GPUs & CPUs & Enthusiast hardware: Questions, Discussion and fanboy slap-fights - Nvidia & AMD & Intel - Separe but Equal. Intel rides in the back of the bus.

[Slav Power]

The result is still unimpressive (relatively speaking)

After crunching all the numbers it's all 1:1 gains, right? 30% more performance for 30% more power draw? In other words, zero real generational improvement since it's a rehash of the same node?

 

[The Mass Shooter Ron Soye]

After crunching all the numbers it's all 1:1 gains, right? 30% more performance for 30% more power draw? In other words, zero real generational improvement since it's a rehash of the same node?

That's how it is out of the box, except FLOPS/W is generally down in most reviews. You can tweak it to cut a chunk of power consumption for only a small performance loss, but the same applies to the 4090. If someone has produced efficiency curve graphs comparing both, I haven't seen it.

 

[Stratos Sphere]

The high end card from 4 years ago has 24 GB of VRAM. If you buy an 8 GB card and run with assets designed for a 24 GB card, do not be shocked and appalled that your game is throttled by data moving frequently over the PCIe bus from main RAM to VRAM.



The guy who made the video didn't test at settings that fit in 8 GB of VRAM. In every single example, he cranked up the overall fidelity too high to fit into the card's memory. He should have tested lower-res textures so viewers would know at what sorts of settings you'd expect this card to require to run well.

I was talking about the 3080 / 3080 12g. While it is true that he could have used better settings, the point is that there isn't a good reason for an 8gb card to exist, especially because the 16gb is so much better and that 8gb card isn't going to last unless you play low settings. They should have only released 16gb cards or at minimum 12 gb because there are cases where the 5060ti is faster than the 5070 because of this. and again the price is dumb for what you're getting

 

[The Ugly One]

the point is that there isn't a good reason for an 8gb card to exist

Costs less. Some people will cut any corner they can to get the cheapest thing. The cheapest thing usually moves a lot of units because of this.

that 8gb card isn't going to last unless you play low settings

It's the lowest-end card NVIDIA makes now. Supposedly, an even lower-end 5050 with 8 GB is on the way as well. Don't buy a low-end card and expect to run games at high-end settings, or for it to last for 7-10 years. It's like people don't understand what "low end" means any more. They think any GPU you buy should gain you entry to the PC Master Race and run every game at 4K Ultra for the next 10 years. If you want to join the Master Race, buy a high end GPU.

They should have only released 16gb cards or at minimum 12 gb because there are cases where the 5060ti is faster than the 5070 because of this. and again the price is dumb for what you're getting

4060 Ti 8 GB is going for $600-$700 on Newegg. Seems there's quite a healthy market for 8 GB cards. There's no reason for NVIDIA to not give the masses what they want. Options are a good thing; it's not like the 16 GB version of the 5060 got canceled.

 

[Fcret]

I'm just wondering where all these people scrambling to buy GPUs at insane markups were a year ago when you could get stuff handily for MSRP.

Never waitfag on PC parts.

 

[WULULULULU]

Never waitfag on PC parts.

Agreed. 7800X3D was $388 last year and I was fucking lucky. 6750XT was around $400 that time and was even luckier.

I wonder how shit the regular 5060 would be. $300 for a regular one is not even budget-tier.

 

[The Mass Shooter Ron Soye]

Intel Reportedly Places 2nm Orders For Nova Lake At TSMC; Foundry Division Likely To Be Left Out For Now

According to a report by Taiwan Economic Daily, it is revealed that Intel has outsourced Nova Lake's compute tile to TSMC, where it will leverage the foundry's 2nm process.

Uh oh, a vote of no confidence for Intel 18A? Or lying Taiwan press? Just wait for 14A.

G.Skill debuts world's first 256GB (64GBx4) DDR5-6000 CL32 UDIMM memory kit with EXPO support

AMD 16-core Zen 5c die shots show long, narrow CCX, all 16 cores sharing a single L3 cache

I don't remember if we knew this was going to be a thing, but there you have it. Unified 16-core CCX, with any core potentially accessing up to 32 MiB L3 cache. It won't be any trouble at all for Zen 6 to have a 12-core CCX. As for Zen 6c, I think that's supposed to be 32 cores with 16 cores in each CCX, not sure.


