GPUs & CPUs & Enthusiast hardware: Questions, Discussion and fanboy slap-fights - Nvidia & AMD & Intel - Separe but Equal. Intel rides in the back of the bus.

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WULULULULU said:
Tech caveman goes full TDS over tariffs.
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As if they were magically going to become affordable if the tariffs never happened.

So, it looks like a 3 hour video where he interviews companies where they explain why everything is going to cost more and their reasons of why they can't shift production to the USA. That's it. That's all this is. A waste of time, only looking at the short term. They should've never have done this vid, imo.
 
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Kindof just seems like he is trying to score political points tbh if he is going to be like 'uwu im just a smol boi nobody will actually listen to me' when talking about nvidia then proceed to try to do a hit piece on the president of the united states
 
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The Mass Shooter Ron Soye said:
Local hotspots on RTX-5000 cards: When board layout and cooling design don’t work together and a pad mod has to help (archive)

Igor's Lab uncovers 'hotspot issue' affecting all RTX 50-series GPUs — says it could compromise graphics card longevity (archive)

There are no bad products, only bad prices.
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Their datacenter cards last 1-2 years under load. The really high end datacenter servers last 20+ years under load.


Stratos Sphere said:
I have a 9070xt im chiling, i just dont get why were not allowed to demand more for what were getting.
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You are allowed to demand more. "More" is known as the 16 GB 5060 Ti. This is a real product you can buy if 8 GB isn't enough for you. I don't know why you keep acting like this product doesn't exist. Except it turns out you don't even want either card!

You and I go to McDonald's.

You: "The quarter pounder only has one patty!"
Me: "Yeah. A quarter pound of beef is one patty. It's right there in the name. It's 1/4 pound of beef. However, they offer the double QP if you want more."
You: "Well, this is outrageous! Hungry people want two patties!"
Me: "The double QP is right there on the menu."
You: "Well, don't you agree a burger should have two patties?"
Me: "It does. The double QP. Don't you see it right there on the menu?"
You: "This is an outrage! Only one patty?!?!?"
Me: "Jesus! Order the fucking double! Nothing is stopping you! Why are you so mad when the sandwich you want is right there on the goddamned menu???"
You: "Oh no, I ordered a McChicken. I don't want a burger."

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To answer your questions:

Stratos Sphere said:
Can you agree than that a modern gpu realeased in 2025 for 300+ should have more than 8gb.
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I don't assign moral values to computer specifications, so no, I don't actually agree it's immoral for a GPU to have 8 GB.

Stratos Sphere said:
Do you agree that if a gpu can handle 4k it should be given the vram to play at that resolution cpmfotably.
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A 4K frame buffer only takes 32 MB.
 
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The Ugly One said:
I don't assign moral values to computer specifications, so no, I don't actually agree it's immoral for a GPU to have 8 GB.
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There is no moral value being assigned here. I just want them to make better products. It seems you think I'm angrier about this than I really am. Time will prove me and others correct when in 2 years only ultra low end oem/workstation cards have 8gb of vram. Exactly like what happened to 4gb cards.
The Ugly One said:
You and I go to McDonald's.

You: "The quarter pounder only has one patty!"
Me: "Yeah. A quarter pound of beef is one patty. It's right there in the name. It's 1/4 pound of beef. However, they offer the double QP if you want more."
You: "Well, this is outrageous! Hungry people want two patties!"
Me: "The double QP is right there on the menu."
You: "Well, don't you agree a burger should have two patties?"
Me: "It does. The double QP. Don't you see it right there on the menu?"
You: "This is an outrage! Only one patty?!?!?"
Me: "Jesus! Order the fucking double! Nothing is stopping you! Why are you so mad when the sandwich you want is right there on the goddamned menu???"
You: "Oh no, I ordered a McChicken. I don't want a burger."
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We are allowed to criticize thing we may not personally be interested in buying.
This is also missing the point, Imagine McDonalds use to sell a half pounder, then years later they decide that they can sell a quarter pounder for the same price. They also claim its just as good or even better than the half pounder. I then look at that and say tis is getting too expensive the McChicken is better value.
In the case of gpus because I've owned both nvidia and amd cards in past I'm willing to look at the merits of both and buy accordingly when I believe to be getting good value. If i see that I'm paying the same price to get less food or more to get the same amount. I'm going to buy another menu item that might get me a better deal, that alone doesn't mean I cant criticize, complain, or discuss the decrease in value over time.
The Ugly One said:
A 4K frame buffer only takes 32 MB.
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You know what I and everyone else means when we say 4k capable card.
 
