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It caused a lot of stuttering on my friend's 1060(Ti?) in Diablo IV as well. Every time a few monsters would appear, the game would hitch up. Turn off FSR 2.1, and it ran fine. It has the feel to me of an algorithm whose complexity can grow extremely large in pathological cases. More naive upscaling, like just dropping the internal resolution (i.e. linear) and FSR 1 don't have this problem. CAS also has the problem.
 
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Here's a fun example showing memory bottleneck even at 1080p:
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4060ti 8gb is beat by 3060 and nearly matched by a 2060. The 16gb model pulls away significantly.
 
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7600
Navi 33		6700 XT
Navi 22		7700 XT
Navi 32		6800 XT
Navi 21		7800 XT
Navi 32		7900 GRE
Navi 31
Compute Units32 CUs40 CUs54 CUs72 CUs60 CUs80 CUs
Clocks (MHz)1720 base
2655 boost		2321 base
2581 boost		2171 "game"
2544 boost		1825 base
2250 boost		2124 "game"
2430 boost		1270 base
2245 boost
VRAM8 GB12 GB12 GB16 GB16 GB16 GB
Memory18 GT/s
288 GB/s (128-bit)		16 GT/s
384 GB/s (192-bit)		18 GT/s
432 GB/s (192-bit)		16 GT/s
512 GB/s (256-bit)		19.5 GT/s
624 GB/s (256-bit)		18 GT/s
576 GB/s (256-bit)
Infinity Cache32 MB (2nd Gen)96 MB (1st Gen)48 MB (2nd Gen)128 MB (1st Gen)64 MB (2nd Gen)64 MB (2nd Gen)
TBP/TDP165 W230 W245 W300 W263 W260 W
Price (USD)$269 MSRP$479 MSRP
$330-ish now		???$649 MSRP
$520-ish now		???$649 MSRP

Actual announcements in a few hours.
 
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The Mass Shooter Ron Soye said:

7600
Navi 33		6700 XT
Navi 22		7700 XT
Navi 32		6800 XT
Navi 21		7800 XT
Navi 32		7900 GRE
Navi 31
Compute Units32 CUs40 CUs54 CUs72 CUs60 CUs80 CUs
Clocks (MHz)1720 base
2655 boost		2321 base
2581 boost		2171 "game"
2544 boost		1825 base
2250 boost		2124 "game"
2430 boost		1270 base
2245 boost
VRAM8 GB12 GB12 GB16 GB16 GB16 GB
Memory18 GT/s
288 GB/s (128-bit)		16 GT/s
384 GB/s (192-bit)		18 GT/s
432 GB/s (192-bit)		16 GT/s
512 GB/s (256-bit)		19.5 GT/s
624 GB/s (256-bit)		18 GT/s
576 GB/s (256-bit)
Infinity Cache32 MB (2nd Gen)96 MB (1st Gen)48 MB (2nd Gen)128 MB (1st Gen)64 MB (2nd Gen)64 MB (2nd Gen)
TBP/TDP165 W230 W245 W300 W263 W260 W
Price (USD)$269 MSRP$479 MSRP
$330-ish now		???$649 MSRP
$520-ish now		???$649 MSRP

Actual announcements in a few hours.
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Pricing:
7700XT $450
7800XT $500
7700XT is a hard L, 7800XT seems good.
 
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7800XT is in a good enough spot im considering returning my new 7900XT and saving 250$ - I just want to play starfield in 4k and make stoopid boomer AI art.
 
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Pricing:
7700XT $450
7800XT $500
7700XT is a hard L, 7800XT seems good.
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That was the exact opposite of the sentiment earlier because everyone expected the 7800 XT to cost more. "wow the 7700 XT looks strong, wtf this 7800 XT is weak". But the street pricing is what matters. The $900 price of the 7900 XT did not hold. AMD will consistently launch at dumb MSRPs and let the market fix it.
 
