GPUs & CPUs & Enthusiast hardware: Questions, Discussion and fanboy slap-fights - Nvidia & AMD & Intel - Separe but Equal. Intel rides in the back of the bus.

Got my WD red SSD 500 gig boot drive yesterday. Feels solid even just in my hand. As it stands, my Project Whirlwind rig has 1.5 tb of storage. Might expand into the 3x4 m.2 slot and stick a 2 to 4 gig drive in there just to save on sata cables, but maybe not either. Just depends on deals.

But for now, I'm focusing on the core and card, card probably first. I'm thinking a 4060 ti, either 8 or 16 gb, just price depending. It's a underdog and I kinda like that about it
 
Every Windows from 95 through Vista was a nightmare. I've heard Win 7 was good but used it for maybe a week. Win 10 and 11 are fine to me - first Windows I've used that weren't constantly shitting the bed. Still doesn't hold a candle to OSX.

Fcret said:
Windows is bad in general and hasn't been 'acceptable' since XP. Microsoft's retarded strategy of just piling new redundant shit on top of the existing shit they have instead of refactoring or expanding on their base systems is atrocious. Windows 11 has been the first time I've seen them seriously reflect on this and try to tidy things up but there's so much shit in it now that the OS feels like it's hardstuck halfway between 2023 and 2003.
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Maintaining backward compatibility is how Microsoft won in the enterprise space. There's quite a bit of ugly jank in the operating system - there's stuff from the 1980s in some of their C headers - but I can't say it was the wrong decision based on how it worked out for them.

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I was talking needing another small slot, but it's interesting to know you can even do that. This is the board btw

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A family member got it for me for Christmas, so I had to go a little cheap. Micro ATX. Has 2 full sized slots pci-e, one smaller pci-e slot. Also has 4 sata ports that turns to 3 when using the 4x4 M.2 slot, Doesn't have USB-C which is why i want a rear card for the mini port. If I can give it extra sata if I need it with the big slot, it'll be great tbh
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The one thing to watch out for with builds like this is heat. I have a tiny computer myself, but it for example isn't capable of running an i9-12900k at max clock speeds because it just gets too hot, and a triple-slot GPU is out of the question. 6700XT/Arc 770/3070/4060 Ti are the biggest GPUs it can handle. Based on what you said earlier, that shouldn't be a problem.

Unrelated, here is an extremely hot deal.
Intel NUC 12 Enthiast: Arc A770M (16 GB) + i7-12700H (6P+8E) + 32 GB RAM + 1 TB storage for $768:


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I would get this myself if I didn't already have the Extreme.
 
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The Ugly One said:
The one thing to watch out for with builds like this is heat. I have a tiny computer myself, but it for example isn't capable of running an i9-12900k at max clock speeds because it just gets too hot, and a triple-slot GPU is out of the question. 6700XT/Arc 770/3070/4060 Ti are the biggest GPUs it can handle. Based on what you said earlier, that shouldn't be a problem
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Basically my plan is to put it in a regular ATX tower, plenty of fans, and a liquid cooler for a 12 gen i7 to keep heat stable. That and a 4060 or 4060ti, because it's already kinda gimped by the rest of the hardware, no need to go all out. It's a shitbox, but as long as it runs modern games alright, I'm fine with it
 
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If you think you might want to play with "AI" at all, go with a 16GB video card.
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I'll admit it's a thought. I just don't know how much I would be. It's tricky honestly. In any case I'll think about it after Christmas for finances sake
 
WelperHelper99 said:
Basically my plan is to put it in a regular ATX tower, plenty of fans, and a liquid cooler for a 12 gen i7 to keep heat stable. That and a 4060 or 4060ti, because it's already kinda gimped by the rest of the hardware, no need to go all out. It's a shitbox, but as long as it runs modern games alright, I'm fine with it
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A 12th gen i7 doesn't need a liquid cooler (I have a 12th gen i9), and a 4060 Ti doesn't need a giant case. Also that absolutely is not a shitbox - parts that gaming YouTubers crap on because they can't run Rainbow Six at 600 fps are not actually bad parts. If you're going with parts that run relatively cool, there's just no need for all that shit. You can fit everything inside a case like this:


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Etc. and keep a slim profile. In other words, you've got the mini-ITX motherboard already, and you're not buying the most blazing hot high-end parts, so there's no reason not to take advantage of its form factor.
 
