GPUs & CPUs & Enthusiast hardware: Questions, Discussion and fanboy slap-fights - Nvidia & AMD & Intel - Separe but Equal. Intel rides in the back of the bus.

[Susanna]

Probably putting a bunch of them into 2 HE servers for computation rather than display stuff?

You’d use a quadro for that though. The consumer line cards are much less effective at compute, they’re optimised for rasterisation.

 

[Generic Retard]

You’d use a quadro for that though. The consumer line cards are much less effective at compute, they’re optimised for rasterisation.

My Bad, I thought about the L40 or A6000. Those kinds of cards look tiny on photos but are full height apparently.

 

[ryuichi]

its simple:
Intel fucks AMD
NVIDIA fucks AMD
you can't have it the other way
Intel+NVIDIA is the way
AMD users just feel sorry for it
Intel drives this bus, NVIDIA navigates it
AMD wallows in the back of the bus

 

[DeadwastePrime]

its simple:
Intel fucks AMD
NVIDIA fucks AMD
you can't have it the other way
Intel+NVIDIA is the way
AMD users just feel sorry for it
Intel drives this bus, NVIDIA navigates it
AMD wallows in the back of the bus

>userbenchmark moment

 

[ryuichi]

>userbenchmark moment

Know that this rig beats any AMD crib

 

[Just Some Other Guy]

>userbenchmark moment

Intel users think that the more wattage a part uses, the better it is.

Man, how they used to brag about efficiency against bulldozer.

Intel. Bro, what happened?

 

[Freedom Fighter]

5600x update: few weeks in now. Way better than my 8600K (is that really a surprise?) AMD barely uses 30% utilization on the same games the Intel would peg at 100%

Fuckin good stuff bros. Now to save up for a 6700xt.
and power supply. and RAM. and storage. and case.

 

[Super Male Vitality]

Would like some opinions on my next PC build. I’m planning to build a new high end PC with a 4090, but not sure what CPU I should go with. I intend the PC to be for mostly gaming, but I do plan on utilizing adobe premiere and stable diffusion as a hobbyist. Im deciding between a 7950x3d and an 13700k. I’m leaning towards the 13700k due to price. Will the 13700k handicap a 4090 anytime soon? I’m also assuming I’m buying either CPU at msrp. Since im not building in the near future, I expect normal availability of the 7950x3d at time of build.

 

[Susanna]

Would like some opinions on my next PC build. I’m planning to build a new high end PC with a 4090, but not sure what CPU I should go with. I intend the PC to be for mostly gaming, but I do plan on utilizing adobe premiere and stable diffusion as a hobbyist. Im deciding between a 7950x3d and an 13700k. I’m leaning towards the 13700k due to price. Will the 13700k handicap a 4090 anytime soon? I’m also assuming I’m buying either CPU at msrp. Since im not building in the near future, I expect normal availability of the 7950x3d at time of build.

The X3D parts top out at eight cores. I’d wait for the 7800X3D if you want to do that, the 7950X3D doesn’t actually give you very much for what you pay extra, or otherwise get the standard 7950X. The strongest competitor for the 13700K at a comparable price is probably the 5800X3D.
Whether you need to pair a 4090 with an expensive CPU depends on your resolution and quality. 4K? Save the money, even a 3600 will keep up with the game. 1440p or 1080p? Ultra? Probably fine with a cheaper CPU. Low and pushing frame times for esports? Good CPU is more important.
Or if you’re playing strategy games, like Civ or Paradox titles, in which case CPU is everything. Stable Diffusion doesn’t particularly care about the CPU, it just likes GPUs with lots and lots of memory.

 

[TheRedChair]

The X3D parts top out at eight cores. I’d wait for the 7800X3D if you want to do that, the 7950X3D doesn’t actually give you very much for what you pay extra, or otherwise get the standard 7950X. The strongest competitor for the 13700K at a comparable price is probably the 5800X3D.
Whether you need to pair a 4090 with an expensive CPU depends on your resolution and quality. 4K? Save the money, even a 3600 will keep up with the game. 1440p or 1080p? Ultra? Probably fine with a cheaper CPU. Low and pushing frame times for esports? Good CPU is more important.
Or if you’re playing strategy games, like Civ or Paradox titles, in which case CPU is everything. Stable Diffusion doesn’t particularly care about the CPU, it just likes GPUs with lots and lots of memory.

