GPUs & CPUs & Enthusiast hardware: Questions, Discussion and fanboy slap-fights - Nvidia & AMD & Intel - Separe but Equal. Intel rides in the back of the bus.

[The Ugly One]

Slim is good. Futa anime demon that is being coy type branding for your card, even better. MSI is really killing it these days.




TP-Link says to turn them off and then on again, and make sure the units are not too high to the ceiling or in a cupboard. 1st rate trolling.

If there isn't a firmware update available you'll have to wait for them to admit there's a problem (lots of search engine results describing this). First thing to do in a situation like this with wifi is to find a free wifi spectrum analyzer app on your phone to see if you have a wifi channel crowding problem or hypothetical interference from some neighboring jackass with a super powerful modem/router but that should not effect wired ethernet. The router could also just not like your ISPs modem... bad cable, could be legit defective, etc. without the router's log file it's hard to tell anything.

The only known fix to this problem is to commit genocide on the Indian subcontinent.

 

[WelperHelper99]

Slim is good. Futa anime demon that is being coy type branding for your card, even better. MSI is really killing it these days.

Well I just bought it this morning because the state half of my taxes came in. It better be good for 717 USD lol. Probably going to buy a different board just to handle it, a ATX instead of the micro ATX I have. I really like the look, very aggressive while still being slim, kinda like a raptor, or in this case, a demon harpy; very dangerous with its claws and very, very fast. Hard to believe the 4070 super is basically a old 4080 base model lol.

 

[AmpleApricots]

CPU throttled at 65W

Most modern computing loads in desktop and even gaming usage usually are mostly short bursts (e.g. loading and rendering a web page) with long streches of time doing almost nothing. (e.g. user reading said web page) In user-oriented processing the downtimes really are often just the human looking at things or reacting to things, and expressed in CPU cycles humans move at glacial speeds. (that is, if software doesn't behave retarded which it often does, i.e. spinning javascript thingie on a website eating 100% CPU in a tight do-nothing loop because it consists of 20 javascript frameworks heaped on each other) User-oriented computing could be so much more efficent and battery-saving if software and OS developers would truly care, hardware-side the tools are all there. (e.g. Intel's RAPL) I've cut down my Thinkpotato from constantly thermal throttling to sitting at 36C while writing this post just by setting some non-braindead RAPL powercap settings. It amounts to a crime.

TP-Link

That's your problem right there. Absolute garbage hardware. Never buy TP-Link.

 

[DavidS877]

That's your problem right there. Absolute garbage hardware. Never buy TP-Link.

Their 10G stuff works pretty well. But yea, their consumer stuff is crap. But to be fair almost all consumer grade stuff is crap.

Maybe something like the UniFi Express or their Dream Router.

 

[SilentDuck]

That's your problem right there. Absolute garbage hardware. Never buy TP-Link.

They have made some truly legendary extra-curricular wifi equipment like the 722n as well as long range stuff. Have not toyed with their mesh setups but every mesh setup I hear about is sort of fucky somehow. Nothing cool and ominous about a repeater I guess.

 

[Betonhaus]

Their 10G stuff works pretty well. But yea, their consumer stuff is crap. But to be fair almost all consumer grade stuff is crap.

Maybe something like the UniFi Express or their Dream Router.

Is UniFi good? All the TikTok ads they have concern me

 

[Betonhaus]

They have made some truly legendary extra-curricular wifi equipment like the 722n as well as long range stuff. Have not toyed with their mesh setups but every mesh setup I hear about is sort of fucky somehow. Nothing cool and ominous about a repeater I guess.

I have the tplink deco mesh routers, the little cylinders with three Ethernet ports each. They came with my internet, can be set up with the deco app and mostly work great when wired together (not so great when the pods connect to each other wirelessly) but lately the entire internet goes down for a few seconds once in a while. I swapped the main pod with the second one just today to see if it fixes it as there's no firmware updates available. I suspect they get overloaded when my server does a scan for new episodes to download. I bought a cheap tplink switch because three ports is simply not enough.

 

[DavidS877]

Is UniFi good? All the TikTok ads they have concern me

I'm happy with mine. But I'm just running their access points and POE switch. I wasn't aware they had any ads at all.

