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I just bought a couple of GPUs.
Quadros from 2011.

I'm adding some drives to my home server and need to fit in an HBA card, but no available slots with enough lanes! But the consumer garbage motherboard won't boot without a graphics card installed. So I bought some ewaste. I'll cut the x16 connector down to fit in an x1 slot, and hopefully it'll still work well enough to boot. I've done this before with other cards, but a single lane of PCIe1 really is terribly little bandwidth.
Hopefully shipping from Azerbaijan won't be super slow.
 
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For those of you too young to remember the 00s, each generation of GPUs in that era was a step change in graphics, introducing features that would not and could not execute on earlier cards. The GeForce 4 MX was not just too slow to run Doom 3 at a playable frame rate. It lacked the instruction set to do per-pixel dot products needed to make normal mapping work at all, or the per-vertex calculations needed for the stencil shadows.
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I only started getting into PC's around the time when Crysis was an actual benchmark in addition to being an actual meme. Back then, releases were actually exciting.

I know this is about GPUs, but I just wanna say, that while it may no longer be relevant, the Q6600 will always be in my heart.
 
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AYA NEO Air Plus: New gaming handheld revealed at higher than expected prices

AYA NEO has finally announced pricing and availability for the AIR Plus, its latest gaming handheld. Shipping in the spring with a choice of AMD Ryzen 3 7320U, Ryzen 5 7520U, Ryzen 7 6800U and Intel Core i3-1215U processors, the AYA NEO AIR Plus will completely miss its sub-US$300 price tag.
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Look at how bad these prices are. Mendocino 1/4 size GPU of the Steam Deck = $549+.

Smaug's Smokey Hole 2 said:
The RX 6400 is fucking stupid but AMD at least tries to do something.
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I just hope the sequel to the 6500 XT doesn't include the same hated compromises.

Second Sun said:
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The official CPU of autism has landed... in April. Too bad about the dumb scheduler issues on 7950X3D. And the 7900X3D is for nobody.
 
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AYA NEO Air Plus: New gaming handheld revealed at higher than expected prices

AYA NEO has finally announced pricing and availability for the AIR Plus, its latest gaming handheld. Shipping in the spring with a choice of AMD Ryzen 3 7320U, Ryzen 5 7520U, Ryzen 7 6800U and Intel Core i3-1215U processors, the AYA NEO AIR Plus will completely miss its sub-US$300 price tag.
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Look at how bad these prices are. Mendocino 1/4 size GPU of the Steam Deck = $549+.
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Thats too bad, I saw a video a while ago testing the performance of the low end chip (in a laptop but still) and at ~$300 it would have been a pretty compelling proposition in a cheap handheld device. At $550+ not so much.
 
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Thats too bad, I saw a video a while ago testing the performance of the low end chip (in a laptop but still) and at ~$300 it would have been a pretty compelling proposition in a cheap handheld device. At $550+ not so much.
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Even at $300 it starts to compete with better laptop options that are on sale.

There's a dual-core Mendocino which would be perfect for the $100-150 craptops previously served by the likes of the A6-9220C or Athlon Silver 3050U. Then quad-core can go to $150-250 depending on the other specs. For example, it supports 16/32 GB of LPDDR5 RAM; I woudn't ever expect to see that at on sale at $150, if any models even use that much.
 
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There is a point of diminishing returns. How fucking fast is fast?

Powerleveling. As stated before the old man has been dealing in tech for a fucking long time.
Unless you are a fucking professional you do not need that bleeding edge speed because...

Game companies sell games....
To the World...
To people with low tech desktops...
And laptops.

For fucks sakes Direct X 9c is still being used in some games and Direct X 11 is pretty much the norm.

I mean for a top of the line rig that you build yourself it is going to cost you 3 to 5 grand now.

You might as well buy your consoles and save the money to buy a used car with that amount of money to throw out.
 
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I've been looking to build a new gaming system to replace my nearing 10 year old current one ( GTX 970, i5-8600k, 16gb 2133 DDR4 RAM ) That old EVGA 970 is now starting to be not enough for new games.

Using PC part picker, keep coming around to an RX 6700XT and either 5600X or 7600 non X, the thing that keeps me leaning toward the 5600X is mostly motherboard cost, but maybe by time I actually get the money for everything, ( months ) AM5 mobos will come down in price enough. Even then, the total price of it is around $1300.
 
For gaming, the primary limit the CPU imposes on you will be maximum frame rate. If you're okay with topping out at like 120 fps, or you game in 4k and don't care about high frame rates to begin with, the 5600X will be good for probably a decade unless something drastically changes. Unless you're into CPU heavy games like Paradox grand strategy titles or Civilization, it's fine to spend less on the CPU. You might want to consider the 5800X3D, that thing gives basically almost 7950X levels of performance without being that much more expensive than the 5600X, it's the closest you can get to a "future proof" CPU imo.

