GPUs & CPUs & Enthusiast hardware: Questions, Discussion and fanboy slap-fights - Nvidia & AMD & Intel - Separe but Equal. Intel rides in the back of the bus.

[Darkholme's Dungeon]

but that still doesn't mean we're going to end up with fast and cheap consumer chips.

At the risk of sounding political, all those foundries are also good for building missile seekers and drones for the police state. Ted have mercy on us all.

 

[Fcret]

Intel announcing they're splitting the product and foundry business is interesting.

Nvidia were desperate to ditch TSMC but going with Samsung went terribly, so they had to come crawling back which is a big part of the reason the 4000 series is so expensive. Rumors are saying that Intel might be able to get ahead of TSMC in the next few nodes though, so Nvidia switching to them is a real possibility (but I wouldn't put money on Intel not fucking things up royally).

The flip side is the AI nonesense has so much money behind it, none of the companies really care about anything else. Latest Nvidia report had AI being 6 times the revenue of everything else they're doing. Intel's announced an all e-core server cpu, and AMD has the Zen4c and plans to go further with Zen5c (which is a bigger deal when you think about it, since the whole basis of the success of zen has been the idea of making one identical chiplet and just binning across the whole product range).

I still think that AI is going to prove to be a bubble, and all the money governments have poured into bribing foundries being built is going to cause an enormous oversupply within the next 5 years, but that still doesn't mean we're going to end up with fast and cheap consumer chips.

'Oversupply' is kind of the point - governments are terrified of not having second sources for high-end semiconductors. This used to be standard procurement policy for government and big corpos during the Cold War (always have a backup in case the gommies somehow fuck up your primary supplier) but 30 years of peace in the world kinda made everyone lax about it until the coof.

This is just part of the overarching trend of the world returning to 'normal.'

 

[X Prime]

What would someone suggest for an upgrade from a B450 Tomahawk Max and a Ryzen 3600X? Mobo seems to be dying and I have autistically sworn to never replace one without replacing the CPU too.

I mean surely CPUs have gotten better since 2019, right?

My wallet is going to cry, isn't it?

 

[WelperHelper99]

What would someone suggest for an upgrade from a B450 Tomahawk Max and a Ryzen 3600X? Mobo seems to be dying and I have autistically sworn to never replace one without replacing the CPU too.

I mean surely CPUs have gotten better since 2019, right?

My wallet is going to cry, isn't it?

I mean at least for a CPU, a Ryzen 5000 series minimum. Very solid, probably won't be outdated until the end of decade, especially if you get it with 3D-Vcache

 

[SilentDuck]

What would someone suggest for an upgrade from a B450 Tomahawk Max and a Ryzen 3600X? Mobo seems to be dying and I have autistically sworn to never replace one without replacing the CPU too.

I mean surely CPUs have gotten better since 2019, right?

My wallet is going to cry, isn't it?

5500's are the "on sale" dirt cheap CPU this year. Last year around memorial day sales the 5600 was. With either the difference isn't going to be worth it over a 3600x. You could get something from the X3D line but if the board is actually dying you are putting a huge amount of stress on it and if it goes poof you will regret not just buying something like a 7800X3D and going AM5.

 

[WelperHelper99]

I think this'll be my card at the end of the week- the weeb card versionof the 4070 super. Plenty powerful too. And it's a slim model, so I'll still have most of my motherboard ports. Tax season has been nice to me lol.

 

[Susanna]

What would someone suggest for an upgrade from a B450 Tomahawk Max and a Ryzen 3600X? Mobo seems to be dying and I have autistically sworn to never replace one without replacing the CPU too.

I mean surely CPUs have gotten better since 2019, right?

My wallet is going to cry, isn't it?

Just get a used B550 board. The 3600 is still a perfectly good CPU. If you do want an upgrade 7000-series Ryzen is very good, but not so much that you need to switch urgently. A 3600 should be good for another couple years at least.

 

[General Emílio Médici]

Currently on the lookout for some extra storage for my data. I bought a new HDD last year for data but I trolled myself by getting a 5400RPM 3GB/s SATA 2TB drive which didn't feel as that much of a upgrade over the old one. (same specs but 1TB it was). Is it worth it to spend the extra money on a 7200RPM 6GB/s SATA one for the new 8TB I am looking for? Or are the RPM a meme and I should focus only on the SATA? Or maybe not even bother with the SATA, gotta check if my Motherboard is gonna accept it first no use getting a better one if it doesn't.

