GPUs & CPUs & Enthusiast hardware: Questions, Discussion and fanboy slap-fights - Nvidia & AMD & Intel - Separe but Equal. Intel rides in the back of the bus.

So I haven't upgraded my PC since 2015 and it's really starting to show it's age. Right now I have a i5 at 3.5 and a GTX 1070 with 16gb DDR3 ram I think.

What's a good upgrade to bring my computer into contemporary times? I prefer to stay Intel/Nvidia. I don't have to be cheap but I'm also not looking for top shelf Titan shit.

Any 12000 or 13000 series i5 or i7 will do you good.

DDR5 is available but not essential. 16GB DDR4 will do you just fine, go for more if you do any media editing.

RTX 3060 12GB is a good option now that can regularly be had for less than $350. RTX 3070 at about $550 is on the edge of decent value for MSRP but caps at 8GB VRAM which some people say may hurt longevity of the card and definitely limits it in terms of AI image generation if you are at all interested in that. Anything higher in the nVidia lineup has been stubbornly resistant to seasonal sales this year. They remain almost universally more power efficient, but only to the tune of a few dollars per month at most if gaming at 4+ hours a day.

AMD cards offer a better price to performance right now. The RX 6650 XT gets similar benchmarks as the RTX 3060 for about $150 less. Ray tracing is considerably worse, and machine learning applications function but Linux is essentially required to access the right libraries.

If you want to, for example, play Elden Ring at 4K 60fps, the cheapest option is the RX 6800 XT when it dips to about $550. 1440p gaming is comfortably in the reach of the 3060TI and 6700 XT/6750 XT.

The more poorly optimized AAA titles are starting to require more CPU power, and new 12000 series Intel CPU’s will likely double or even triple the performance of what you have now. Older generation chips rarely reach compatible sticker prices and almost always lose in price to performance. The jump from DDR3 to DDR4 will be noticeable as well in daily tasks, but be aware that you will have to budget for more RAM.

I recently just ship of Theseused my 2014 build with an i7-12700 and an RX6800XT and I’m happy with it.

Also keep in mind that the newest generations of GPU’s from both major companies have recently be announced, but unless your GPU budget is $800 or more, you’ll be fine with something from the current catalog. Mid-range cards from the new Gen may be a year out or more, and high-end cards from AMD at least are around as cheap as they’ve been since the market stabilized about a month and a half ago.

Keep an eye on Best Buy, they have surprising deals on GPU’s. If there is a Microcenter in your area, you can walk away very happy with a great deal if you are patient. They were literally giving away free Motherboards bundled with CPU’s that also happened to be priced $50 lower than the nearest online retailer.

The market will likely shake up when the new cards arrive, but it’s just as likely things will spike again once the recent Chinese manufacturing disruptions ripple into the Western market. It won’t be as bad as COVID since production wasn’t closed as long as is starting up again, but I wouldn’t be surprised if we start seeing scalper prices within the next two months.
 
Keep an eye on Best Buy, they have surprising deals on GPU’s. If there is a Microcenter in your area, you can walk away very happy with a great deal if you are patient. They were literally giving away free Motherboards bundled with CPU’s that also happened to be priced $50 lower than the nearest online retailer.

The market will likely shake up when the new cards arrive, but it’s just as likely things will spike again once the recent Chinese manufacturing disruptions ripple into the Western market. It won’t be as bad as COVID since production wasn’t closed as long as is starting up again, but I wouldn’t be surprised if we start seeing scalper prices within the next two months.
Seconded this. According to the website, Microcenter still has some 5900x for a great price. Nothing wrong with getting last gen hardware for a steep discount.
 
Seeing yansim as a benchbark would be both horrifying and hilarious.

On the other hand. My Zotac 880G itx finally died. I was running a Phenom II x6in there, was a nice heater while it lasted as well. Does anyone have a suggestion for a replacement board that won't be stupidly "collectors" grade expensive in the ITX segment aside from another 880G?
Is there a reason you're running that CPU (older hardware support, lack of AMD PSP, etc)?
 
