GPUs & CPUs & Enthusiast hardware: Questions, Discussion and fanboy slap-fights - Nvidia & AMD & Intel - Separe but Equal. Intel rides in the back of the bus.

AMD reportedly launching Ryzen 7 5700X3D AM4 CPU in Q1 2024

More confirmation of poverty X3D coming.

Ironically I think one of my favourite "laptop replacement" ideas has only ever actually been implemented by a low-end Android manufacturer. Basically the idea is that for most people, a work laptop is more than is usually needed, while a work phone often isn't enough. So have a work phone you can plug into a dock at a desk, which has a displayport to connect a monitor, and a USB port to plug in a mouse and keyboard. So basically your phone charger turns the phone into your office computer. Phones do have enough compute power to do 99% of office work, so it would be a good way to cut down on costs, and could let you easily bring work with you for presentations or to work from home. But obviously the idea never caught on.
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The US government may be putting an end to Nvidia's sneaky chinky plans:

US Commerce Secretary Says Any AI Chips Designed To Circumvent Restrictions On China Will Be Banned The Very Next Day
We cannot let China get these chips. Period. We’re going to deny them our most cutting-edge technology. I have a $200 million budget. That’s like the cost of a few fighter jets.

Come on, If we’re serious, let’s go fund this operation like it needs to be funded.
I know there are CEOs of chip companies in this audience who were a little cranky with me when I did that because you’re losing revenue. Such is life. Protecting our national security matters more than short-term revenue.
If you redesign a chip around a particular cut line that enables them to do AI, I’m going to control it the very next day.
- US Commerce Secretary Gina Raimondo

Meanwhile Faceebook's AI man takes a shot at Jensen:

NVIDIA is Supplying Weapons For The Ongoing AI War, Says Meta’s Chief Scientist
 
and a high-end x86 CPU with a mid-range GPU will trounce the M2 Ultra easily.

Not in bandwidth-limited applications, which includes lots of things you'd actually want all those cores for are. A lot of those synthetic benchmarks are compute-bound, not bandwidth-bound, so the highest core count wins. However, at the high end of compute, you run into a lot of applications that are heavy on the sparse linear algebra, which is bandwidth-bound. Since M2 Ultra has over 800 GB/s of main memory bandwidth, it can keep all 24 cores busy doing that kind of work, while a Core or Ryzen can't.

Let's just say guys I know who do very cool things have switched their whole office from x86 to Mac because of how good the performance is.

Not a great combination. Ryzen thrives on high-frequency memory, and user replaceable SODIMM means you're on 5600MT/s, if not (shudder) 4800MT/s.

My laptop just has DDR5-4800 and doesn't have any trouble hitting 60 fps/1080p on the iGPU, some games at 90 fps. Although maybe I could up the texture resolution with more bandwidth. It does need to use the dGPU to hit 144 Hz, but then the laptop cooks me alive, so I never run that fast.
 
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Not in bandwidth-limited applications, which includes lots of things you'd actually want all those cores for are. A lot of those synthetic benchmarks are compute-bound, not bandwidth-bound, so the highest core count wins. However, at the high end of compute, you run into a lot of applications that are heavy on the sparse linear algebra, which is bandwidth-bound. Since M2 Ultra has over 800 GB/s of main memory bandwidth, it can keep all 24 cores busy doing that kind of work, while a Core or Ryzen can't.

Let's just say guys I know who do very cool things have switched their whole office from x86 to Mac because of how good the performance is.

It’s a real shame that nobody seems to have that combination of battery life and performance as the MacBooks have currently.

Can anyone recommend an Intel machine that has the same combination of long ass battery life and weight/size?


The US government may be putting an end to Nvidia's sneaky chinky plans:

US Commerce Secretary Says Any AI Chips Designed To Circumvent Restrictions On China Will Be Banned The Very Next Day



- US Commerce Secretary Gina Raimondo

Meanwhile Faceebook's AI man takes a shot at Jensen:

NVIDIA is Supplying Weapons For The Ongoing AI War, Says Meta’s Chief Scientist

Lol! They’re all taped out at TSMC’s plants right next to China, and they really think they’ll have problems getting a hold of them?

(Worst case scenario, they’ll buy some in Europe and ship them East. The Chinese know how to invest when it comes to important things.)

It’s a shame that there doesn’t seem to be a single functioning brain in the Biden administration.

Works on my device, it is hit or miss. Some brands have decent firmware, others are dogshit. I'm using Lenovo Legion with R7 4800H.

The Legions look really good, and have quite a bit of power. I tried playing MSFS with a VR helmet running on one of those recently, which is pretty impressive imho.

The only other gaming laptop I’m considering would be an Asus Tuf. Comes with a 3050 laptop gpu, and at around 600$ which seems like a good deal.
 
It’s a real shame that nobody seems to have that combination of battery life and performance as the MacBooks have currently.

