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I'm beginning to think that the RX 6600 is going to become the new RX 580. Especially with the driver support for the 580 ending this year, the 6600 is a killer budget card I'm planning on upgrading to and pairing with my 5600 processor. I hope around August I'll be able to get that done, and maybe then I'll be able to start playing some of these newer games I've missed out on. Honestly, I don't think I'll really need to build an entirely new system for a while. My 5600 is chugging along just fine, and makes me wonder why I didn't just throw that in the machine first. Oh well. Lessons learned. I'm actually having fun going back and playing through some of these older titles again now that I have a decent processor. The Ryzen 3 3200g is quite honestly, a piece of shit. I dunno why I bothered with it.

I still don't know why people think you need all this "high end" hardware to have an enjoyable experience. I initially built my machine for around $550, and it's had maybe $210 worth of upgrades to it. High end is nice to look at and all, but there's something about a cobbled together mess of parts still running on hopes and dreams. Four years and still going strong.
 
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marvlouslie said:
I still don't know why people think you need all this "high end" hardware to have an enjoyable experience. I initially built my machine for around $550, and it's had maybe $210 worth of upgrades to it. High end is nice to look at and all, but there's something about a cobbled together mess of parts still running on hopes and dreams. Four years and still going strong.
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Beats me. I've never been into the games that require it to begin with, so maybe if you are into walking simulators with mandatory ray tracing, it is a requirement.
 
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Beats me. I've never been into the games that require it to begin with, so maybe if you are into walking simulators with mandatory ray tracing, it is a requirement.
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Honestly, most of the games I tend to play are from the Xbox One / PS4 era or earlier. I guess I'm a "gamer boomer", and not really interested in a whole lot of modern slop these days the kids are so infatuated with.
 
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marvlouslie said:
I'm beginning to think that the RX 6600 is going to become the new RX 580. Especially with the driver support for the 580 ending this year, the 6600 is a killer budget card I'm planning on upgrading to and pairing with my 5600 processor. I hope around August I'll be able to get that done, and maybe then I'll be able to start playing some of these newer games I've missed out on. Honestly, I don't think I'll really need to build an entirely new system for a while. My 5600 is chugging along just fine, and makes me wonder why I didn't just throw that in the machine first. Oh well. Lessons learned. I'm actually having fun going back and playing through some of these older titles again now that I have a decent processor. The Ryzen 3 3200g is quite honestly, a piece of shit. I dunno why I bothered with it.
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It'll actually probably be the RX 7600 as it's already freefalling in price and you can now find it new for $250. By next year, it'll probably be the same price as the RX 6600 is now while providing 10-25% more performance.

marvlouslie said:
I still don't know why people think you need all this "high end" hardware to have an enjoyable experience. I initially built my machine for around $550, and it's had maybe $210 worth of upgrades to it. High end is nice to look at and all, but there's something about a cobbled together mess of parts still running on hopes and dreams. Four years and still going strong.
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For me it was because I was actually interested in checking out RT and got a high refresh-rate 1440p monitor so I figured I'd try to push as far as possible.

I spent most of my 20s poor and even now with my ebin six-figure programmer income I still try to stretch my money as far as possible, but a decade of living off scavenged PCs and secondhand business laptops with too little RAM has made me just want to actually buy good tech shit instead of trying to cope with low-end stuff. I don't really eat out and my bills are still roughly the same as they were when I was a NEET so even my overpriced computer shit doesn't put much of a dent in my savings.
 
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Good video. I don't think he was the first YouTuber to say that AMD reps are reaching out to people and asking what they should price the 9070 series at. Some of the leaks may be deliberate to gauge outrage levels too.

@marvlouslie The RX 6600 is already the new 580, going by Steam Survey (shown in that video).


I want to see DLSS4 upscaling on Nintendo Switch 2.
 
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Anyone know if the 9070 going to be preorderable tomorrow? Or do we have to wait until next thursday?
 
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Holy shit, an actual balanced take.
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This is kind of the core problem with discussions about GeForce pricing - the market for the cards isn't simply people buying them for leisure activities but also actual professionals who make money with them and consequently have incredibly high tolerances for price.

