could not run a game from 2012. it'd be impossible. no matter how low you set the graphics settings, it simply wont run. at most, you might make it to the starting menu, but nothing beyond that.
2.5x more powerful doesn't necesarily mean 2.5x more performance in any real world way either.
 
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