8-core Zen 5 on left, 16-core Zen 5c on the right

 

[Stratos Sphere]

I'm just wondering where all these people scrambling to buy GPUs at insane markups were a year ago when you could get stuff handily for MSRP.

Never waitfag on PC parts.

yup i bought a 9070xt on launch for 600$ a week later the same one i got was going for 750$- 800$.

It's the lowest-end card NVIDIA makes now. Supposedly, an even lower-end 5050 with 8 GB is on the way as well. Don't buy a low-end card and expect to run games at high-end settings, or for it to last for 7-10 years. It's like people don't understand what "low end" means any more. They think any GPU you buy should gain you entry to the PC Master Race and run every game at 4K Ultra for the next 10 years. If you want to join the Master Race, buy a high end GPU.

The card is quite literally a 4k card, it has the horsepower for 4k and its comparable to other 4k cards that have been released (4070, 3080 ironically these are also vram limited for 4k).. The extra vram would not have meaningfully changed the cost of the card. Nvidia knows its shit there is a reason they didnt even send review units because they knowingly made a card that's artificially limited and inadequate at its release. The pricing /positioning of the card also calls the low end claim into question. Ultimately they should have moved the stack up to 12gb minimum and the only reason they ddnt is to sell you less for more. They've been skimping on vram for a while and its not really something that can or should be defended, especially because its being done on products that can use the extra memory. The 3070, 3080, 4070, 4070 super, and 5060 should've all had more vram considering what they can do. Nvidia is the only company that can release a card (3070, 5060 ti 8gb) , claim it matches the predecessor in raw performance (2080ti, 4070), give it less resources to work with (8 vs 11/12 gb), and still have people defend it. Insane

 

[The Ugly One]

The card is quite literally a 4k card, it has the horsepower for 4k and its comparable to other 4k cards that have been released (4070, 3080 ironically these are also vram limited for 4k).

A 4K frame buffer is only 32 MB. It has 8192 MB of VRAM. So you should be able to run games at 4K. It's that "ultra" bit that won't work, since "ultra" these days tends to mean 10-24 GB of asset data. You'll need to drop textures and who knows what else down to "High" or maybe "Medium" to fit in 8 GB of VRAM.

My main point, which I will reiterate once again, is that you should not buy an 8 GB card and expect 10+ GB of data to fit comfortably in it. This is foolish. If you want to run games with settings that require 10+ GB of data, do not buy an 8 GB card. Either buy a better card, or reduce asset fidelity to fit in the VRAM.

My second point is that it's unhelpful for game reviewers to not tell whether settings exist in these games that fit comfortably inside of 8 GB of VRAM, and focus exclusively on settings that require more VRAM so they can show how badly that PCIe bus chokes the game at the high end. What does it take for Spider-Man to fit inside 8 GB? The reviewer doesn't want you to know, apparently.

The pricing /positioning of the card also calls the low end claim into question

What 50 series card is lower end?

Nvidia is the only company that can release a card (3070, 5060 ti 8gb) , claim it matches the predecessor in raw performance (2080ti, 4070), give it less resources to work with (8 vs 11/12 gb), and still have people defend it. Insane

You mean 16 GB. The card NVIDIA is making these claims about has 16 GB, not 8 GB.

I could understand being mad if your only options were an 8 GB 5060 Ti for $379 and a 16 GB 5070 for $549, with nothing in between. That's quite a price gap! But the way you carry on, it sounds like you're planning to buy a 16 GB 5060 Ti for $429 and sit there and seethe while you play Cyberpunk at 4K Ultra that a cheaper product you didn't want to buy that can't handle the Ultra textures exists at all. Do you generally seethe with outrage about the existence of cheaper things that you don't want? For example, how angry are you about the existence of the 4 GB Radeon 6500 XT side by side with the 8 GB version of the card? Were you shocked and upset that if you ran games at settings that required more than 4 GB of VRAM, the 4 GB 6500 XT performed poorly? Seething with outrage? I just don't understand your mindset here.

 

[The Mass Shooter Ron Soye]

16 GB 5070 for $549

It's worse, that card has 12 GB.

the existence of the 4 GB Radeon 6500 XT

A lot of people were angry about that for a variety of reasons (e.g. the lack of bandwidth exacerbated the lack of VRAM). It had limitations that made it a bit of a waste of silicon. But when it got down to $100 with Dead Island 2 for free in November 2022, it was forgivable.