Easy example - video work. If you're a semi-serious video person and your "prosumer" camera is priced like this...
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... Then why would you scoff at a $1600 or $2000 GPU for editing? Hell, some of the lenses for these cameras can cost as much as a 4060 Ti 16 GB. Is spending as much on your GPU as a lens really that outlandish in that context?

People want card pricing to go back to what it was when it was just enthusiast PC gamers buying cards but that's not the reality in 2025 and it probably won't be the reality ever again.
 
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Fcret said:
People want card pricing to go back to what it was when it was just enthusiast PC gamers buying cards but that's not the reality in 2025 and it probably won't be the reality ever again.
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exactly. this is like people demanding 16k cameras be as cheap as the initial black magic 6k or red 4k. now that people beyond niche weirdos found a use for these things outside of gaming the price has sky rocketted.
 
Fcret said:
This is kind of the core problem with discussions about GeForce pricing - the market for the cards isn't simply people buying them for leisure activities but also actual professionals who make money with them and consequently have incredibly high tolerances for price.

Easy example - video work. If you're a semi-serious video person and your "prosumer" camera is priced like this...
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... Then why would you scoff at a $1600 or $2000 GPU for editing? Hell, some of the lenses for these cameras can cost as much as a 4060 Ti 16 GB. Is spending as much on your GPU as a lens really that outlandish in that context?

People want card pricing to go back to what it was when it was just enthusiast PC gamers buying cards but that's not the reality in 2025 and it probably won't be the reality ever again.
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Not just that but the 90 and 80 series cards are the equilvent of size and power, cost of the SLI of the old era. Even a SLI 980ti setup was 1300 and that is the closest to a 4090/5090 as we have now. That comes out to 1700 today or about a 4090 MSRP. The 5090 is a 4090 ti.
 
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Fcret said:
This is kind of the core problem with discussions about GeForce pricing - the market for the cards isn't simply people buying them for leisure activities but also actual professionals who make money with them and consequently have incredibly high tolerances for price.

Easy example - video work. If you're a semi-serious video person and your "prosumer" camera is priced like this...
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... Then why would you scoff at a $1600 or $2000 GPU for editing? Hell, some of the lenses for these cameras can cost as much as a 4060 Ti 16 GB. Is spending as much on your GPU as a lens really that outlandish in that context?

People want card pricing to go back to what it was when it was just enthusiast PC gamers buying cards but that's not the reality in 2025 and it probably won't be the reality ever again.
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There isn’t a market for cheap cards. People would rather buy used then buy low end cards, and the people who bitch about prices end up ponying up for the better card anyway. The only way to win is not to play. I’ve never spent more on a video card than what I’ve spent on a console and I never will.

The other factor is a legitimate supply limitation and demand for the expensive cards is high enough such that you don’t want the lower end products to cannibalize your ability to produce the higher end products quickly enough.
 
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Get the rope Macaulay! said:
exactly. this is like people demanding 16k cameras be as cheap as the initial black magic 6k or red 4k. now that people beyond niche weirdos found a use for these things outside of gaming the price has sky rocketted.
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There's just a teensy tiny little issue there: the 3090. Nvidia released that card with 24GB of VRAM, but the 4070Ti has matched it in raw performance, however those 24GB of VRAM only were put on the 4090. Now with the 50 series, you have the 32GB 5090 and the 16GB 5080. The VRAM capacity is what ultimately decides the workloads you can run. Nowadays used 3090's go for about what 4070Ti/4080's go. Server grade GPU's have over 80GB of VRAM, and are also chained with NVLink which Nvidia has removed from consumer cards with the 40 series. You could chain up four 3090's for 96GB of VRAM, but those Nvidia AI server racks chain more than four 96GB GPU's. So if the enterprise AI VRAM is this high, why not give 64GB of VRAM to the 5090, 32GB to the 5080 and 24GB to the 5070Ti for home users? They don't have NVLink so even a single 5090 would still be nothing compared to what the enterprise market demands.

The main issue is that Nvidia is still being a dick. They don't want home users to chain their GPU's? Fine. Not giving those 24GB of VRAM to lower priced cards after the 3090 got overtaken by the 4070Ti? That's just Nvidia purposefully fucking you over. They could give you more VRAM for home use without eating into their server market, but they won't, because fuck you. They keep ramping up the price, giving you less value from generation to generation, and it'll only get worse. Because you'll still buy Nvidia. Everyone will.
 
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