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Do the Pro models actually support "quad-channel" DDR5? The half-sized sub-channel thing does not count.

Love the back of that truck.
That's interesting, HWinfo and task manager both list it as quad channel and that's what the reviews I saw mentioned too.

Its this machine btw will have to see how it holds up long term, the last Thinkpad I had was plagued with issues, the Thinkpad brand really isn't what it was 10+ years ago.
 
I've been doing some googling and looks like others have had similar experiences with ddr5 machines and are speculating it takes longer for the bios to boot up with ddr5 for some reason. Anyone here have similar experience? It's pretty annoying that it takes almost three times longer for this thing to boot than my 10 year old ddr3 machine.
Feel free to correct me on this.
Anything that uses DDR5 needs more time to memory train at boot due to stricter timings and other technical jarbo like that. It is needed to make sure the ram works properly. It was a common thing when AM5 came out from what I read back then, 30-60 seconds boot times. It seems like MOBO manufacturers optimized this process and it is not as bad nowadays. You could check the laptop's BIOS for memory related settings, but I would be surprised if any laptop BIOS allows you to change anything nowadays.
PS. Definitely a sweet deal, specs look very good.
 
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So I went and bough a new laptop on eBay for about a third of the retail price and shockingly didn't get scammed. Though it's clearly one of those "fell off the back of a truck" cases, it was literally delivered in a plastic bag.

Anyway, it's got a Ryzen 5 6650 with quad channel DDR 5 ram. Way more powerful than any laptop I've had before but I've noticed it takes way longer to boot than any other machine I have, maybe close to a minute. The longest chunk of that is the machine getting to the manufacturer splash screen, after that it boots into windows in seconds.

I've been doing some googling and looks like others have had similar experiences with ddr5 machines and are speculating it takes longer for the bios to boot up with ddr5 for some reason. Anyone here have similar experience? It's pretty annoying that it takes almost three times longer for this thing to boot than my 10 year old ddr3 machine.
Probably not it but was it configured in the BIOS to wait before booting into an OS? I had good luck with resetting the BIOS.
 
So I went and bough a new laptop on eBay for about a third of the retail price and shockingly didn't get scammed. Though it's clearly one of those "fell off the back of a truck" cases, it was literally delivered in a plastic bag.

Anyway, it's got a Ryzen 5 6650 with quad channel DDR 5 ram. Way more powerful than any laptop I've had before but I've noticed it takes way longer to boot than any other machine I have, maybe close to a minute. The longest chunk of that is the machine getting to the manufacturer splash screen, after that it boots into windows in seconds.

I've been doing some googling and looks like others have had similar experiences with ddr5 machines and are speculating it takes longer for the bios to boot up with ddr5 for some reason. Anyone here have similar experience? It's pretty annoying that it takes almost three times longer for this thing to boot than my 10 year old ddr3 machine.

The CPU itself only has two memory channels. If the motherboard manufacturer bills it as "quad channel," they're just putting two DIMMs per channel and calling it "quad channel," but it doesn't actually have more system bandwidth.
 
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So I went and bough a new laptop on eBay for about a third of the retail price and shockingly didn't get scammed. Though it's clearly one of those "fell off the back of a truck" cases, it was literally delivered in a plastic bag.

Anyway, it's got a Ryzen 5 6650 with quad channel DDR 5 ram. Way more powerful than any laptop I've had before but I've noticed it takes way longer to boot than any other machine I have, maybe close to a minute. The longest chunk of that is the machine getting to the manufacturer splash screen, after that it boots into windows in seconds.

I've been doing some googling and looks like others have had similar experiences with ddr5 machines and are speculating it takes longer for the bios to boot up with ddr5 for some reason. Anyone here have similar experience? It's pretty annoying that it takes almost three times longer for this thing to boot than my 10 year old ddr3 machine.
I'd first check to see if the laptop somehow got it's ssd replaced with a hdd when it fell off the truck, then check for firmware updates.
 
Has anyone here bought an ex-mining GPU? how did it go?

Also I been looking at refurbished GPUs on AE, they look ok but something tells me if I get a lemon I'm not getting my money back.
 
Has anyone here bought an ex-mining GPU? how did it go?

Also I been looking at refurbished GPUs on AE, they look ok but something tells me if I get a lemon I'm not getting my money back.
I got a rx-5700 that used to be for mining. I think they may be fine, miners are cheap and did the math and realized downclocking their GPUs so they last longer makes them have more resale value. that's why those miner-specific GPUs that had no video out ports failed so badly.
 
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Has anyone here bought an ex-mining GPU? how did it go?

Also I been looking at refurbished GPUs on AE, they look ok but something tells me if I get a lemon I'm not getting my money back.
I haven’t bought a miner GPU, but I have used my own mining GPUs for games etc, and they’ve been fine. Mining is very light on the GPU but intensive on the memory, and the way most of us ran them was downclocked as far as it would go with the memory slightly overclocked but not overvolted and the fans at full blast constantly. Miner GPUs are fine, constant high loads actually don’t cause very much wear, it’s constantly switching between high load and no load that will do damage (by way of constant thermal expansion and contraction). You have to go well over a hundred degrees to damage silicon just from heat, and miners don’t do that because it would quickly render vapour chambers ineffective.
 