 

[Stratos Sphere]

What 50 series card is lower end?

only the 5050 will be low end as in doesnt have to power to run 1440p high.

Don't buy a low-end card and expect to run games at high-end settings

Why make this comment then when we are talking about a 5060ti. The 5050 is probably oem only and probably going to be as fast as a 3060ti

A 4K frame buffer is only 32 MB. It has 8192 MB of VRAM. So you should be able to run games at 4K. It's that "ultra" bit that won't work, since "ultra" these days tends to mean 10-24 GB of asset data. You'll need to drop textures and who knows what else down to "High" or maybe "Medium" to fit in 8 GB of VRAM.

My main point, which I will reiterate once again, is that you should not buy an 8 GB card and expect 10+ GB of data to fit comfortably in it. This is foolish. If you want to run games with settings that require 10+ GB of data, do not buy an 8 GB card. Either buy a better card, or reduce asset fidelity to fit in the VRAM.

My second point is that it's unhelpful for game reviewers to not tell whether settings exist in these games that fit comfortably inside of 8 GB of VRAM, and focus exclusively on settings that require more VRAM so they can show how badly that PCIe bus chokes the game at the high end. What does it take for Spider-Man to fit inside 8 GB? The reviewer doesn't want you to know, apparently.


What 50 series card is lower end?


You mean 16 GB. The card NVIDIA is making these claims about has 16 GB, not 8 GB.

I could understand being mad if your only options were an 8 GB 5060 Ti for $379 and a 16 GB 5070 for $549, with nothing in between. That's quite a price gap! But the way you carry on, it sounds like you're planning to buy a 16 GB 5060 Ti for $429 and sit there and seethe while you play Cyberpunk at 4K Ultra that a cheaper product you didn't want to buy that can't handle the Ultra textures exists at all. Do you generally seethe with outrage about the existence of cheaper things that you don't want? For example, how angry are you about the existence of the 4 GB Radeon 6500 XT side by side with the 8 GB version of the card? Were you shocked and upset that if you ran games at settings that required more than 4 GB of VRAM, the 4 GB 6500 XT performed poorly? Seething with outrage? I just don't understand your mindset here.

And were all saying they shouldn't even make these cards anymore. Nobody believes you should run an 8gb card at 4k high, but when you have a card that can run 4k high given it had more VRAM. THEN IT SHOULD HAVE MORE VRAM.
The criticism is the same for the 6500xt they shouldn't have made a 4gb card. But unlike Nvidia, if AMD makes a shit product nobody buys it we don't have to hear endless cope about how its a reasonable product that makes sense and that there's no problem with getting subpar products for higher prices. Ive never seen anyone defend the 6500xt. I will say tho that the 5060ti 16gb is actually not bad for the money at msrp in terms of performance.

The VRAM issue is silly to argue against because in 1 -2 years well get a super refresh with more vram across the stack, and in the next gen well get more vram in general. And aside from some ultra low end oem card everything wil be 12gb or more. Nvidia and AMD know htat more VRAM is required for the future and clearly theyre willing to sell it to you you just have to pay 600$+ to maybe get enough for 1440p med - high. And seeing as youre a huge RT guy shouldnt you want more vram in all cards so all gamers can adopt the standard faster?

 

[Smaug's Smokey Hole 2]

My main point, which I will reiterate once again, is that you should not buy an 8 GB card and expect 10+ GB of data to fit comfortably in it. This is foolish. If you want to run games with settings that require 10+ GB of data, do not buy an 8 GB card. Either buy a better card, or reduce asset fidelity to fit in the VRAM.

Of course you can change the settings but I think the overall point is showing that the GPU itself CAN do it a those settings but with a lower amount of VRAM it's just not going to happen.

 

[The Ugly One]

Why make this comment then when we are talking about a 5060ti.

Because the 8 GB card is lower end than the 16 GB card, and I am advising you not to buy it if you are expecting to run games at settings that require more VRAM.

Nobody believes you should run an 8gb card at 4k high, but when you have a card that can run 4k high given it had more VRAM. THEN IT SHOULD HAVE MORE VRAM.