Kiwibros, it appears I'm in urgent need of a solid suggestion for a new motherboard as my decade old machine is now suddenly failing to boot properly.

My very basic needs:
  1. Full driver support for Windows 7 64 bit (long story)
  2. Ability to accept a lower-cost CPU now but a much better one later when I can scrape up the dough. (I'm running an I7...3820) #old
  3. Preferably no integrated sound or video, but not a deal-killer
  4. As many PCI slots as possible
I do NOT need DDR5 for the very little media editing I do or the ~4 high-end games I care about.
 
Thanks for the advice. I'm going to get a :

Intel Core i5-13600KF​

ASUS Prime B660-PLUS D4​

Corsair Vengeance LPX 32GB (2 X 16GB) DDR4 3600​

I can reuse my PSU because it's a 1000w Corsair, I don't *need* a GPU immediately but I'll hunt for sales for one. Any recommendations on a good CPU cooler?
 
Full driver support for Windows 7 64 bit (long story)
7 is EoL, that's not going to happen unless you're willing to pay tens of thousands for certification.
Preferably no integrated sound or video, but not a deal-killer
The only boards without integrated sound/video are Xenon IIRC.
As many PCI slots as possible
This is difficult, I can't think of any consumer boards with PCI slots.

I'm looking into ASRock's W680 boards for a server, and I know they have a couple of PCI slots, but these are hard to find. If you can find one for a reasonable price, you can buy a cheap i3 for now, and upgrade to a decked-out i9 later. A small positive is since these are "workstation" boards that companies purchase, there's a higher-than-normal chance it works with 7 out-of-the-box.

 
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Is hilarious seen Tech vtubers dabbing on Nvidia with just putting the 7900 in almost any case while the Nvidia GPUs barely fit in a Lian li
 
Is hilarious seen Tech vtubers dabbing on Nvidia with just putting the 7900 in almost any case while the Nvidia GPUs barely fit in a Lian li
When there's a timed release, it's an ad.

I find it to be poor PR by AMD, eventually they'll be making massive GPUs too. It's like Apple phones again, they do one thing, everyone makes fun of them for a year, and then they settle in right after.
 
Any recommendations on a good CPU cooler?
I just got this one after spending a bit of time researching them:

Cooler Master Hyper 212

I am not overclocking and didn't feel like spending a fortune so this was a nice compromise. My only complaint was that either my mobo has misaligned holes or this one did not line up properly so I am being a goof and settling on 3/4 of the cooler being secured. It is snug, quiet, and seems to be working perfectly fine so don't judge me.
 
thoughts/flamewars on i7-12700K vs. the i9-9900k? What major factors are there besides price?
The i7 would be less likely to set your house on fire than the old i9.
When there's a timed release, it's an ad.

I find it to be poor PR by AMD, eventually they'll be making massive GPUs too. It's like Apple phones again, they do one thing, everyone makes fun of them for a year, and then they settle in right after.
Nah, AMD's architecture designs are fundamentally different. Keep in mind the 7900XT is more energy efficient than the 6900XT, in comparison to the 4090/3090
 
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Nah, AMD's architecture designs are fundamentally different. Keep in mind the 7900XT is more energy efficient than the 6900XT, in comparison to the 4090/3090
Arch only is a part to play in a product, a couple of examples:

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I agree, AMD will take the efficiency crown this time, I'm waiting for N33. There's a possibility it can finally replace Polaris, the god.
 
So I haven't upgraded my PC since 2015 and it's really starting to show it's age. Right now I have a i5 at 3.5 and a GTX 1070 with 16gb DDR3 ram I think.

What's a good upgrade to bring my computer into contemporary times? I prefer to stay Intel/Nvidia. I don't have to be cheap but I'm also not looking for top shelf Titan shit.

If you're sticking with Intel, I'd recommend either Rocket Lake or Alder Lake CPUs, i.e. the 12th or 13th gen i7s and i9s. The reason is that the jump to the Intel 7 process and the new P-Core/E-Core architecture has put a whole lot more compute power on the chip than the previous generations. DDR5 does little for games and a lot for math-heavy workloads like video compression.

