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Is in the case of me going with a Ryzen 5900x, meaning stick with last gen CPU mobo RAM?
IMHO When the new generation comes of in about 3+ months from now out is when you make your decision. I'm suggesting to spend your money wisely so there will be no Buyer's remorse on your end.

Also too as the newest generations of computer components are coming out in a few months the current generation of components will ( at least should) slowly come down in price.

If I had $3200 to burn I personally would wait until the deals start to happen so I can stretch the value of your hard earned money.


You are going to have to decide what you really want your computer to do. If it just for games or do you really need your computer for illustrative rendering/editing, anything that is going to make your CPU and GPU work hard.

Is in the case of me going with a Ryzen 5900x, meaning stick with last gen CPU mobo RAM?
Personally that is what I decided for myself as I upgraded my computer's CPU and Ram.

The 5900X is a pretty good CPU IMHO. and I believe that it will go down in price when the new CPU gets closer to launch.

Back in Oct, I went for the holy grail, the 5900OEM as it was offered to me at an incredible price.

Does 12 core make a difference than 8 core? Only in production type of work which a saw a difference. In gaming not too much if any improvements at all as most games use the GPU much more than the CPU.

In my case I really noticed the difference when I am working on my production work with a 12 core processor.

Recently launched the 5700X has been launched and the price has already gone down to around $250.00. This is a pretty good deal as this runs @65 watts and plays games as well as any 8 core CPU should. If I did not currently have the 5900OEM, I would have purchased the 5700X if it was available last year.

IMHO prices can only down current components the closer to launch of newest generation of components.

If you can wait you can find out how much improvement there will be from the newest generation vs price and performance of the current one.

So with the amount of money that you have on hand. take an advantage of the opportunity that is coming in a few months. Not many can afford to do so in these times.
 
If you don't mind me asking, with your budget of $3200, what parts have you selected so far, if any? And are you going to be doing any productivity stuff, or just gaming?
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My apologies if this has already been discussed, but are there any motherboard/CPU combos for sale with igpu's that output HDMI 2.1? I know there are many with 2.0 and even some with 2.0b, but achieving 2.1 without a discrete GPU seems to either not exist or be a best-kept secret.

I have an (admittedly edge case) need for onboard 2.1 support. I don't need to game on it, I just want it to output a modern signal to my brand-new 4K TV. Right now, I'm limping along at 1.4.
 
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The cost of the motherboard is total overkill, I've never spent more than 150 for one, even with an otherwise high end system.

I'd also say 32GB of ram is not something most people are going to need unless you're doing high end graphics work (you say you aren't) or bleeding edge gaming.
 
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The cost of the motherboard is total overkill, I've never spent more than 150 for one, even with an otherwise high end system.

I'd also say 32GB of ram is not something most people are going to need unless you're doing high end graphics work (you say you aren't) or bleeding edge gaming.
What constitutes as bleeding edge gaming?
 
Idk about not recommending 32gb of ram anymore.

I do light gaming and have a bunch of other tabs and apps open in the background. I have had instances where all 16gb were eaten up.

I just slapped in 32gb just as an extra buffer and it's made a noticeable improvement.
 
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Same as Webp except way worse, compatibility.
Which is the way it's going to stay for a while.

Many software companies are going subscription only, but with worse software at a higher cost. AV1 wasn't really a thing 5 years ago. Professionals that don't want to pay for a subscription will need to change software or stick with old formats.

You can't push the blame on hobbyists because AV1 is slow to cpu encode and hardware encoding isn't available yet.

Expecting a new codec to be as entrenched as one that has been the most popular for 20 years is asking too much. Especially since back then you had to update your codecs every month. AV1 being open and lacking royalties hopefully means that it'll be adopted quicker and last longer once it has.
 
Idk about not recommending 32gb of ram anymore.

I do light gaming and have a bunch of other tabs and apps open in the background. I have had instances were all 16gb were eaten up.

I just slapped in 32gb just as an extra buffer and it's made an noticeable improvement.
All it takes is one instant of insufficient RAM, and most, if not all, modern computers starts working really bad.

Long time ago, I was taught that RAM is cheap, both in cost and ease of installation, relative to other PC components. When in doubt, consider installing additional RAM capacity.
 
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If you're just planning on gaming, then you won't need a 5900X. A 5600 or 5700X/5800X will do you just fine. Granted the 5900X is at a great price right now. A good B550 motherboard will do just fine for just gaming, let alone school work. And you don't need to pay that much for a Windows 10/11 license, when you could get a gray market key for much less. I've had good luck with VIP-SCDkeys myself.

Here's a part list I made that should help you along. If you're looking to do a white build, I can redo the list. But if you're deadset on the 5900X, over the 5800X, just at $75 to the CPU cost. I went with the PSU that I did to account for the crazy power spikes that the 3080 tends to have, and if you're going for a 4080, from everything I've heard, those cards will sip power like a motherfucker.


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Idk about not recommending 32gb of ram anymore.

I do light gaming and have a bunch of other tabs and apps open in the background. I have had instances were all 16gb were eaten up.