Then buy the 16 GB model. I don't understand why you are going to buy a 16 GB card and then be angry that the 8 GB card exists. Like why does it piss you off so much that a cheaper GPU you're not going to buy is out there somewhere? It doesn't make sense to me. I have never once gotten angry about a cheaper product I didn't buy...my cars, my house, my computers, my televisions, whatever. Not once in my whole life. I don't see why I should. Who cares? Why does this upset you so much?

The criticism is the same for the 6500xt they shouldn't have made a 4gb card.

Why not? The 8 GB model was available if you wanted more VRAM.

subpar products for higher prices.

The 8 GB card has a lower price than the 16 GB card, about $50 less.

Ive never seen anyone defend the 6500xt.

I've never seen anyone get hysterically angry about it and throw absolute fits about AMD shaving a few bucks of MSRP to offer a lower-end product to people willing to buy it. I actually did buy a GPU from that generation, the 6700 XT 12 GB. I'm not angry at all about the 4 GB card existing. Why should I be?

And seeing as youre a huge RT guy shouldnt you want more vram in all cards so all gamers can adopt the standard faster?

I don't care what settings other gamers run at. Why should I? If you buy an 8 GB card when $50 more gets you 16 GB, the only thing I really care about is that you not bitch and bitch and bitch forever that you can't run with ultra super-resolution textures. You paid for 8 GB. You got 8 GB. It said "8 GB" right there on the label. You were not tricked. Stop whining.

I'm not "defending" anything. NVIDIA is a trillion-dollar company that doesn't need keyboard warriors to make money. I don't like videos where people do bad experiments that don't vary parameters enough, or vary the right parameters, or vary enough parameters. They're not terribly informative. I like videos to have all the information I would like to see; why shouldn't I like that?

 

[Slav Power]

>the 5060Ti 8GB is such a bad idea for a product in 2025 that it shouldn't have been released to begin with
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[Fcret]

>the 5060Ti 8GB is such a bad idea for a product in 2025 that it shouldn't have been released to begin with
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Is it really a bad idea for a product if they're still selling out at the prices being charged?

 

[The Mass Shooter Ron Soye]

Is it really a bad idea for a product if they're still selling out at the prices being charged?

5060 Ti 8GB supply is close to non-existent. Also, AIBs were told not to supply the 8GB version to reviewers. We will have to wait a few weeks to see what the real situation is.

 

[Stratos Sphere]

Then buy the 16 GB model. I don't understand why you are going to buy a 16 GB card and then be angry that the 8 GB card exists. Like why does it piss you off so much that a cheaper GPU you're not going to buy is out there somewhere? It doesn't make sense to me. I have never once gotten angry about a cheaper product I didn't buy...my cars, my house, my computers, my televisions, whatever. Not once in my whole life. I don't see why I should. Who cares? Why does this upset you so much?

I have a 9070xt im chiling, i just dont get why were not allowed to demand more for what were getting.

I'm not "defending" anything. NVIDIA is a trillion-dollar company that doesn't need keyboard warriors to make money. I don't like videos where people do bad experiments that don't vary parameters enough, or vary the right parameters, or vary enough parameters. They're not terribly informative. I like videos to have all the information I would like to see; why shouldn't I like that?

Can you agree than that a modern gpu realeased in 2025 for 300+ should have more than 8gb. Do you agree that if a gpu can handle 4k it should be given the vram to play at that resolution cpmfotably.

Is it really a bad idea for a product if they're still selling out at the prices being charged?

Just like the b580 selling out because there are 5 cards available doesnt mean anything

 

[The Mass Shooter Ron Soye]

Local hotspots on RTX-5000 cards: When board layout and cooling design don’t work together and a pad mod has to help (archive)

Igor's Lab uncovers 'hotspot issue' affecting all RTX 50-series GPUs — says it could compromise graphics card longevity (archive)

There are no bad products, only bad prices.

 

[Betonhaus]

Local hotspots on RTX-5000 cards: When board layout and cooling design don’t work together and a pad mod has to help (archive)

Igor's Lab uncovers 'hotspot issue' affecting all RTX 50-series GPUs — says it could compromise graphics card longevity (archive)

There are no bad products, only bad prices.

At this rate I'm probably never buying a new GPU ever again.

 

[WULULULULU]

Tech caveman goes full TDS over tariffs.