I'm personally not buying this gens components. You are NOT getting the price, Performance, Value and most important WATTAGE increases.

You are getting your performance at the expense of Wattage. Bullshit.

I'll save the 5 grand to make my upgrade nd instead spend it on... STOCKS... BONDS... and CD's.

 

[Cpt. Stud Beefpile]

Can't wait to finally get my new TI into action on hashcat and rip through wordlists at 6x the speed. Might even make the bruteforce time on short strings into something reasonable.

 

[The Mass Shooter Ron Soye]

I'm personally not buying this gens components. You are NOT getting the price, Performance, Value and most important WATTAGE increases.

You are getting your performance at the expense of Wattage. Bullshit.

AMD raising the power limits for AM5 and desktop CPUs was reasonable, and they retain most of the performance if you limit the TDP.

Intel's power consumption can get horrible, but it's much lower in games than multi-threaded applications.

In both cases, the core counts are going so high that the mainstream CPUs can be used for "budget workstations". AMD will definitely go to between 24-32 cores on AM5, and some people will want to use all 230 Watts for that.

It's interesting how consistent the performance increase has been each generation for AMD:

AMD’s Zen 4, Part 2: Memory Subsystem and Conclusion

Please go through part 1 of our Zen 4 coverage, if you haven’t done so already. This article picks up where the previous one left off. To summarize, Zen 4 has made several moves in the fronte…

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Generation	Claimed IPC Improvement	Max Clock Speed	Clock Speed Increase * IPC Improvement
Zen 2 over Zen+	15%	4.7 GHz on 3950X (+9% over 2700X’s 4.3 GHz)	+25.3%
Zen 3 over Zen 2	19%	5.05 GHz on 5950X (+7.4% over 3950X)	+27.8%
Zen 4 over Zen 3	13%	5.7 GHz on 7950X (+12.8% over 5950X)	+27.4%

My guess is that Zen 5 will have a better IPC increase than Zen 4, and only a slight clock increase if TSMC's N4/N3 even makes it possible, to hit 6 GHz for marketing.

By all means, use your money for something else and let these increases compound and AM5 CPU/mobo prices fall. AM5 will have its Value moment... some day.

Can't wait to finally get my new TI into action on hashcat and rip through wordlists at 6x the speed. Might even make the bruteforce time on short strings into something reasonable.

Texas Instruments?

 

[Cpt. Stud Beefpile]

Texas Instruments?

Titanium edition. Hybrid cooler and everything.

 

[TheRedChair]

My reply to your Zen graph.

I own Zen through Zen 3. I will not buy a Zen 4 until the prices come down and it most likely will not for my tastes.

I have never seen these numbers in real life testing. To the point that I've sold my 2700X and kept my 1800X The 1800X was an outstanding CPU. Way ahead of it's time It was on the average 7-10% slower on my rig than the 2700X

There is also politics at play here as stated before. I DO NOT LIKE DR. LISA SU.

The whole core concept of the infinity fabric was to make CPU's cheaply. And that is all

This is also at the expense of Latency, which is why the Zen 4 CPU's are held back by their total true performance..

Finally I am not going to spend performance for wattage and heat issues. My Desktop is not going to be a secondary microwave oven.

Yea you can do some tweaks to make the Zen 4 run cooler. But so can you do with the rest of the previous CPU's

Think of it this way. I'm -30 PBO on my 5900 OEM. Not only did I get a 8% increase in performance I did it with a lot less voltage than a 5900X

I did it with my 1800X but only at -13PBO for a small performance hit but a cooler run.

Finally I fucking know a lot of "Quote" studies AMD/INTEL cherry picked the best and gave it out for review.

MAAAYBE I took a trip/talked to some of those sites that cherry picked CPU's and sold it for a premium.

Why in hell did you think I jumped all over the 5900OEM.
I runs freaking cool. So cool that I'm only using a HYPER T2 as my CPU cooler. Hottest registered @73 watts.