Also external drives, always gotta have a external backup. Any suggestions? WD_BLACK D10 8 TB is looking good if I can get it on a sale.

 

[The Ugly One]

I figured out the reason the front panel on my NUC 12 Extreme never worked properly is the cable wasn't quite plugged into the motherboard right. Guess who can use SD cards now?

 

[ZMOT]

Currently on the lookout for some extra storage for my data. I bought a new HDD last year for data but I trolled myself by getting a 5400RPM 3GB/s SATA 2TB drive which didn't feel as that much of a upgrade over the old one. (same specs but 1TB it was). Is it worth it to spend the extra money on a 7200RPM 6GB/s SATA one for the new 8TB I am looking for? Or are the RPM a meme and I should focus only on the SATA? Or maybe not even bother with the SATA, gotta check if my Motherboard is gonna accept it first no use getting a better one if it doesn't.

Also external drives, always gotta have a external backup. Any suggestions? WD_BLACK D10 8 TB is looking good if I can get it on a sale.

pure TB/$ is a toshiba right now, 16TB+ might sound much, but otoh you can never have enough space. they're even 7200rpm if you're looking for that.
however depends what you do with the data, if you need it fast there's no way around SDD.

for external I bought a simple case years ago and just put in whatever 3.5" HDD.

 

[Leaded Gasoline]

3GB/s SATA

they still make SATA 2 drives? the fuck?

Or are the RPM a meme and I should focus only on the SATA? Or maybe not even bother with the SATA, gotta check if my Motherboard is gonna accept it first no use getting a better one if it doesn't.

7200RPM drives generally top out at 250MB/s sequential while 5400RPM ones rarely go higher than 150MB/s, your motherboard is definitely SATA 3 capable on if it's using a mainstream chipset and was made in the last decade

Also external drives, always gotta have a external backup. Any suggestions? WD_BLACK D10 8 TB is looking good if I can get it on a sale.

maybe get a case for internal drives instead? it would give you a lot more drives to choose from. IIRC toshiba drives have much better price per GB than WD

 

[General Emílio Médici]

I am not 100% on if the HDD I have is SATA 2 but I am almost sure due to how I got it cheap. Gonna check once I home. It will depend on the prices I can get once I got to buy it and if it looks like it I might just get a 10TB or more drive.

I am thinking of taking a old PC to make a NAS if I could find a good deal on a bunch of drives but it is unlikely. I also heard good things about WD being the more reliable for the good price which is why I am focusing on them.

 

[Stasi]

Just saw that manufacturers are putting out a low profile PCIe powered 3050. Looks like a decent option for people building SFF PCs or living room media computers.

Kind of annoyed this hit after I spent far too much on a used A2000.

 

[Dixieland Buckaroo]

I'm so glad I got a 4090 last year at retail (a slightly factory OC'd one at a $50 upcharge). Yeah it's overkill 99% of the time, but it's one of the rare ones that's gone up in value over the year. Crazy.

 

[The Ugly One]

Just saw that manufacturers are putting out a low profile PCIe powered 3050. Looks like a decent option for people building SFF PCs or living room media computers.

Kind of annoyed this hit after I spent far too much on a used A2000.

More like a budget gaming PC, as an iGPU can handle any of those tasks. A 3050 has about the same raw pixel throughput as a 1070. Throw in DLSS2, and it's plenty capable to game on.

 

[Rekeita's Kidneys]

What would someone suggest for an upgrade from a B450 Tomahawk Max and a Ryzen 3600X? Mobo seems to be dying and I have autistically sworn to never replace one without replacing the CPU too.

I mean surely CPUs have gotten better since 2019, right?

My wallet is going to cry, isn't it?

Save yourself some shekels and just get a 5000 series ryzen CPU, if you're willing to wait ever so slightly longer they'll continue to get cheaper.

 

[The Mass Shooter Ron Soye]

More like a budget gaming PC, as an iGPU can handle any of those tasks. A 3050 has about the same raw pixel throughput as a 1070. Throw in DLSS2, and it's plenty capable to game on.

ETA Prime has done the sin of not specifying 3050 6 GB in the title. You might reach the same conclusion of it being OK for a cheap gaming PC but the regular 3050 8 GB is about 28% faster. It should be called a 3040. But it has very low power consumption at a 70W TDP and only needs the PCIe slot.

Intel announcing they're splitting the product and foundry business is interesting.

Nvidia were desperate to ditch TSMC but going with Samsung went terribly, so they had to come crawling back which is a big part of the reason the 4000 series is so expensive. Rumors are saying that Intel might be able to get ahead of TSMC in the next few nodes though, so Nvidia switching to them is a real possibility (but I wouldn't put money on Intel not fucking things up royally).