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A 12th gen i7 doesn't need a liquid cooler (I have a 12th gen i9), and a 4060 Ti doesn't need a giant case. Also that absolutely is not a shitbox - parts that gaming YouTubers crap on because they can't run Rainbow Six at 600 fps are not actually bad parts. If you're going with parts that run relatively cool, there's just no need for all that shit. You can fit everything inside a case like this:


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Etc. and keep a slim profile. In other words, you've got the mini-ITX motherboard already, and you're not buying the most blazing hot high-end parts, so there's no reason not to take advantage of its form factor.
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I mean I could. Good to know about the I7 btw. I just find working in a ATX case is easier, and it's easy enough to find them with 5.25 inch bays for disc drives.
 
WelperHelper99 said:
I mean I could. Good to know about the I7 btw. I just find working in a ATX case is easier, and it's easy enough to find them with 5.25 inch bays for disc drives.
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You'll spend 2 hours putting the computer together and then 3-5 years with it hogging up a bunch of space. And disc drive bays are pointless in 2023, since nobody sells anything in optical format anymore. I have a USB DVD drive in my desk drawer for the rare time I need one.
 
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You'll spend 2 hours putting the computer together and then 3-5 years with it hogging up a bunch of space. And disc drive bays are pointless in 2023, since nobody sells anything in optical format anymore. I have a USB DVD drive in my desk drawer for the rare time I need one.
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Well they do, it's called Blu Rays, of which I have many. I'm making a multimedia machine my guy
 
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I've come into a spare 7800X3D. NAS upgrade time?
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Seems like total overkill for a NAS. Is there a kid/niece/nephew who's Christmas you could make with it?

WelperHelper99 said:
Well they do, it's called Blu Rays, of which I have many. I'm making a multimedia machine my guy
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Right, but you'll rip them once and then what?
 
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@snov I didn’t want to come across as an arse, but if you've got to buy a new mobo and RAM to run something you have kicking about and won’t make any real difference to the performance you get, or need, from your NAS you may as well make make a young ‘uns day and give them something that kicks ass in the performance charts and will last them until they are working and can buy their own decent PC.
If the CPU just drops into your NAS then go for It. And of course who the fuck am I to say what you do with your PC hardware.
 
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@snov I didn’t want to come across as an arse, but if you've got to buy a new mobo and RAM to run something you have kicking about and won’t make any real difference to the performance you get, or need, from your NAS you may as well make make a young ‘uns day and give them something that kicks ass in the performance charts and will last them until they are working and can buy their own decent PC.
If the CPU just drops into your NAS then go for It. And of course who the fuck am I to say what you do with your PC hardware.
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Oh, don’t worry about it, I’m not offended in the slightest. I keep my relatives well supplied. The tech nerd nephew already has one of my old mining 3080s.
So basically I already have a bunch of AM5 motherboards and ECC DIMMs. I wouldn’t be buying anything new here. Upgrading the nephew would be pointless, he’s already got a 5800X3D and as far as I know doesn’t play anything that would benefit from a zen 4 upgrade.
 
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The 12100 would also use substantially less electricity. And can still use cheap DDR4 memory if you're particularly obstinate about not upgrading to DDR5. 11th gen isn't bad at everything, of course, but there are much better options available, for everything, even for someone refusing to touch AMD, and generally they'll be considerably cheaper to acquire as well. You could get a 12400+mATX motherboard+16GB DDR4 for the same price as the 11900K alone even when 12th gen was brand new.
 
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