Can anyone recommend an Intel machine that has the same combination of long ass battery life and weight/size?
Lenovo ThinkPad X13s
Snapdragon 8cx Gen 3
Up to 28 hours 49.5 Whr (Video playback)
Starting at 1.06kg / 2.35lbs
 
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These "new" X3D chips are just worse binned 5800X3Ds that AMD didn't want to throw out, right? There's no way AMD is fabricating new AM4 chips with AM5 being out this long.
AMD could be contractually obligated to make new chiplets to service Zen 3 (Milan) Epyc customers for a relatively long time, in which case they would continue to obtain slightly worse binned chiplets that could be used to make new AM4 chips. Same with the cache chiplets, which are used for Milan-X, but I don't think they have even changed size yet between Zen 3 and Zen 4. And they might be more serious about keeping AM4 around than you believe, because it's the budget option and the DDR4 option. All of Intel's 12th/13th/14th gen CPUs support DDR4, AMD matches that only as long as they keep AM4 alive.

The recent wave of rumors even mention names like 5600GT and 5500GT, which could be variations on the 5600G.
 
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(Worst case scenario, they’ll buy some in Europe and ship them East. The Chinese know how to invest when it comes to important things.)
When you end up on Uncle Sam's tech sanction list, it's a little more than just "nvidia isn't allowed to ship cards to China." Any third-party who is found to be circumventing sanctions can end up cut-off from the US financial system. Which means doing shipments at scale is going to be impossible. The best you'll be able to do is send cards one at a time through DHL and hope that most of them aren't confiscated by DHL for trying to circumvent sanctions because DHL would still like to be able to do business in the US.

The goal isn't really to completely stop cards from reaching China - it's to stop enough of them that they can't efficiently build AI server farms.

Lenovo ThinkPad X13s
Snapdragon 8cx Gen 3
Up to 28 hours 49.5 Whr (Video playback)
Starting at 1.06kg / 2.35lbs
Weak compared to a Macbook and Linux support isn't there. If I'm going to be using a laptop, I want something Unix-y not Wangblows 11 ARM.
 
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Weak compared to a Macbook and Linux support isn't there. If I'm going to be using a laptop, I want something Unix-y not Wangblows 11 ARM.
It's a shame Qualcomm are the only real competitor to Apple Silicon, their products are universally garbage.
 
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It's a shame Qualcomm are the only real competitor to Apple Silicon, their products are universally garbage.
There's also a Samsung laptop with their chips, and I think Huwai has one.
 
There's also a Samsung laptop with their chips, and I think Huwai has one.
Samsung sucks and Huawei are using an old process (7nm, very impressive with the sanctions blocking access to modern fab process, but still obsolete), I wouldn't call either one competitive. The ones that actually can compete are Mediatek, but meh.
Coincidentally Mediatek, Huawei, and Samsung are all well known to cheat in benchmarks. The phones will drop all power saving features and run at a higher thermal limit if they detect they're being benchmarked.
 
It’s a real shame that nobody seems to have that combination of battery life and performance as the MacBooks have currently.

Can anyone recommend an Intel machine that has the same combination of long ass battery life and weight/size?

Doesn't currently exist. Nothing beats a SoC for power efficiency, and Intel doesn't have one on the market. Maybe Meteor Lake with on-package memory might come close.
 
All of Intel's 12th/13th/14th gen CPUs support DDR4, AMD matches that only as long as they keep AM4 alive.
Honestly why I settled on Intel. I can get a modern core while still using the DDR4 3200 16x2 gb ram chips I bought for cheap. I'm not stuck with AM4 if I don't want to be, in my case motherboard wise, it's 12 to 13 gen if I recall correctly.
 
Maybe Meteor Lake with on-package memory might come close.
It's Intel. It'll come with a 200W power limit that cannot be lowered to something sensible because it's not a -K SKU (and no OEM is going to sacrifice their profit margin by paying extra for Intel to unlock features). It also won't support anything but Microsoft Super-Special Magic Sleep State.

Macbooks aren't amazing laptops just because Apple Silicon is super efficient, it's a whole package type thing, it's why their Intel laptops were also so much better than the competition, even though they had the same hardware. Apple doesn't let the processor boost for things that don't matter, and macOS uses S3 sleep with hardware timers to periodically wake in a low power state to check for mail and other things that only take a few seconds, rather than the Windows approach of wake from inefficient S0 sleep by a CPU timer to max turbo for several minutes at a time and then half the time proceed not to go back into sleep.
 
I've always heard Macs were good at video editing
The only people who have actual reason to say that are those working with some Mac specific equipment.

99% of that attitude, at least in the previous decade, is boomerism, elitism, and (most importantly) inertia in the arts world, especially after Apple killed FCP7 in 2011. After that, a great many of editing work that isn't destined for broadcast - wedding videos, corporate avps, youtube videos, etc. were (and still are) being done on Adobe Premiere - a cross platform software.

Apart from a usually better display, there really isn't anything that you can do that Macs couldn't. Ever been to wedding studio? They're all open/home offices with editors shoulder to shoulder on MacBook pros from a time when Macs weren't all that impressive in battery life. The only really good reason was existing equipment that were based on Macs.

You too might party annually (or spend money on spilled liquor) on the anniversary of Steve's passing when you've done several events where everything was last minute because everyone insisted on working on MBPs that took forever to render shit out.

Everyone insisted "Macs are for artists" with a smug sense of self satisfaction and superiority. Creatives come up with marketing and then lap it up themselves.

I'll be taking those top hats, thanks.
 
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