GPUs & CPUs & Enthusiast hardware: Questions, Discussion and fanboy slap-fights - Nvidia & AMD & Intel - Separe but Equal. Intel rides in the back of the bus.

[The Mass Shooter Ron Soye]

Is any of your guys' hardware /endgame/, do you think?

As long as I don't game, just shitpost, archive, watch videos, etc. my current hardware is more than enough. I can get enough hardware for that for under $150. I could get a refurbished Raptor Lake system in the distant future when those are cheap and swap the DDR4 kit I already have into it.

I'll take a strong look at a 16-core, 40 CU Strix Halo mini PC. I'm sure that could last for up to a decade or until it breaks. The only point of contention for me would be AI, but it would have a powerful iGPU using a potentially huge LPDDR5/DDR5 RAM pool as VRAM, as well as a 40 TOPS XDNA accelerator. So it could be unexpectedly great there after we jump the hurdle of AMD sucking at software.

He walked into Microcenter and spent $4100

For that price he should be walking out with 64-128 GB of DDR5 lulz

 

[Dollar Store Sentai]

I think the biggest kicker was he has no plans on overclocking his system. Doesn't want it to burn out faster by doing it. THEN WHY ON EARTH GET A K SKU AND OVERCLOCKING MOTHERBOARD?!? WHY GET A WATERCOOLED 4090?!? He doesn't even have a monitor able to run the 4090 full bore and balked when I told him what he should get since it was "expensive"

But hey, I got to meet Jayz2cents and Austin Evans because they were doing builds for the grand opening.

 

[Premium Dog Food]

speaking of DDR5, any point in going with that yet?
haven't really been keeping up, so no idea how mature and affordable the tech is or if it's still nvidia gimmick tier. otherwise I'd just grab an am4 board and a zen3 amd re-use my old ram...

I haven't really kept up either. At a cursory glance, DDR5 prices are still higher than DDR4 but not by much, while offering little to none performance uplift. To that you have to add longer boot times due to memory training, higher MOBO cost for AM5, the fact that both AM5 and DDR5 are "new" technologies so they may also have obscure issues.
In my opinion, it would be wise to skip first generation stuff, issues tend to be ironed out as platforms mature.
I have no clue about intel side of things, but I doubt they have better offerings.

 

[seri0us]

Meanwhile I'm sitting here with a Ryzen 1700 and AMD RX480.

Hardware never gets "old", it merely becomes "mature".

 

[Nottafed]

My SO's son is finally getting good internet so came to me to help him pick out parts. He's 20 and has a damn good job so when I asked his budget and he said $4000 I died a little inside.

He walked into Microcenter and spent $4100

CPU: i9 13900k
Mobo: Asus Z790 TUF
GPU: 4090 liquid cooled
RAM 32gb DDR5
Case: O11 Dynamic
PSU 1000w Plat
SSD 2 2tb m.2

Had Microcenter build it and a $400 warranty.

Meanwhile I'm sitting here with a Ryzen 1700 and AMD RX480.

thats such a waste just for everyday use, now I don't feel so bad. I'd be obligated to do something really cool with that kind of power. hell, maybe just rent it out and let kids come play games on it for $25/hr. I bet Cyberpunk looks amazing though Those liquid 4090's can do something close to 700watts I think.

 

[The Ugly One]

My SO's son is finally getting good internet so came to me to help him pick out parts. He's 20 and has a damn good job so when I asked his budget and he said $4000 I died a little inside.

He walked into Microcenter and spent $4100

CPU: i9 13900k
Mobo: Asus Z790 TUF
GPU: 4090 liquid cooled
RAM 32gb DDR5
Case: O11 Dynamic
PSU 1000w Plat
SSD 2 2tb m.2

Had Microcenter build it and a $400 warranty.

Meanwhile I'm sitting here with a Ryzen 1700 and AMD RX480.