The 6700XT is nice, and a good choice if you're going to be using Linux, but if you're on Windows honestly Nvidia are better value. The 3060Ti is cheaper than, and outperforms, the 6700XT, and Nvidia brings a lot of nice bonus features like DLSS, CUDA, and GPU-accelerated screencapture. Intel Arc A770 is also a strong contender in this price range, and the drivers are actually getting pretty good. Intel has similar features to the Nvidia, though admittedly not quite as mature yet, but they're ahead of AMD in that too. Assuming they're all equally priced, I'd rank them 3060Ti>6700XT>A770,
 
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The 3060Ti is cheaper than, and outperforms, the 6700XT
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If we're talking US pricing, then this is wrong. A 6700xt is almost always cheaper. The 6700XT as a whole outperforms the 3060ti @ 1440p which is where you should be buying this type of card. Unless you're talking about memetracing.

DLSS doesn't mean jack shit anymore as FSR 2 is quite honestly just about as good. CUDA...whatever. That's for people to pretend to do stuff with at such a low price point. If anyone was doing any real work with CUDA, they should really be stepping it up.

8gb of vram is fast becoming a limitation at 1440p as Hogwarts has shown us. Nvidia customers should really stop overpaying for so much for relatively low amounts of vram.

@Freedom Fighter Are you a US shopper? Have a MC or somebody you know who does? If so, that $600 7900X combo is crazy and blows any other deal on the market out of the water right now.
 
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There is a point of diminishing returns. How fucking fast is fast?

For fucks sakes Direct X 9c is still being used in some games and Direct X 11 is pretty much the norm.
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Don't get me started on how poorly a stunning number of games are optimized for multicore CPU's. Why the fuck this isn't the game dev equivalent of learning "C-A-T spells CAT" by now is beyond me.

Or how haptic feedback has been so completely neutered that the last time we had the real thing was when the Force Feedback joysticks with giant-ass motors ruled the roost.
 
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If we're talking US pricing, then this is wrong. A 6700xt is almost always cheaper. The 6700XT as a whole outperforms the 3060ti @ 1440p which is where you should be buying this type of card. Unless you're talking about memetracing.
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At least with what I've seen, 6700XT is almost 3070 performance at a good bit less cost. As for ray tracing, yeah I really couldn't care.

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@Freedom Fighter Are you a US shopper? Have a MC or somebody you know who does? If so, that $600 7900X combo is crazy and blows any other deal on the market out of the water right now.
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US Shopper, yes. Hadn't seen that combo, damn. Definitely gonna keep an eye out to see if that keeps going for a while.
 
Cpt. Stud Beefpile said:
Don't get me started on how poorly a stunning number of games are optimized for multicore CPU's. Why the fuck this isn't the game dev equivalent of learning "C-A-T spells CAT" by now is beyond me.

Or how haptic feedback has been so completely neutered that the last time we had the real thing was when the Force Feedback joysticks with giant-ass motors ruled the roost.
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I pretty much can answer that question from information dealing with said corporations I used to deal with. AND you are right about Multicore CPU not being fully optimized.

God. This fucking dates me bad. There was a time when you can literally created games and be profitable in it Garage Companies were the avant garde of the entire gaming industry. People put in their heart and soul into creating content. This started to change in the late 90's when the peanut counters took hold.

Everything is about number crunching.

Everything is about how many people are able can play the game with what tech they have. This is why you have region sales on product globally.

And literally right now it's almost a sweat shop atmosphere. Yes you can make some money it your are talented/famous within said industry. But what I have seen before I left that sector of the market are 80 hour work weeks and not secure employment.

And it is fucking worse for Q&A.

And finally the brainwashing of what Good is Good in video gaming. IMHO people have forgotten what a good game.

It is not always eye candy. The Cost for this eye candy has gotten higher and higher, taking away the most important aspect of the game.

What is the premise. The Storyline. The frameworks and the mechanics of the game.

I had an argument years back about this question. They eye candy and the people in question at the time wanted to give me games that would make money without the eye candy in cost.

Off of my head always comes with this one

Deer Hunter Classic. Reported to cost 100 grand in 1997. The fucking tens of millions it has made over the years. an example of a Garage Company in the 80's/90's before being bought out.

Super Hot is another money maker that IMHO cost little to play and It has a cool premise.

We can go on with LoL, DotA and many others where assets were wisely used to make that game.

But the problem is that people have been literally brain washed on the eye candy.

And IMHO that is where a lot of resources goes to.

And in this day and age it is not about optimization of tech. It is about the color of the coin.

But I do agree with you that there needs to be efficient optimization in gaming for the best performance possible.

I just hope I see improvement before I die of old age or illness/injury. Heh.
 
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I bought a EVGA 1080 TI SC 2 Hybrid with 11gb VRAM because prices for 20xx and 30xx cards are still stupid. Did I fuck up?
 
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Idk, depends how much you paid. 1080ti can still be a useful gpu, but pascal is showing it's age. I wouldn't want to spend more than $200 or so for a 1080ti atm.
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$140. It was running Darktide fine, and Sons of the Forest. Supposedly this thing supports Ray Tracing as well.
 
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