I have the tplink deco mesh routers, the little cylinders with three Ethernet ports each. They came with my internet, can be set up with the deco app and mostly work great when wired together (not so great when the pods connect to each other wirelessly) but lately the entire internet goes down for a few seconds once in a while. I swapped the main pod with the second one just today to see if it fixes it as there's no firmware updates available. I suspect they get overloaded when my server does a scan for new episodes to download. I bought a cheap tplink switch because three ports is simply not enough.

Do you have an independent router/box/thing that does the handoff from the tplink to the Internet? Also does your inside the network connectivity go down at the same time? If so, is it all devices or just some, it could be just one cylinder is having issues.

 

[Betonhaus]

I'm happy with mine. But I'm just running their access points and POE switch. I wasn't aware they had any ads at all.


Do you have an independent router/box/thing that does the handoff from the tplink to the Internet? Also does your inside the network connectivity go down at the same time? If so, is it all devices or just some, it could be just one cylinder is having issues.

The main deco is connected directly to the cable modem, and all devices go down. My roommate has a direct line to the router and his computer goes down with everything.

 

[SilentDuck]

The main deco is connected directly to the cable modem, and all devices go down. My roommate has a direct line to the router and his computer goes down with everything.

You could try running a 'direct line' for yourself and see if it still happens assuming you can go without your deco mesh router to test it out.

Could also try plugging into different ports on the router if you haven't already.

If your roomate is a coomer that uses bittorrent and opens hundreds of connections at once that could also do it.

 

[Fcret]

Nvidia is notorious for trying to control your business if you do business with them, so sounds legit. Problem is that CUDA moat is extremely shallow. They aren't as powerful as they think they are.

Correct. Very few people use CUDA directly - a lot of people use something that ostensibly uses CUDA but could just as well use ROCm (like PyTorch). I think they're a little too cocksure of their ascendancy in compute.

Hard to believe the 4070 super is basically a old 4080 base model lol.

Are we talking about the 4070 Ti Super or the regular 4070 Super? Ti Super is like 10% less perf than the 4080 whereas the Super is closer to 30%. It's a weirdly crowded spot in their lineup though.

 

[Betonhaus]

You could try running a 'direct line' for yourself and see if it still happens assuming you can go without your deco mesh router to test it out.

Could also try plugging into different ports on the router if you haven't already.

If your roomate is a coomer that uses bittorrent and opens hundreds of connections at once that could also do it.

He does online gaming so he needs lower latency, the server is the one that does the bittorrent downloads. Though I may seriously look into getting a Usenet subscription. It's possible to bypass the router and hardwire my computer to the modem directly, but there are random cutouts like once every few days or so and it'll cause problems having the network offline long enough to test it.

i might look into making a Linux router or getting something, but I'd have to get a proper domain name and change everyone's connection to the server over.

 

[Darkholme's Dungeon]

still being slim

That's like saying J. Lo is slim because you're comparing her to Lizzo.

Correct. Very few people use CUDA directly - a lot of people use something that ostensibly uses CUDA but could just as well use ROCm (like PyTorch). I think they're a little too cocksure of their ascendancy in compute.

The issue is that Intel isn't really competitive right now (too new), and AMD needs to get their head out of their ass and stop changing architectural level decisions (Like going Monolithic -> MCM -> Monolithic) and make ROCm stable. You can plug any CUDA supported GPU and you'll have it without much issue.
On the AMD end to most folks its voodoo black magic rituals. Theoretically you can backport it to Volcanic Islands with enough work (the AMD MI8 is actually a R9 Nano).

At the end though, it's a huge gamble on how they think it was the best way to solve the memory bottleneck. NVIDIA thinks it is memory bus. AMD originally went with HBM for the solution, then reversed course and made large cache (Infinity Fabric), not sure if they will reverse course again. I'm wondering why AMD hasn't tried "chiplet" HBM with the interposers if that's feasible.

Intel still thinks HBM is the solution, see the Xeon Phi and Intel Xe (Ponte Vecchio).

 

[The Ugly One]

NVIDIA thinks it is memory bus. AMD originally went with HBM for the solution,

AMD is still going with HBM for their AI-targeted GPUs, the MI300 series. NVIDIA's H100s also use HBM. You cannot use HBM without a wide memory bus, since each stack has a 1024-bit bus, as opposed to DDR's 64-bit bus.

then reversed course and made large cache (Infinity Fabric), not sure if they will reverse course again.

