GPUs & CPUs & Enthusiast hardware: Questions, Discussion and fanboy slap-fights - Nvidia & AMD & Intel - Separe but Equal. Intel rides in the back of the bus.

[The Ugly One]

nVidia always had more efficient internal infrastructure. It is not just bw.

They've also always had a better memory architecture. AMD chips, including their CPUs, are always far below their rated bandwidth compared to NVIDIA or even Intel or Power. They've usually had more memory channels and L3 cache than Xeon as of late, though, so they still win.

Nvidia's reputation for reliability is overblown and outdated.

They're digging HBM chips out of the gutter these days to make H100 & H200 shipments. Just absolute garbage-quality hardware is being shipped to datacenters these days; you're lucky if your DGX doesn't explode into flames after 18 months.

 

[Dawdler]

They deserve nothing better. It is absolutely retarded all the gpu processing power is going to the Ai.

 

[Stratos Sphere]

No, these benchmarks are misleading. Typical laptop battery use doesn't involve spinning all the compute units as hot as you can with the most demanding game you can run and waiting for the battery to drain. It's extremely bursty with lots of idling. IME AMD CPUs tend to run at higher frequencies and suck a lot more power than Intel CPUs at idle. Just a broad trend.

The Laptop Mag web surfing test is much more representative of typical energy consumption while on battery and thus a lot closer to the results you will see in the real world.

However, I can make my ASUS laptop last longer with better software, I'm all ears. I have a Ryzen 7 6800U that refuses to run below 2 GHz most of the time unless I limit it in the ASUS software. Even then, I've never gotten over 90 minutes.

I have a 7940hs its pretty efficient using at most 5-6w while browsing the web. I was fixing a Lenovo laptop with a 13500h and even heavily limited it it wouldn't go lower than 7-9w. Unfortunately there arent many live amd vs intel comparisons like we have for smartphones or even the m chips vs intel. So I cant prove 100% what I'm saying as I don't have an intel laptop at the ready.

 

[Gerelatha]

Modern gpu needs external modification to beat an 8 year old card what a fucking joke

it beats the 1080ti stock, when OC’d it smashes it
1080ti bagholders need to let it die already

 

[Otis Mallebrok]

What gets me is that the 5050 (GB207) is 149mm^2 for 2,560 CUDA cores, while the 5060 Ti (GB206) is 181mm^2 for 4,608 cores. That's 80% more cores for 21.5% more die area.

The memory controller and cache takes up a lot of space, and you can't really scale it down without reducing buswidth. I think that is what is going on here. But appears to be a shitty card

 

[The Mass Shooter Ron Soye]

The memory controller and cache takes up a lot of space, and you can't really scale it down without reducing buswidth. I think that is what is going on here. But appears to be a shitty card

That's what I gathered. It's not just a shitty card (generally slower than 4060 while using more power), the die it's based on is imbalanced and that drives up the cost.

Maybe they can afford to sell the 5050 for $200, but the limits of the low-end are in sight if the price floor is too high. An even cheaper 64-bit Blackwell spiritual successor to the 6500 XT could be impractical, with poor price/perf, and panned even if it had 8 GB. And 12 GB GDDR7 on 64-bit would defeat the purpose.

But it does have DLSS multi-frame gen support so everything I said was wrong and we should all run out and buy one. It's as good as a 4070 Super.

 

[Otis Mallebrok]

And 12 GB GDDR7 on 64-bit would defeat the purpose.

How would you put 12 GB gddr7 on a 64 width bus?

 

[The Mass Shooter Ron Soye]

How would you put 12 GB gddr7 on a 64 width bus?

You can put 4 chips on 64-bit in clamshell configuration (like the rare 8 GB version of the 6500 XT) and 8 chips on 128-bit (9060 XT 16 GB or 5060 Ti 16 GB).

GDDR6 maxes out at 2 GB chips, while GDDR7 has 3 GB (standard allows 4 GB, 6 GB, 8 GB in the future, but only if memory manufacturers make it).

So 12 GB is technically possible on 64-bit, 24 GB on 128-bit, 36 GB on 192-bit, 48 GB on 256-bit. But those aren't going to be seen outside of pro cards because gamers don't need that much.

We will see:
5070 Super 18 GB (192-bit)
5070 Ti Super 24 GB and 5080 Super 24 GB (256-bit)

The RTX PRO 6000 Blackwell Workstation Edition uses a 512-bit bus, 3 GB GDDR7 chips, and clamshell to reach 96 GB.

 

[The Ugly One]

Interestingly, my 12 GB card seems to run out of memory in Diablo IV with ultra textures & RT on medium. Upscaling doesn't help it, but knocking the textures down a level does.

Edit: It runs mostly fine with RT medium (50-60 fps) or perfectly well with ultra textures (82 fps capped, but dips a lot between areas). With both, it crashes to like 10 fps and the VRAM is full. That's too much of a FPS hit to blame the bandwidth, so I blame the PCIe bus.

