GPUs & CPUs & Enthusiast hardware: Questions, Discussion and fanboy slap-fights - Nvidia & AMD & Intel - Separe but Equal. Intel rides in the back of the bus.

[SandyCat]

What's the current year's Crysis?

Unironically Planetside 2 on ultra everything in a big battle. Despite the graphics and physics system being significantly downgraded years ago and despite it being released in 2012 it's so poorly optimized for new hardware no one can run it well unless you turn things like shadows off.

 

[The Ugly One]

You missed the point. The 6800 was always better at rasterization. Now its better at ray tracing. You know, the thing Nvidia has been banking everything on?

The script has been flipped just 1 generation later because of vram limitations.

I think we're talking past each other. My point is that gamers don't usually understand hardware very well, particularly the concept of bottlenecks. By all accounts, NVIDIA's RTX technology is better than AMD's RX technology. It's not so much better than you can cut the pixel fill rate by 25%, cut the memory bandwidth by 14%, and cut the texture fill rate by a full 40%, which is the 6800 vs 3070 gap, and expect better performance in all real applications. If your game is bandwidth or fillrate bound, the ~30% better FP32 performance of the 3070 isn't going to matter.

Is it that NUC? Aesthetics aside that's a seriously cool piece of kit.

Yes, the Alder Lake-based Beast Canyon. and the Catholic Church will not let me marry it, the bigots. I got the i9 so I could run pointless multithreading benchmarks for literally no real reason.

Unironically Planetside 2 on ultra everything in a big battle. Despite the graphics and physics system being significantly downgraded years ago and despite it being released in 2012 it's so poorly optimized for new hardware no one can run it well unless you turn things like shadows off.

Does it actually tax the hardware, or is it just a single-threaded piece of pajeetware?

 

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fuck me if 12 gbs of vram is not enough right now lmao. my 6700xt is starting to worry

 

[Just Some Other Guy]

fuck me if 12 gbs of vram is not enough right now lmao. my 6700xt is starting to worry

Nah 12gb is enough for what the 6700xt is expected to do.

 

[Car Won't Crank]

fuck me if 12 gbs of vram is not enough right now lmao. my 6700xt is starting to worry

My 2070 8gb is still working just fine for the games I play. Not many modern ones recently that are worth playing. It handles Cyberpunk 2077 at fairly high settings at 1440p quite well 40fps~.

 

[The Ugly One]

fuck me if 12 gbs of vram is not enough right now lmao. my 6700xt is starting to worry

Any game out now or in the next five years is going to have settings that allow it to run in 12 GBs of VRAM, or it's just not going to sell.

 

[Just Some Other Guy]

Any game out now or in the next few years is going to have settings that allow it to run in 12 GBs of VRAM, or it's just not going to sell.

Games have settings that allow them to play on 2gb. It depends on how much you want it to look like a ps2.

 

[The Ugly One]

Games have settings that allow them to play on 2gb. It depends on how much you want it to look like a ps2.

A PS2 had 0.004 GB of VRAM. I'm guessing in 2028, whatever settings in Battlefield X: Tranny Horsecock Edition are 3070-friendly will be a bit better than that.

 

[bifftango]

What's the current year's Crysis?

Your mom trying to squeeze herself into those leather pants.

 

[Smaug's Smokey Hole 2]

Any game out now or in the next five years is going to have settings that allow it to run in 12 GBs of VRAM, or it's just not going to sell.

And in the next five months Biden will tell China to knock if off or the US is not going to buy their goods.

 

[The Ugly One]

And in the next five months Biden will tell China to knock if off or the US is not going to buy their goods.

A game coming out in 5 years that is incompatible with a 4070 is like a game coming out today that is incompatible with a 2070. Steepest GPU min requirement I've seen in 2023 has been a Geforce 1070, which at this point is 7 years old.

 

[Post Reply]

No idea, and it gets better - I tried to update the AMD Software to the Adrenalin Edition, and now it's just fucking gone. I mean, it's installed on my system, the directories are full, but the application is now gone from view. Only thing available now is the AMD Bug Report Tool. AMD software is so horrible.

I got hit by that bug where the Adrenalin install bricks your Windows installation a few months ago. I find Nvidia's business practices pretty scummy but... it's rough out here.

 

[The Mass Shooter Ron Soye]

Considering how few gamers have brand-new hardware, if somebody's making a game in 2025 that won't run on a 2-year-old high-end desktop, that's somebody who's just not going to sell any software.

8gb is dead for midrange.

If you can play at 720p 30 FPS, then you have enough VRAM/performance for Steam Deck mode.

The 8 GB card owners can just learn to love 1080p again. Or 900p or whatever it ends up at.

Also 4070 reviews coming out. Yet more stagnation in price/performance, unless you only want to use dlss3.