Infinity Fabric is not a cache technology. Infinity Fabric is the high-bandwidth, low-latency interconnect used between chiplets and sockets.

Intel still thinks HBM is the solution, see the Xeon Phi and Intel Xe (Ponte Vecchio).

The Xeon Phi didn't have HBM. It had MCDRAM, which isn't the same technology. The name of the product formerly called Ponte Vecchio's is not "Intel Xe;" it's Intel Max Series GPU. This is different from the Intel Xe Max, which was a very shitty laptop dGPU.

 

[Betonhaus]

The Xeon Phi didn't have HBM. It had MCDRAM, which isn't the same technology. The name of the product formerly called Ponte Vecchio's is not "Intel Xe;" it's Intel Max Series GPU. This is different from the Intel Xe Max, which was a very shitty laptop dGPU

Is Intel just coming up with a new name every generation until they come out with GPUs that aren't embarrassing?

Have we reached the point where their GPUs can handle Baldur's Gate?

 

[WelperHelper99]

Are we talking about the 4070 Ti Super or the regular 4070 Super? Ti Super is like 10% less perf than the 4080 whereas the Super is closer to 30%. It's a weirdly crowded spot in their lineup though.

Regular 4070 super. I'll admit, I got cold feet on it, being 717 dollars and all, though I am still looking at it. Only 30% less powerful than the base 4080 is still fantastic. I will agree it is in a weird spot in the line up, since for way less money, you get a lot of the performance of the 4080, even with the stock 4070 super.

 

[The Ugly One]

Is Intel just coming up with a new name every generation until they come out with GPUs that aren't embarrassing?

Xe Max was an incredibly stupid product. GPU performance has been fine since they fixed their driver issues, but they're a new entrant into a dying market, and I'm not even sure the subsegment of the $100-$200 GPU has much future. Maybe they're hoping to score big OEM deals, but until they come out with a $2500 monster that can get soyfaces on YouTube, not much they can do to build the brand.

 

[WelperHelper99]

Xe Max was an incredibly stupid product. GPU performance has been fine since they fixed their driver issues, but they're a new entrant into a dying market, and I'm not even sure the subsegment of the $100-$200 GPU has much future. Maybe they're hoping to score big OEM deals, but until they come out with a $2500 monster that can get soyfaces on YouTube, not much they can do to build the brand.

I'm just glad Intel is doing GPU's at all. It breaks the monotony of AMD vs Nvidia. And hopefully some good comes out of it.

 

[Slav Power]

Is UniFi good? All the TikTok ads they have concern me

The biggest issue with UniFi is that all of their shit is cloud based, and unless you go out of your way to host your own controller and rebind the devices to that, or you cut the functionality by switching to standalone mode, you're running your shit on Ubiquiti's servers, and they already had breaches in the past. That's the number 1 turnoff for me when it comes to them.

I would suggest setting up Mikrotik access points, but here's why it's a bad idea:
-RouterOS is notoriously hard to configure,
-until recently the wireless performance was dogshit on their devices because they used their own wireless drivers instead of the ones from Qualcomm,
-they're always behind the competition, with their latest devices being only WiFi 6, or 802.11ax on 2.4GHz and 5GHz, while the competition is offering WiFi6E, or 802.11ax on 6GHz, and the newest WiFi7/802.11be standard.

Even if Mikrotik gets their shit together and releases shit that's on par with the competition this year, it's still Mikrotik, so you're dealing with an autistic configuration UI to even set it up. The benefit is that it's all offline and you can do a shitton of cool things with it once you understand the configuration. It's very much hardware for enthusiasts, or in other words masochists. Definitely best in wired routers and not SoHo devices/access points.

Speaking of, is there any better alternative for access points that's not chinkshit, not cloudshit and actually modern? Ubiquiti is cloudshit, TP-Link is chinkshit, ASUS and others are chinkshit, and Mikrotik is Mikrotik, always behind the curve.

 

[Betonhaus]

I think i mostly just want a router that has dynamicDNS support built in, can redirect dns calls to an internal server, and can handle surge loads without choking