GPUs & CPUs & Enthusiast hardware: Questions, Discussion and fanboy slap-fights - Nvidia & AMD & Intel - Separe but Equal. Intel rides in the back of the bus.

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Bogan said:
In DerBauer's video he took a heat camera and pointed it at the cable to show only 2 of them were being used. He even cut cables to show it wasn't affecting the card at all.
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Yeah, this is due to the GPU being unable to load balance because of no monitoring for it built into the board, but it isn't going to be like this for every 5090 or 4090, otherwise the failure rate for 4090s would have been enormous, it's just a very dangerous way of doing things that leaves little to no room for safety if something goes wrong like in derbauers case
 
triforce9001 said:
AMD is at least somewhat open source software-wise
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I'm not interested in fixing anyone's software for them.

Gerelatha said:
it's just a very dangerous way of doing things that leaves little to no room for safety if something goes wrong like in derbauers case
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Designs that fail easily under real-world variations are bad designs. We're seeing more and more of this as Dennard scaling has failed, meaning we only really get more compute performance by cramming more power through smaller and smaller areas, which in turn increases the ways heat can destroy your system.
 
The Ugly One said:
They push as many bugs as they fix. I just couldn't care less if a product I'm not working on is open source. Why should I?
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Why should you? I don't know, I guess it's up to you to decide whether you care for some various reasons or not. So if you don't, then you don't, I'm not here to force my subjective opinions down anyone's throats as some kind of objective truths, different people care about different things. I simply like the fact my drivers are open source, one reason being that I can expect my drivers to improve steadily over time and I can monitor its progress and I have the possibility of even attempting to patch my drivers myself if I'm desperate enough.
 
triforce9001 said:
I can expect my drivers to improve steadily over time
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Richard Stallman didn't invent continuous improvement. And in general, AMD lags NVIDIA in improving their software by an almost comical degree. I hear they finally started using issue tracking, though.
 
triforce9001 said:
Why should you? I don't know, I guess it's up to you to decide whether you care for some various reasons or not. So if you don't, then you don't, I'm not here to force my subjective opinions down anyone's throats as some kind of objective truths, different people care about different things. I simply like the fact my drivers are open source, one reason being that I can expect my drivers to improve steadily over time and I can monitor its progress and I have the possibility of even attempting to patch my drivers myself if I'm desperate enough.
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this is becoming rapidly less of a problem for NVIDIA, they open sourced a lot of stuff that was closed source before and have become downright usable on linux, though this is probably because AI workloads go a lot faster on linux than windows
 
Gerelatha said:
I’ve seen lots of reports of widespread driver issues but I’ve been lucky enough to not run into those so far, but they have been pretty shit and unstable since the 50 series dropped
and the 12VHPWR connector is pretty dogshit, the 5090 should realistically have 2 since they want to push it basically right to the safety limit of the cable at stock, for that reason alone I’ve been running an undervolt on mine just to back away from that safety limit
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nVidia set the power usage way too high. It seems to run fine at 450watts.
 
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triforce9001 said:
I can't believe some of you faggots are actually buying NV-slop. As if the 5090 price is okay and justified. AMD is at least somewhat open source software-wise and has reasonable pricing.
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Nvidia's linux drivers have been as open as AMD's for like two years now.
 
I've had both a 3050 Ti Laptop and a 6700 XT for a couple years now. Next desktop GPU will be NVIDIA. The main, overarching reason is NVIDIA has been the thought leader in the GPU space for 10 years now. ATI had a good run until not long after AMD acquired them, really. I remember when the 9800 Pro was shitting all over the FX series, but those days are long behind us. Right now, NVIDIA leads in raytracing and AI enhancement, and I'm reasonably certain that whatever technology is hot in 2026 or 2027 will be brought to market by NVIDIA, not AMD. I have been deeply impressed by what my comparatively pokey-on-paper laptop can do while staying under 75W power consumption. It makes a 3060 Ti a tempting sidegrade already, and unless NVIDIA completely shits the bed with their 3nm(?) next-gen card, I think the 6060 is probably going to get me to shell out some cash, assuming they keep the power under 200W and have 2-slot version.

I don't care that Lisa Su is a good person or that AMD is nice to the FOSS community or lets you see the source code of HIP, and I don't care about Linux on the desktop. Intel will probably be killed off by Lip Bu, and I play lots of ancient games, so I'm not interested in their backward compatibility crapshoot.
 
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The Ugly One said:
I've had both a 3050 Ti Laptop and a 6700 XT for a couple years now. Next desktop GPU will be NVIDIA. The main, overarching reason is NVIDIA has been the thought leader in the GPU space for 10 years now. ATI had a good run until not long after AMD acquired them, really. I remember when the 9800 Pro was shitting all over the FX series, but those days are long behind us. Right now, NVIDIA leads in raytracing and AI enhancement, and I'm reasonably certain that whatever technology is hot in 2026 or 2027 will be brought to market by NVIDIA, not AMD. I have been deeply impressed by what my comparatively pokey-on-paper laptop can do while staying under 75W power consumption. It makes a 3060 Ti a tempting sidegrade already, and unless NVIDIA completely shits the bed with their 3nm(?) next-gen card, I think the 6060 is probably going to get me to shell out some cash, assuming they keep the power under 200W and have 2-slot version.

I don't care that Lisa Su is a good person or that AMD is nice to the FOSS community or lets you see the source code of HIP, and I don't care about Linux on the desktop. Intel will probably be killed off by Lip Bu, and I play lots of ancient games, so I'm not interested in their backward compatibility crapshoot.
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Don't you know Yellow man bad?
 
The Ugly One said:
Right now, NVIDIA leads in raytracing and AI enhancement, and I'm reasonably certain that whatever technology is hot in 2026 or 2027 will be brought to market by NVIDIA, not AMD. I have been deeply impressed by what my comparatively pokey-on-paper laptop can do while staying under 75W power consumption.
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"Everyone" is saying Nvidia's drivers suck worse than AMD with this generation. I get it though, the money's in AI AI AI.


I'll be interested to see what technologies they can possibly invent to keep AMD shamefully copying them 18 months later. Maybe the texture neural compression thing will strike 8 GB gold.

In other news, AMD improved CPU market shares again:

AMD Achieves Record Server Revenue Share, x86 Desktop CPU Market Share Grows To 28% (archive)
Unit ShareRevenue Share
Server27.2%39.4%
Desktop28%34.4%
Mobile22.5%22.1%


AMD's revenue share is higher than market share in server/desktop. There have been decent deals on Intel CPUs such as the 265K lately.
 
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The Mass Shooter Ron Soye said:
"Everyone" is saying Nvidia's drivers suck worse than AMD with this generation. I get it though, the money's in AI AI AI.
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I remember the Detonator drivers back in the day being an absolute shitshow. Back to the good old days of hyperoptimization it is!

The Mass Shooter Ron Soye said:
I'll be interested to see what technologies they can possibly invent to keep AMD shamefully copying them 18 months later. Maybe the texture neural compression thing will strike 8 GB gold.
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I think the next big thing will be using inferencing to display things that traditional polygons & textures just can't do.



The Mass Shooter Ron Soye said:
In other news, AMD improved CPU market shares again:
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They're over half in workstations and HPC servers. I'm not sure how much their security issues are hurting them in infrastructure servers.
 
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What would be a relatively cheap mini desktop PC that's all AMD and faster then a Nvidia 1660 super?
 
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