Newer games are being developed with 8-core console CPUs as the base expectation, so yeah, a 2-core or 4-core i5 from 2015 is just not going to keep up with today's thread-heavy workloads. I would not recommend the i5-12500. At 6 cores, it's at the low end of what today's games are targeting and won't be future-proof.
 
Newer games are being developed with 8-core console CPUs as the base expectation, so yeah, a 2-core or 4-core i5 from 2015 is just not going to keep up with today's thread-heavy workloads. I would not recommend the i5-12500. At 6 cores, it's at the low end of what today's games are targeting and won't be future-proof.
I'm going to an I3 Alder Lake, which will still whip ass on my ten year old CPU, and 32GB DDR4 instead of 16 GB DDR3. Unfortunately between that and getting a minor GPU upgrade that's the absolute most I can get for under 500 and at this point I am sick. and. tired. of. shopping.
 
If you're sticking with Intel, I'd recommend either Rocket Lake or Alder Lake CPUs, i.e. the 12th or 13th gen i7s and i9s. The reason is that the jump to the Intel 7 process and the new P-Core/E-Core architecture has put a whole lot more compute power on the chip than the previous generations. DDR5 does little for games and a lot for math-heavy workloads like video compression.

Newer games are being developed with 8-core console CPUs as the base expectation, so yeah, a 2-core or 4-core i5 from 2015 is just not going to keep up with today's thread-heavy workloads. I would not recommend the i5-12500. At 6 cores, it's at the low end of what today's games are targeting and won't be future-proof.
The consoles are 8-core Zen 2 that don't clock above 3.5-3.8 GHz, with some overhyped accelerators. Faster 6-cores will probably be fine throughout the generation, i.e. until a couple of years after a new Xbox or PS6 come out, so nearly 2030. Although 6-cores are on the way out now with Raptor Lake and soon Zen 5. Raptor Lake i5-13400 and i5-13500 add 4 and 8 E-cores respectively to the 6 P-cores, and Zen 5 will probably raise core counts.

The Steam Deck will be the thing to watch. The initial quad-core Zen 2 is good enough for now, and they might stick with quad-core but using Zen 4 for the successor. It could be enough for 1080p, 60 FPS.

He already picked 13600KF btw.
 
The consoles are 8-core Zen 2 that don't clock above 3.5-3.8 GHz, with some overhyped accelerators. Faster 6-cores will probably be fine throughout the generation, i.e. until a couple of years after a new Xbox or PS6 come out, so nearly 2030. Although 6-cores are on the way out now with Raptor Lake and soon Zen 5. Raptor Lake i5-13400 and i5-13500 add 4 and 8 E-cores respectively to the 6 P-cores, and Zen 5 will probably raise core counts.

While I think the low-end Alder Lake will be usable, the generation's already 2 years old, and PC users tend to have more crap open all the time. The biggest change I noticed going to a new computer is that having a web browser open and whatever else doesn't choke out my performance. I think the magic of alt-tab is a vastly underrated benefit of PC gaming.

The Steam Deck will be the thing to watch. The initial quad-core Zen 2 is good enough for now, and they might stick with quad-core but using Zen 4 for the successor. It could be enough for 1080p, 60 FPS.

I for one would like to see more mini-gaming PCs with low-wattage, many-core CPUs.

He already picked 13600KF btw.

Anyway, yeah, that 13600KF outperforms my 12900, so that will be fine: https://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compa...0KF-vs-Intel-Core-i9-12900/m1950757vsm1668917

The thing that sucks about buying a new computer is next year's is always better. *sigh*
 
i7-13700kf for just $150

Inside baseball:

Under Brian Krzanich, who made diversity his #1 priority, and Bob Swan, intel's quality slipped a lot. Pat Gelsinger has, among other things, ended the practice of bringing things to market that aren't up to standard, which is why SPR got delayed so much. Krzanich would have shipped it already. Rocket Lake is the first chip developed and shipped under Gelsinger.
 
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