Make sure to get that all-around bracket I linked earlier.

https://www.amazon.com/Thermalright-Intel12th13th-Generation-Anti-Bending-Installation/dp/B0B5Q5ZWNQ

I think the biggest kicker was he has no plans on overclocking his system. Doesn't want it to burn out faster by doing it. THEN WHY ON EARTH GET A K SKU AND OVERCLOCKING MOTHERBOARD?!? WHY GET A WATERCOOLED 4090?!? He doesn't even have a monitor able to run the 4090 full bore and balked when I told him what he should get since it was "expensive"

The i9-13900k comes out of the box "overclocked" relative to the i9-13900. i9-13900 is 65W, 2.0-5.6 GHz, i9-13900k is 125W, 3.0-5.8 GHz. It won't, you know, actually matter in the slightest bit for games.

 

[Almighty Space Duck]

I think the biggest kicker was he has no plans on overclocking his system. Doesn't want it to burn out faster by doing it. THEN WHY ON EARTH GET A K SKU AND OVERCLOCKING MOTHERBOARD?!?

The i9-13900k comes out of the box "overclocked" relative to the i9-13900. i9-13900 is 65W, 2.0-5.6 GHz, i9-13900k is 125W, 3.0-5.8 GHz. It won't, you know, actually matter in the slightest bit for games.

It's probably a lot more than the 125W.

Since the Haswell (4xxx) days most all motherboard vendors juice the voltage/clocks on Intel systems through their default setting of MultiCore Enhancement with ASUS being one of the most aggressive with their default settings. This normally manifests as having all core turbo being the same clock as single core turbo and overriding the time limit for the highest turbo power levels. Across his 8 P Cores this will add up.
That screen grab is taken from the motherboard manual - https://dlcdnets.asus.com/pub/ASUS/mb/13MANUAL/PRIME_PROART_TUF_GAMING_INTEL_700_Series_BIOS_EM_WEB_EN.pdf?model=TUF GAMING Z790-PLUS WIFI - Page 8.

Looks like he will be overclocking whether he likes it or not.

 

[Dollar Store Sentai]

Looks like he will be overclocking whether he likes it or not.

Honestly, that makes me feel a bit better. (More familiar with the AMD side of things, so assumed it was like the old days where the K sku was a waste if you weren't going to OC it)

I bet Cyberpunk looks amazing though

It was one of the games he mentioned wanting to pick up, so very curious on what it will look like myself.

 

[Freedom Fighter]

i9-13900 is 65W, 2.0-5.6 GHz, i9-13900k is 125W, 3.0-5.8 GHz.

For PL1, yes. PL2 will go up to 219w for the 13900
13900K PL2 will go to 253w

 

[Pee Cola]

If you have a broken RTX 4090, this guy can fix it. His board repair skills are some of the best I've ever seen.

 

[The Ugly One]

It's probably a lot more than the 125W.

IDK, I was just looking at the base TDP of the chips. Point just being that you don't have to do any fiddling with the k to make to go faster than a non-k. You can fiddle, but you don't have to. FWIW, I have a non-k, is fine, why you needing to put gay American foregrip dildo on rifle of Kalashnikov?

 

[Judge Dredd]

Looking for CPU + cooler advice.

I have a 5600x. I was told the stock cooler is more than good enough unless you're overclocking. I'm running stock so kept with the stock cooler. Nearly a year later, and I'm getting thermal throttle issues that can't be explained on edge cases. If I play high end emulators, throttle. Remnant 2 and there's more than a few enemies around, throttle.

What's interesting is that CPU intensive tasks like video rendering hover around the mid 80s, but mentioned games will pin the CPU to 95 degrees, where it manifest as stuttering. Once the game is off (or the action intensive scene is over) it will cool down to idle in just a few seconds.

The obvious answer is to buy a new cooler. I'm not sure how far I should go. Full water cooling job, or just a beefy air cooler. Any recommendations are welcome. I'm also considering going all in and buying a 5800x3D since they're cheaper than they used to be and gaming is where I'm running into these problems.

Repasted my Boy for the first time!

I always thought re-paste was a gimmick for those that want to burn money. Maybe I should invest in high end paste?

In my infinite magnanimity, I'm going to show some screenshots. My laptop has a 3050 Ti Mobile with 4 GB, so it needs all the help it can get, really. The screen is only 1080p, so no 4K screenshots

Upscalling is unjustly hated. It's on by default in Remnant 2, and even the "inferior" AMD upscaling is not noticeable. I only notice artifacting on the title screen and some smoke in the background on one stage. I can't measure framerate difference because, as mentioned, my CPU is the bottleneck. But I don't notice a graphical difference during gameplay. I don't even know what resolution it's upscaling from.

