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Question for you guys:

Is 4k worth it? I dont really watch anything HD or do any photo editing, I just like playing vidya. Is it better just to stick with a nice 1080p monitor with a super high refresh rate and ultra low response time?

Fuck, it's almost humiliating asking these questions. i used to build gaming systems as part of my living 20 years ago and now didn't even know SLI is obsolete now.
1440p is the popular compromise. Noticeably better looking than 1080p, and not near as demanding to run as 4k.

4k is “worth” it if you play a lot of popular triple AAA titles that pride itself on its graphic fidelity AND you have the funds to build an adequate rig that can pull off 4k.
 
Is 4k worth it? I dont really watch anything HD or do any photo editing, I just like playing vidya. Is it better just to stick with a nice 1080p monitor with a super high refresh rate and ultra low response time?

Fuck, it's almost humiliating asking these questions. i used to build gaming systems as part of my living 20 years ago and now didn't even know SLI is obsolete now.
if your eye isn't used to 4K details? nah.
if anything pick a curved 32" monitor with the extras like response/refresh, i was waiting for a gigabyte M32QC but it ran out of stock so i have to keep cursing until the day they restock the damn things.
if you pick a modern 16GB gpu it won't have much trouble handling it.
 
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Is 4k worth it? I dont really watch anything HD or do any photo editing, I just like playing vidya. Is it better just to stick with a nice 1080p monitor with a super high refresh rate and ultra low response time?
I haven't used a super high end 1080p monitor, but I did go from a high end 1440p monitor to a 4K one and it is definitely nicer, even if the performance took a massive hit.
 
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Question for you guys:

Is 4k worth it? I dont really watch anything HD or do any photo editing, I just like playing vidya. Is it better just to stick with a nice 1080p monitor with a super high refresh rate and ultra low response time?

Fuck, it's almost humiliating asking these questions. i used to build gaming systems as part of my living 20 years ago and now didn't even know SLI is obsolete now.
I switched from a 60 Hz 4K monitor to a 162 Hz 1440p monitor and regret nothing.
 
Question for you guys:

Is 4k worth it? I dont really watch anything HD or do any photo editing, I just like playing vidya. Is it better just to stick with a nice 1080p monitor with a super high refresh rate and ultra low response time?

Fuck, it's almost humiliating asking these questions. i used to build gaming systems as part of my living 20 years ago and now didn't even know SLI is obsolete now.
If you're buying a new monitor, there's no reason to bother with 1080p. 1440p is only slightly more expensive now (and sometimes actually cheaper) and offers improved visual fidelity at common monitor sizes. Entry-level high-refresh, low response-time 1440p monitors can be found for like $200 now.

4K is 'worth it' if you want to move beyond 27" monitors but it definitely still has a price premium and the hardware needed to run games at 4K (even with upscaling) can be quite expensive.

tl;dr go 1440p especially if you have a midrange gpu
 
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Wildcat Lake is Xe3 graphics like Panther Lake and largely following the same driver code paths albeit won't be as performant as Panther Lake. Wildcat Lake also lacks hardware ray-tracing support.
QwertyChouskie said:
No hardware RT is an interesting choice, given some games literally require RT support now. Maybe we'll see RADV's software RT ported to ANV?
 
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After going back and forth with driver-enabled Fluid Motion Frames, outright disabling at one point, AMD has settled on only allowing it in fullscreen exclusive mode...which is not supported by DX12 and therefore won't work in more recent games where I actually want it.

4K is 'worth it' if you want to move beyond 27" monitors but it definitely still has a price premium and the hardware needed to run games at 4K (even with upscaling) can be quite expensive.
DLSS Performance upscales to 4K from 1080p. Most of the 50-series cards out now can actually handle it. I don't really feel the qualitative difference between 1440p and 4K is worth the money, though.
 
vulkan finally getting some love, it's like they remember vulkan exists in the same way a forgetful parent remembers the baby is in the car under the midday sun.
Everyone knows Vulkan exists though, at least on Linux. Pretty much every GPU since like 2018 has supported Vulkan on Linux as it's what everything that's not a Windows app running in Wine uses (outside of some older stuff which is still using OpenGL). And even in Wine, it's the backend for playing Windows games via dxvk.
 
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This suggests Wildcat Lake will be tiny only 2P+4E.

So gaming on it would be a mistake, even if you're the sort who doesn't mind keeping settings low enough for an iGPU.
Wildcat Lake is a replacement for Alder Lake-N (N100, N305, etc).

In single-thread, a Cougar Cove P-core boosting to 4.0-5.0 GHz or whatever will slap the shit out of the N355's Gracemont E-core at 3.9 GHz. I think it will have double the ST, if not more. It will finally move performance way beyond the Skylake era, and be more comparable to lower-clocked Golden Cove, or better. Hybrid/heterogeneous will be massive for Atom.

The node is moving from Intel 7 (10nm Enhanced SuperFin) to Intel 18A which should be great for power efficiency and allow the P-cores to clock relatively high. Don't expect for it to have backside power delivery, which is an optional and more expensive feature of the 18A node.

Multi-thread. I think it's more like 2P+4LPE. The lines could be blurred depending on how the LPE cluster handles L3 cache. Darkmont will be a minor IPC bump compared to Skymont, but Skymont brought huge integer/floating IPC increases over Gracemont/Crestmont. I guess it could be 50-100% faster than the N355 overall with its 6 threads total (no P-core hyperthreading). If the LPE-cores can't use L3 cache, that will be a weak point because of many L2 cache misses.

The leak says 2 Xe3 cores. It's tough to guess the performance increase here but I think anywhere from +100-200% is plausible, with clock speeds playing a big role. Lunar Lake clocks Xe2-LPG cores at 1.85-2.05 GHz depending on the SKU. Alder Lake-N is Xe1-LP at 750 MHz in the N100, 1.35 GHz in N350/N355. 18A node should help a lot here. Faster LPDDR5X memory support could help, but the real deal would be having dual-channel memory again. No word on that yet.

32 EUs Xe1-LP is a low starting place, but double/triple that is a big improvement that will be good for le older games and emulators.

Other features: It's going to have an 18 TOPS NPU, so, trash. It should have AV1 encode and H.266/VVC decode. Maybe the media engine is newer than Lunar Lake, idk.

Add it all up and it will be great for the low-end. There's one problem though: segmentation. Alder Lake-N is an 8-core die with the majority of products disabled to 4-core N100/N95coof/N97/N200. There's even a dual-core for the embedded market.

Are they going to disable down to 1P+3LPE? For graphics, I guess they can only slash it in half to 1 Xe3 core. The hopium on this is it could be more like Lunar Lake which enabled all CPU cores on all SKUs, but disabled from 8 Xe cores to 7 Xe cores on the bottom half of the lineup. Yields on these tiny dies should be very high.
 
Some miscellaneous product release news.
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Arctic has recently made their brand new P12 PRO fans available for individual purchase after initially premiering them with the Freezer III PRO AIO's, and they already have 140mm PRO AIO's available on sale, meaning that in the upcoming months you'll be able to purchase P14 PRO fans individually. Honestly I'm a bit mad since I've invested a fair bit in P12/P14 Max fans for my build, but I'll wait for some more in-depth tests of these to see how they compare. I'm still happy with my current wind farm.
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There's also this, Summair 2go, a portable rechargeable fan that runs off of a user replaceable 26650 Li-Ion cell. Not gonna lie, kinda want one to carry in my bag.
 
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