I just slapped in 32gb just as an extra buffer and it's made a noticeable improvement.
Yeah, if ram is cheap there's no reason not to put in more than needed. Even for a normal user 32GB is nice because they won't ever have to deal with swapping to disk or having to shut anything down before launching a game. If 32GB cost $350 and 16GB cost $150 then it would be a different situation.
 
One part of my decision to upgrade was that I felt a price hike was coming. Intel will apparently spike prices of new flagship chips. DDR5 isn't worth it yet and I don't really care about Rocket Lake and getting more E-cores that many people disable anyway. There likely isn't anymore improvement in IPC.
 
All it takes is one instant of insufficient RAM, and most, if not all, modern computers starts working really bad.

Long time ago, I was taught that RAM is cheap, both in cost and ease of installation, relative to other PC components. When in doubt, consider installing additional RAM capacity.


Yeah, it's always been the rule: Buy more RAM than you think you need right now.

Not going to make the 640KB joke here of course. We all make mistakes.

For internet, 8GB is ok. For graphics, sure you need to be heading towards 32GB because that will incorporate audio which halves your bandwidth again.

RAM just makes life easier and quicker. For an Audio machine that you use as your main DAW, then anything less than 16GB is a compromise today. I run a machine with 4GB, but that is an XP machine, so can't use more RAM than that anyway. It flies like shit off a blanket. It's faster than my Win7 and WinX machines on some tasks.

If you do video then yeah, don't think about less than 32GB, really 64 or 128 if you can. Because all video (pretty much) includes Audio, which takes up the same bandwidth of zeroes and ones again with their data structures. 32 bit and 24 bit (and even 16 bit) Audio is resource heavy. You will record at higher bandwidths like 32 bit, but you will dither down to 16 bit for CD quality and even .mp3 quality at its best (CBR 320KB/s or wtf). If you want to hold that in 'state' while you do your editing and want to do it quickly, more RAM is your boy.

I'm writing this though on an old knacker of a machine. Got a nice DAW setup on here. I don't do video (very much). Get as much RAM as you can. It goes up in price as they invent new versions of it and so stocks get bought up and sold out. Oh and don't forget the old 'oh we had a fire in the taiwan/thailand factory that just happened to be the only factory in the world making that kind of RAM' trick! The Tsunami afterwards did not help. Nor the terrorist attack. Shame about the fucking earthquake as well. And it's a pity their whole economy went down the shitter also because the government were found to be embezzling funds and had to fly to Singapore via Saudi Arabia. Many such times. Sad.

RAM is expensive. And many people don't need it. But even for browsing it's good to have a lot. I've got a couple of hundred tabs open in my browser on startup. I couldn't do that with minimal RAM. It's nice to have but not essential.

Even for Audio stuff you don't need much more than 8GB. But if you work with sample libraries or want to use other functions on the computer like RAM heavy browsing (as I just mentioned) than more RAM is your boy.

It's the one thing you don't wan to skimp on when building a new compo. Sure, you can get by with less, but having more, pound for pound, just makes the whole computing experience that much more pleasant. RAM for this machine I am on is quite expensive now as it is quite old. But even though its only 8GB and I should double that to 16 GB, I won't. But I can put in another 4 GB on 2 x 2GB sticks (parity) and it will take it to a tidy 12GB in total. I won't notice that for the most part, but when I really need it, it will be there! For more hungry machines, then yeah 32GB and 64GB whatever...

This is why I keep an old XP box in tip top shape. Because that 4GB of RAM (even though it can only access 3GB of it from any program and the OS - 32 bit OS can only access around 3/4GB - 64 bit OS around 16 exabytes [16 billion gigabytes]) is more than enough considering how the programs were architected in the first place.

Networking is getting easier all the time and programs like Audio Gridder make it possible to even connect Mac and Pc. Not to mention 32 bit and 64 bit architecture CPUs.

I understand why video and audio take up so much space data structure wise on a modern computer, but all the rest of the shoddy programming is shameful dispray on the part of the programmers who just squander modern hd/cpu resources as if they were infinite, all the while pissing on Moore's law, but bringing it about ever quicker. Son.

We are at the limits of the fucking metal now. At the limits of physics. At the limits of resources of what we can drag out of the ground and make good and refine. We're over the hump. But the road ahead will be rocky for a few more years to come yet. That is what we are seeing now.

In 5-10 years the future will bring new tech (if we don't blow ourselves up to shit first). It has to. We have nowhere else to go. Photonics? We have heard of it. Right.

It will take a while for this to come about and to come to market, but I don't hold my breath. Humanity got cocky on this one. Hubris can be a curse sometimes.

God it's exciting. I just don't see where this new tech will come from. But it has to come. It always does. It's the same blip on the roadmap that humanity always faces before great new discoveries are made.

Either that or everyone will be paying 500 bucks for a gfx card by 2025.

We can live in hope.

Or we won't be living at all. And a new fucking Gfx card to play Doom 56 - The Resurrection - won't be an issue at all, because we'll all be fucking dead.
 
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