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realized downclocking their GPUs so they last longer makes them have more resale value.
I thought they downclocked them because it made no difference in hashing and it used way less power? use too much and there goes your profit margin. Some dudes were moving operations to the middle of nowhere near a powerplant to get cheaper watts.
I haven’t bought a miner GPU, but I have used my own mining GPUs for games etc, and they’ve been fine. Mining is very light on the CPU but intensive on the memory, and the way most of us ran them was downclocked as far as it would go with the memory slightly overclocked but not overvolted and the fans at full blast constantly. Miner GPUs are fine, constant high loads actually don’t cause very much wear, it’s constantly switching between high load and no load that will do damage (by way of constant thermal expansion and contraction). You have to go well over a hundred degrees to damage silicon just from heat, and miners don’t do that because it would quickly render vapour chambers ineffective.
Most of these miners cards are coming from guys who had entire warehouses of them, specially the ones for sale at AE, so who knows.

As for damage what I heard is that the capacitors might be busted, no idea if there's more coil whine and if that's an indicator of that.
 
As for damage what I heard is that the capacitors might be busted, no idea if there's more coil whine and if that's an indicator of that.
Coil whine generally doesn’t amplify with use, it actually dampens. But I wouldn’t worry about it, mining GPUs are fine.

I didn’t have a warehouse, but I did have four 3080s in my NAS for a while. One is with my nephew now and as far as I know it still works fine. Another is in my husband’s computer, it too works fine.
 
I just replaced the CPU bracket on my Alder Lake box with one of these bad boys, and the CPU package temp has dropped from 70 C to 53 C while just posting racist trannyhate on the world's most banned forum.


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TL;DR, Intel should have had a mechanical engineer on staff to advise them that rectangular chips will have anisotropic thermal stresses and therefore will require a different mounting solution. Frankly, I'm shocked at how huge a difference this is making. If you have a 12th or 13th gen Intel CPU, you really need one of these brackets.
They also make them for AM5 fwiw. Useless for any temp dropping reasons, but I guess they help keep paste out of the little notches and look kind of cool I guess.
 
Has anyone here bought an ex-mining GPU? how did it go?
I've put a lot of mined Polaris cards into builds. They're usually fine, at least short-term. Probably around the same rate as new ones, as AMD cards in general have more issues.

My general rule is if it's a stopgap GPU, go used and cheap as possible.
 
Upgrading from my AMD 3800x to a 5800x3d for Starfield and giving my pc its final form till 2026 or so. I got a Unicorn. fresh bios, old mobo (b550-f gaming wifi rev1), all overclocking/PBO/etc turned off. Fresh Windows 11 newest DEV, no Ryzen Master.
 

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Feel free to correct me on this.
Anything that uses DDR5 needs more time to memory train at boot due to stricter timings and other technical jarbo like that. It is needed to make sure the ram works properly. It was a common thing when AM5 came out from what I read back then, 30-60 seconds boot times. It seems like MOBO manufacturers optimized this process and it is not as bad nowadays. You could check the laptop's BIOS for memory related settings, but I would be surprised if any laptop BIOS allows you to change anything nowadays.
PS. Definitely a sweet deal, specs look very good.
speaking of DDR5, any point in going with that yet?
haven't really been keeping up, so no idea how mature and affordable the tech is or if it's still nvidia gimmick tier. otherwise I'd just grab an am4 board and a zen3 amd re-use my old ram...
 
Is any of your guys' hardware /endgame/, do you think?
Mine might be? I don't really plan to do much gaming in the future that requires higher specs, and all indications are that equivalent hardware will be available in more compact systems like prebuilts or even Steam Deck equivalents.
 
Is any of your guys' hardware /endgame/, do you think?
Apple Silicon is damn good, so I might actually be reaching the point of switching to a MacBook Pro Ultra workstation with my current workstation becoming a server for crunching the biggest numbers in the future. Games actually are the biggest issue there. I can easily run new releases I’m kind of interested in like BG3 or Starfield on my x86 linux workstation, but Mac support seems rather far off. Most of my older favourites work fine though so I guess one solution is to just game on the server if it comes to that.

We’ll see once the M3 or M4 are out, since that’s probably about when I’m going to be upgrading.
 
Is any of your guys' hardware /endgame/, do you think?
I'm at the endgame with mine. I can't go further and won't even try upgrading until at least amd 9000 series.
This wasn't all at once, but over the course of about 2 years:

CPU: AMD 5800x3d - Noctua NT-H1 Thermal Paste
Mobo: Asus B550-F Gaming Wifi Rev.1
GPU: sapphire pulse R7900XT 20G
Cooler: Noctua NH-U12S Redux With an extra NF-P12 Noctua PWM Redux
Memory: 32GB RipjawsV 3600 cl14
SSD1: SKHynix Gold P31 500gb
SSD2: SKHynix Gold P31 2TB
PSU: EVGA Supernova 850GT Gold
Case: Fractal Design Meshify 2 Compact Smoked Glass with 5 140mm Noctua NF-P14 PWM Redux
Archive: Terramaster D2-310 Raid 1 - USB 3.0 Dual WD 16TB Hard Disks

---when I write it all out like this I'm simultaneously impressed and very sad.
 
My SO's son is finally getting good internet so came to me to help him pick out parts. He's 20 and has a damn good job so when I asked his budget and he said $4000 I died a little inside.

He walked into Microcenter and spent $4100

CPU: i9 13900k
Mobo: Asus Z790 TUF
GPU: 4090 liquid cooled
RAM 32gb DDR5
Case: O11 Dynamic
PSU 1000w Plat
SSD 2 2tb m.2

Had Microcenter build it and a $400 warranty.

Meanwhile I'm sitting here with a Ryzen 1700 and AMD RX480.
 
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