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TrinityReformed said:
So, it looks like a 3 hour video where he interviews companies where they explain why everything is going to cost more and their reasons of why they can't shift production to the USA. That's it. That's all this is. A waste of time, only looking at the short term. They should've never have done this vid, imo.
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From the beginning of the video it paints a picture of "oh these poor companies, please feel bad for us", and I can't help but feel disgusted because it's like painting the bullies as the victim as they continue to get away with the shit they do, screwing everyone else over in the process just to benefit themselves.
 
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Stratos Sphere said:
Imagine McDonalds use to sell a half pounder, then years later they decide that they can sell a quarter pounder for the same price.
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I don't have to imagine this. A quarter pounder does, in fact, cost what a double quarter pounder used to cost in 2017 or so. Welcome to the world of double digit inflation. Angry yet? Furious that McDonald's leaves the single QP on the menu?

Stratos Sphere said:
They also claim its just as good or even better than the half pounder.
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NVIDIA does not claim the 5060 Ti 8 GB is faster than the 5060 Ti 16 GB. Not that their marketing isn't often hilariously dishonest in other ways.

Stratos Sphere said:
You know what I and everyone else means when we say 4k capable card.
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I really don't. I mean, "a GPU that has enough fill rate to color 500 million pixels a second (i.e. 4k @ 60 fps) with coloring operations typical of the games of its day." If you can choose the right balance of settings for your card to run at a consistent 60 fps at a 4k resolution, I would consider that a "4k capable card." You clearly wouldn't, for whatever reason.

I just think that if you're willing to accept half the VRAM to save $50, then you need to be willing to accept you can't run games with those super-resolution ultra texture packs.
 
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Celebrate Nite said:
From the beginning of the video it paints a picture of "oh these poor companies, please feel bad for us", and I can't help but feel disgusted because it's like painting the bullies as the victim as they continue to get away with the shit they do, screwing everyone else over in the process just to benefit themselves.
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I keep feeling the same revulsion here as with the Springfield,OH factory owner using $9/hr Haitians. It feels that Steve here is just selling videos to Redditors now.
 
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Thinking of Steve here, it feels like computer components besides the main circuit boards and silicon, (AIOs,fans,coolers,cases) seem to be all made in the exact same Chinese factories with different a label slapped on it What's stopping the factories from talking directly to the customer, similar to what's happening with clothing right now.
I keep thinking of the $50 the chinese factory charged him to make a GN "gamer chair".
 
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Mister Fister said:
What's stopping the factories from talking directly to the customer, similar to what's happening with clothing right now.
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Trump. Between the tariffs and the de minimis "Temu loophole" being closed.

Ms. Johnson is one of many American consumers who have been posting anxiously to TikTok and Reddit about a coming Trump administration-induced change for the Chinese e-commerce companies Shein and Temu, which sell inexpensive items like $8 dresses and $14 wagons. Starting on May 2, the Trump administration is poised to end a trade loophole that enabled the delivery of ultralow-cost goods from Chinese factories straight to Americans’ doorsteps without being subject to duties. That will add steep new fees to packages from Shein and Temu.
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TSMC unveils 1.4nm technology: 2nd Gen GAA transistors, full node advantages, coming in 2028

TSMC A14 will be a "full" node shrink from N2, but without the backside power delivery featured in A16. I guess this tracks with it adding cost or complexity and being an optional feature of Intel 18A. But it will probably become standard at some point after "A14 SPR".

The density improvement of the PPA is also lackluster: A14 is +10-15% performance, or 25-30% power reduction, while having 1.23x logic density or 1.2x "mixed density" compared to N2. The A16 node gets 1.07-1.1x density from adding backside power, so A14 SPR is probably up to 1.35x the density of N2.
 
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