The flip side is the AI nonesense has so much money behind it, none of the companies really care about anything else. Latest Nvidia report had AI being 6 times the revenue of everything else they're doing. Intel's announced an all e-core server cpu, and AMD has the Zen4c and plans to go further with Zen5c (which is a bigger deal when you think about it, since the whole basis of the success of zen has been the idea of making one identical chiplet and just binning across the whole product range).

I still think that AI is going to prove to be a bubble, and all the money governments have poured into bribing foundries being built is going to cause an enormous oversupply within the next 5 years, but that still doesn't mean we're going to end up with fast and cheap consumer chips.

I hear Nvidia will not bother with Intel's fabs unless Intel exits discrete GPUs. Subject to change if Taiwan gets invaded.

I think Sierra Forest and Bergamo are more for cloud services, web servers, etc. than AI.

These fabs are getting so expensive to build and operate, that if the AI bubble pops I think we'll end up seeing some fabs being shut down, cancelled, or repurposed rather than producing wonderful cheap silicon for the masses.

Sam Altman Seeks Trillions of Dollars to Reshape Business of Chips and AI

Consumers will be fine. CPUs are stupendously fast, iGPUs are moving closer to slow moving targets, upscaling is everywhere. Unless Taiwan gets invaded, everything triples in price, and you didn't procure what you needed in advance. I'm wary of the memory and storage markets, where there's a lot of cyclical price volatility. Maybe we'll be able to enjoy High Bandwidth Memory on consumer GPUs again after the AI bubble bursts.

I have a good feeling about Intel's Lunar Lake and AMD's Kraken Point. Both will be similar 4+4 designs with decent graphics and a focus on power efficiency. AMD's version of the "E-core" makes a lot of sense at least for mobile and manycore. The full Strix Point mainstream APU will be 4+8. Most people don't need 12+ "P-cores" in their laptop, but if they do, there's Dragon Range.

 

[Betonhaus]

Hey, has anyone heard anything about a type of internet issue where the network, wired and wireless, will randomly cut out for a few seconds and then you have to open the router management app and recheck connection and maybe reboot the network before it will reconnect? It's a tplink deco mesh network with two pods.

I do like how powerful iGPUs are getting. I probably won't be getting a gaming computer with an eGPU anytime soon.

 

[The Ugly One]

I hear Nvidia will not bother with Intel's fabs unless Intel exits discrete GPUs. Subject to change if Taiwan gets invaded.

Nvidia is notorious for trying to control your business if you do business with them, so sounds legit. Problem is that CUDA moat is extremely shallow. They aren't as powerful as they think they are.

I think Sierra Forest and Bergamo are more for cloud services, web servers, etc. than AI.

Correct. Bergamo doesn't have the cache to sustain high FLOPS. Sierra Forest is Intel just trying to not die until they have process parity again.

These fabs are getting so expensive to build and operate, that if the AI bubble pops I think we'll end up seeing some fabs being shut down, cancelled, or repurposed rather than producing wonderful cheap silicon for the masses.

We've gone from 20 leading edge foundries to 3, and it was really 2 for a while there. For the reasons you stated, consumer demand for bleeding-edge silicon just isn't there. If lawsuits or something else don't pop the AI bubble, maybe some other companies will get in the game.

 

[SilentDuck]

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I think this'll be my card at the end of the week- the weeb card versionof the 4070 super. Plenty powerful too. And it's a slim model, so I'll still have most of my motherboard ports. Tax season has been nice to me lol.

Slim is good. Futa anime demon that is being coy type branding for your card, even better. MSI is really killing it these days.

Hey, has anyone heard anything about a type of internet issue where the network, wired and wireless, will randomly cut out for a few seconds and then you have to open the router management app and recheck connection and maybe reboot the network before it will reconnect? It's a tplink deco mesh network with two pods.

TP-Link says to turn them off and then on again, and make sure the units are not too high to the ceiling or in a cupboard. 1st rate trolling.

If there isn't a firmware update available you'll have to wait for them to admit there's a problem (lots of search engine results describing this). First thing to do in a situation like this with wifi is to find a free wifi spectrum analyzer app on your phone to see if you have a wifi channel crowding problem or hypothetical interference from some neighboring jackass with a super powerful modem/router but that should not effect wired ethernet. The router could also just not like your ISPs modem... bad cable, could be legit defective, etc. without the router's log file it's hard to tell anything.