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Gamers Nexus found the 7800 XT to be slower than the 6800 XT on average, while Hardware Unboxed found it slightly faster. It has lower power consumption than the 6800 XT in both reviews. It compares favorably to the RTX 4070 for the most part, and especially to the 4060 Ti 16 GB, which has received a $50 price cut. They should have 7700 XT reviews later today.

Ars Technica 7800 XT + 7700 XT review
Phoronix 7800 XT + 7700 XT (Linux) review
Tom's Hardware 7800 XT review (but also includes 7700 XT) (Stable Diffusion pg. 8)
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Call me retarded, but if I had the money to buy a GPU, I'd pick up a 7800XT.
Assuming 6800XTs are out of stock by then, just seems like the best value choice.

Damn, that's depressing, isn't it?
 
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Call me retarded, but if I had the money to buy a GPU, I'd pick up a 7800XT.
Assuming 6800XTs are out of stock by then, just seems like the best value choice.

Damn, that's depressing, isn't it?
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I would just go balls to the wall and get a 4090 and a powerful psu with it. There is literally nothing else on the market worth buying.
 
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Freedom Fighter said:
Call me retarded, but if I had the money to buy a GPU, I'd pick up a 7800XT.
Assuming 6800XTs are out of stock by then, just seems like the best value choice.

Damn, that's depressing, isn't it?
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If the 6800 XT isn't considered bad at ~$500, then the 7800 XT also isn't bad at $500.

It's worth waiting a while to see where 7700 XT and 7800 XT prices drop to. Navi 32 (7800 XT) uses a lot less silicon than Navi 21 (6800 XT) so I could see some drops.

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I would just go balls to the wall and get a 4090 and a powerful psu with it. There is literally nothing else on the market worth buying.
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Depends on what you have and what your performance targets are. I'd probably just get a 6700 XT, which would be a massive upgrade for me. 4090 is an otherwise unreachable level of performance, but is not better price/perf than a 7900 XTX or any other card.
 
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To be totally honest if you're only interested in this generation then sure. The 7800XT is fine. It's cheaper than the 6800XT launch price. It only really looks kind of shitty if you're already on like a 6800XT.

Compare it to a 3070 with a $500 launch price....lol.
 
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The Backwards Man said:
I would just go balls to the wall and get a 4090 and a powerful psu with it. There is literally nothing else on the market worth buying.
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I got an open box 4080 for $800 locally on labor day sale. I can't even think of what I'd need a 4090 for.
 
Does the “newer gen performs one tier up” adage still hold? My 6900XT runs Starfield just fine on 4k Ultra so if it does hold then the 7800XT should perform the same and be perfectly fine for high end 2023 gaming.

Now, true, it is probably using FSR2 to do this, but I’ve looked for the signs of upscaling and seen nothing, and this is on a 48” monitor I’m sitting quite close to, so like, does it matter if it is cheating when I can’t even tell?
 
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The Mass Shooter Ron Soye said:
If the 6800 XT isn't considered bad at ~$500, then the 7800 XT also isn't bad at $500.
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This is not how it works, or at least not how it should work.
The idea is that we would have a generational jump combined with either lower or similar pricing. Like the 970 and the 1070 cards. Back in the day, AMD (ATI) also achived this with cards like the HD4850 which forced some pricing shifts for Nvidia's mid range which was kinda stuck in refining the 8800 series in smaller manufacturing nodes/lower prices, as they were unable to launch some mid/low end GTX280/260 cards
 
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This is not how it works, or at least not how it should work.
The idea is that we would have a generational jump combined with either lower or similar pricing. Like the 970 and the 1070 cards. Back in the day, AMD (ATI) also achived this with cards like the HD4850 which forced some pricing shifts for Nvidia's mid range which was kinda stuck in refining the 8800 series in smaller manufacturing nodes/lower prices, as they were unable to launch some mid/low end GTX280/260 cards
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That's how it works for this gen. Notice that AMD is laser focused on having the 7800 XT compared with the 4070, and the 7700 XT with the 4060 Ti 16 GB.

Nvidia didn't bring the heat, so neither did AMD. Although AMD also had a problem with RDNA3 not meeting its performance targets and last minute marketing before 7900 XT(X) launches.
 
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