It's not so bad. It will be worse when the $600 MSRP doesn't hold and the cards end up $100-200 higher.

 

[Bananadana]

The problem is not "it cant run it" (which will happen eventually, but i agree its years away) but "The GPU core could run 1440p high no issues but thanks to the VRAM you have to settle for 1080p medium instead."
Its less about absolute compatibility and more about not being able to utilize the core of the GPU to its maximum. Its about having textures just not load or asinine framedrops despite the game itself running just fine when its not bumping into the memory limit.

t. 970 owner who has gone through that exact experience over the last years.

 

[Susanna]

A game coming out in 5 years that is incompatible with a 4070 is like a game coming out today that is incompatible with a 2070. Steepest GPU min requirement I've seen in 2023 has been a Geforce 1070, which at this point is 7 years old.

There are also a lot more 1070s out there than there are 2070s. The 20-series never saw wide adoption. I wouldn't be surprised if developers are cool with skipping straight from 1070/1080 minimum reqs to 3080.

 

[Just Some Other Guy]

It's not so bad. It will be worse when the $600 MSRP doesn't hold and the cards end up $100-200 higher.

It's not "so bad", but nothing is good. It's just more stagnant "meh" in a generation designed to upsell people on the 4090. You can literally get a 6950XT for like, the same price as this card. You miss out on DLSS3 and...that's about it. While having double the vram.

As for "embracing 1080p", nobody is saying that's wrong. It's that the 3070 should not be reduced to this already. The 3070 should still be a midrange card, and now it either has to stop using RT, drop to 1080p, or gimp the settings.

I wish they'd do the same testing, but with a 6700XT.

 

[The Ugly One]

There are also a lot more 1070s out there than there are 2070s. The 20-series never saw wide adoption. I wouldn't be surprised if developers are cool with skipping straight from 1070/1080 minimum reqs to 3080.

There are enough 2000 series cards in the top 20 on Steam that prematurely dropping support would be crippling your sales. And given how hardware support windows keep stretching longer and longer, I would less surprised to see 2070 support last a full decade than to see it dropped before 2025.

Actually, when Sony retires the PS5 probably has more influence on when min specs shift significantly forward than anything else.

 

[Armor King]

So from what I've been seeing the 4070 reviews are basically "meh" which translated from grifter youtuber speak, it means that is terrible, but they can't outright say it because they don't want to miss those sweet, sweet early reviewer cards. Why would you charge 600$ for a card that should be, at the worst, 450$? Is this Nvidia realising that there are a lot of consoomers in the gpu market that would buy any piece of junk they shit out and fight people over it, so they take advantage of it?

I was on the fence but I'll definitely switch to AMD when the my 2070S is basically dead, not that AMD are saints themselves but with Nvidia if feels like I'm giving money to mobsters and drug traffickers.

 

[The Ugly One]

So from what I've been seeing the 4070 reviews are basically "meh" which translated from grifter youtuber speak, it means that is terrible, but they can't outright say it because they don't want to miss those sweet, sweet early reviewer cards. Why would you charge 600$ for a card that should be, at the worst, 450$? Is this Nvidia realising that there are a lot of consoomers in the gpu market that would buy any piece of junk they shit out and fight people over it, so they take advantage of it?

I was on the fence but I'll definitely switch to AMD when the my 2070S is basically dead, not that AMD are saints themselves but with Nvidia if feels like I'm giving money to mobsters and drug traffickers.

It seems like high-end equipment has really long coattails. "4090, FASTEST GPU ON THE PLANET" means people will just blindly by low and midrange NVIDIA GPUs without any inspection whatsoever into whether the GPU they're buying is best at that price point "because NVIDIA GPUs are faster than AMD GPUs." See the RX 6800 vs GeForce 3070 discussion above.

Same seems to happen with CPUs - the new Ryzen 7800 X3D is fast, and it's all over headlines right now. That doesn't automatically mean a down-market Ryzen CPU you're buying for $300 is better than a $300 Core, but people are likely to assume it is.

 

[Lone Wandering Courier]

So from what I've been seeing the 4070 reviews are basically "meh" which translated from grifter youtuber speak, it means that is terrible, but they can't outright say it because they don't want to miss those sweet, sweet early reviewer cards. Why would you charge 600$ for a card that should be, at the worst, 450$? Is this Nvidia realising that there are a lot of consoomers in the gpu market that would buy any piece of junk they shit out and fight people over it, so they take advantage of it?

I was on the fence but I'll definitely switch to AMD when the my 2070S is basically dead, not that AMD are saints themselves but with Nvidia if feels like I'm giving money to mobsters and drug traffickers.

The 4070 was even supposed to be $750 originally, despite really being a 4060