 

[The Backwards Man]

Looking for CPU + cooler advice.

I have a 5600x. I was told the stock cooler is more than good enough unless you're overclocking. I'm running stock so kept with the stock cooler. Nearly a year later, and I'm getting thermal throttle issues that can't be explained on edge cases. If I play high end emulators, throttle. Remnant 2 and there's more than a few enemies around, throttle.

What's interesting is that CPU intensive tasks like video rendering hover around the mid 80s, but mentioned games will pin the CPU to 95 degrees, where it manifest as stuttering. Once the game is off (or the action intensive scene is over) it will cool down to idle in just a few seconds.

The obvious answer is to buy a new cooler. I'm not sure how far I should go. Full water cooling job, or just a beefy air cooler. Any recommendations are welcome. I'm also considering going all in and buying a 5800x3D since they're cheaper than they used to be and gaming is where I'm running into these problems.

My workshop computer runs a hand-me-down 5600x with a Noctua NH-U12S, idle temps are around high 20's to low 30's and I've never really seen it get over 60c under load (though the fact that my workshop is usually pretty cold year round might be a big factor). I would only reccomend the stock AMD cooler for Ryzen 3's or below.

I wouldn't go with water cooling for anything lower than 8 cores if you dont plan on doing much overclocking.

 

[ZMOT]

The obvious answer is to buy a new cooler. I'm not sure how far I should go. Full water cooling job, or just a beefy air cooler. Any recommendations are welcome. I'm also considering going all in and buying a 5800x3D since they're cheaper than they used to be and gaming is where I'm running into these problems.

the bigger question is what your airflow looks like, the best cooler can't do it's job properly if all it does is choke on hot air it can't get rid off. stock cooler usually is enough but requires a proper airflow compared to big brick coolers which contribute their own and are more tolerant.

also assuming you got rid of dust and other stuff.

Meanwhile I'm sitting here with a Ryzen 1700 and AMD RX480.

FINE
WINE

 

[Susanna]

5600x

Check the paste. Chances are the cooler itself is still fine.
Otherwise, just about any small air cooler will be enough. I've used a Noctua L9a on my server, which uses a 5700G, and that never goes over 60 degrees even during load. And the L9a is an extra-low-profile cooler for small form factor cases, so it's really not much more powerful than the stock cooler.

 

[BPD Gunt Rider]

Is any of your guys' hardware /endgame/, do you think?

I've sufficiently maxed out my Zen 3 build.

5600X, 3060 Ti, 32GB Vipers, 30TB storage.

Current gen of CPU + GPU doesn't excite me at all.

My guess for my next build will be 2026 when Zen 6/RTX 6000s release and I'll get whatever mid-range components are best value then.

 

[Freedom Fighter]

I always thought re-paste was a gimmick for those that want to burn money. Maybe I should invest in high end paste?

Eh, I just used Arctic MX-4. Still working great so far.

 

[cybertoaster]

I've put a lot of mined Polaris cards into builds. They're usually fine, at least short-term. Probably around the same rate as new ones, as AMD cards in general have more issues.

My general rule is if it's a stopgap GPU, go used and cheap as possible.

Why I get the feelings these things are a timebomb? why stopgap? how long would these last?

I would go with an nvidia card because I want to do AI stuff but don't want to give that asshole jensen huang even a nickel

My SO's son

You mean "my wife's son"?

i9 13900k

Who buys intel now? is like buying a P4 when the Athlon XP launched.

Had Microcenter build it

PATHETIC.

 

[seri0us]

I knew a retard who would mine cards into the ground and sell them once they started to die. Not too sure what happened when the buyers complained, he never liked to talk about that part.

 

[cybertoaster]

I knew a retard who would mine cards into the ground and sell them once they started to die. Not too sure what happened when the buyers complained, he never liked to talk about that part.

I thought they undervolted and underclocked these because it made no difference to run all max during mining? how you destroy these besides running 24/7?