Entire wattage usage while playing video games (I have a watt meter directly to my computer) 192 watts all day long.

Again these are my opinions and my opinions alone but I'll just avoid the current generation. I do not believe they are going to drop anymore unless we suddenly go into a serious downturn. They are in my case not giving me that performance/wattage/heat/price That AMD was famous for.

 

[Just Some Other Guy]

Eh. To each their own. When I can get a brand new 7900x, mobo, and 32gb of ddr5 ram for $600, I consider that pretty good.

I paid more for a 5600x, mobo, and 16gb ram.

 

[JoseRaulChupacabra]

There is also politics at play here as stated before. I DO NOT LIKE DR. LISA SU.

I too am not on the bandwaggon of fellating CEOs, but I'm curious why you dislike her.

 

[The Mass Shooter Ron Soye]

I have never seen these numbers in real life testing. To the point that I've sold my 2700X and kept my 1800X The 1800X was an outstanding CPU. Way ahead of it's time It was on the average 7-10% slower on my rig than the 2700X

Finally I am not going to spend performance for wattage and heat issues. My Desktop is not going to be a secondary microwave oven.

The table doesn't compare Zen to Zen+, which was obviously a less impressive improvement from a 3% average IPC gain and ~6% clock boost. I just noticed that table when I was reading the article a couple days ago, and was surprised at how close the improvement has been 3 generations in a row. I guess the clock speeds are debatable since the 5950X ships at 4.9 GHz boost, but it was easy to get to 5.05 GHz IIRC.

I think I've seen some testing that showed 16-core 7950X multi-core performance dropping off comparatively more than 7700X/7900X at the lower TDPs like 35-65W. Which is exactly what you would expect. Even with node efficiency improvements, the new 170W TDP limit (230W PPT) is going to help when AMD goes beyond 16 cores on the socket. Especially if we see 32 cores.

I'm not trying to convince you to buy Zen 4, and I think most people on Zen 3 should just stay there until Zen 5 X3D/Zen 6/Zen 7 or Intel equivalents. It's more performance than most people need for gaming or work. @Just Some Other Guy is right about some of the recent deals that were knocking $200+ off the system price with free 32 GB DDR5 kits and CPU/mobo discounts. Mostly in America?

 

[ZMOT]

Mostly in America?

I know 1-2 german online stores do stuff like that as well, but not sure it's on the same level. iirc it's a general AMD promo.

 

[The Ugly One]

Would like some opinions on my next PC build. I’m planning to build a new high end PC with a 4090, but not sure what CPU I should go with. I intend the PC to be for mostly gaming, but I do plan on utilizing adobe premiere and stable diffusion as a hobbyist. Im deciding between a 7950x3d and an 13700k. I’m leaning towards the 13700k due to price.

The performance difference between the two chips is on the order of 10%-15% or so for efficiently threaded workloads, so if you're saving significant money, the i7 is fine. It's not a massive 3x+ difference you'll be kicking yourself over later. TBH, by the time these many-core architectures run into their performance ceilings, you're usually hitting memory bandwidth limits as well.

Will the 13700k handicap a 4090 anytime soon?

It will not handicap a 4090, ever. Think about it this way. An i7-13700k is barely faster than an i9-12900k, which was intel's most powerful consumer CPU in 2021. By the time high-end CPUs from 2021 are struggling with games, high-end GPUs will be struggling as well. You'll also be about ten years older by that point.

Hell, the CPU will probably outlive the GPU. An i7-3930K is still an entirely adequate gaming CPU in 2023, and it's twelve years old.

 

[The Mass Shooter Ron Soye]

Gigabyte claims next-generation AMD Ryzen AM5 desktop CPUs are coming later this year - VideoCardz.com

Update: Gigabyte has invalidated the previous claim, citing it was an error. The company does not know when exactly next Ryzen series will be released. Gigabyte confirms AM5 support for next-gen Ryzen CPUs An update to the AM5 platform should be launched this year. It looks like the 7000 and...

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Based on this, Ryzen 8000 (Zen 5 desktop CPUs codenamed Granite Ridge) might come out by the end of 2023, which is a little earlier than expected. Or it could just be some BS that slipped into a press release.