 

[4090 Chad]

Interestingly, my 12 GB card seems to run out of memory in Diablo IV with ultra textures & RT on medium. Upscaling doesn't help it, but knocking the textures down a level does.

Edit: It runs mostly fine with RT medium (50-60 fps) or perfectly well with ultra textures (82 fps capped, but dips a lot between areas). With both, it crashes to like 10 fps and the VRAM is full. That's too much of a FPS hit to blame the bandwidth, so I blame the PCIe bus.

That’s what always amused me about nvidia being turbo jews about their vram. They advertise features like RT and frame gen, but then gimp their lower tier cards so they can’t even effectively utilize them

 

[The Mass Shooter Ron Soye]

That’s what always amused me about nvidia being turbo jews about their vram. They advertise features like RT and frame gen, but then gimp their lower tier cards so they can’t even effectively utilize them

@The Ugly One unleashes hellfire against his Radeon 6700 XT once again... or did he get rid of it?

 

[The Ugly One]

That’s what always amused me about nvidia being turbo jews about their vram. They advertise features like RT and frame gen, but then gimp their lower tier cards so they can’t even effectively utilize them

A generated 4K frame only takes 34 MB. A real frame takes a lot more because it's composed of God knows how many layers, especially with deferred shading. Killzone 2 was almost 20 years ago and I think composed something like 7 layers to make a frame. The real killer is textures.

@The Ugly One unleashes hellfire against his Radeon 6700 XT once again... or did he get rid of it?

I still have it. A 5060 Ti is still too much of a sidegrade.

 

[Sneed Lurker]

I just built my zero RGB build and I think it's one of the best looking computers I've built so far. It's so easy to build a computer when you don't have to deal with a shit ton of ARGB cables you need to cable manage.waiting for my new psu to arrive to actually cable manage and connect front io connectors

With the power of discount maxxing I gathered up all the parts for around 1500 dollars before tax. Not bad for a 5070ti build

 

[harbringer883]

I just built my zero RGB build and I think it's one of the best looking computers I've built so far. It's so easy to build a computer when you don't have to deal with a shit ton of ARGB cables you need to cable manage.waiting for my new psu to arrive to actually cable manage and connect front io connectors
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With the power of discount maxxing I gathered up all the parts for less than 1400 dollars after tax. Not bad for a 5070ti build

What are your specs?

 

[Mister Fister]

I just built my zero RGB build and I think it's one of the best looking computers I've built so far. It's so easy to build a computer when you don't have to deal with a shit ton of ARGB cables you need to cable manage.waiting for my new psu to arrive to actually cable manage and connect front io connectors
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With the power of discount maxxing I gathered up all the parts for less than 1400 dollars after tax. Not bad for a 5070ti build

A PS5 PRO with 5 years of internet and all accessories is $1200.

 

[Sneed Lurker]

What are your specs?

Here's my list of parts and what I paid for them. I saved up store credit, had some gift cards, and waited for some good deals. I managed to get a 675 dollar 5070ti from Walmart after they screwed up the listing photos and I spoke to Walmart support about it

The 9600x is a temporary CPU until Zen 6 comes out next year. I'm going to keep my 5070ti until the 24GB 5080 super comes out, or the 6080. The Asrock psu is supposedly an A rated power supply with NTC sensors for the 12vhpwr cable. I could have saved more money if I didn't go with the tomahawk and the 4tb drive, but I'll still never buy another motherboard that doesn't have a POST code display

 

[harbringer883]

Here's my list of parts and what I paid for them. I saved up store credit, had some gift cards, and waited for some good deals. I managed to get a 675 dollar 5070ti from Walmart after they screwed up the listing photos and I spoke to Walmart support about it
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The 9600x is a temporary CPU until Zen 6 comes out next year. I'm going to keep my 5070ti until the 24GB 5080 super comes out. The Asrock psu is supposedly an A rated power supply with ntc sensors for the 12vhpwr cable.

Great build man. Im actually crying at how good prices in america are compared to canada. I was able to buy my 5600x, case, psu, ram, mobo second hand for well bellow market price from a friend and then just bought a b580 on sale. So in the end my PC cost $780 CAD, but if I had bought any of the parts at full price it would have cost almost 1.2k. Absolutely insane.

 

[Betonhaus]

I need an american friend i trust with money and my address. Or maybe I should start shipping things to border storage then make a day trip to Sweet Grass once in a while

it was so much easier when i lived in Lethbridge and could pop into America between classes on Wednesdays when I had an extra long lunch break

 

[The Mass Shooter Ron Soye]

https://preservetube.com/watch?v=pMhHBbKtWkE

The video incorrectly claims that Lunar Lake's LP E-core cluster has 4 MiB shared L3, it's 4 MiB shared L2 with no L3. P-core cluster gets 2.5 MiB L2 per core, and 12 MiB L3.

 

[harbringer883]

I need an american friend i trust with money and my address. Or maybe I should start shipping things to border storage then make a day trip to Sweet Grass once in a while

it was so much easier when i lived in Lethbridge and could pop into America between classes on Wednesdays when I had an extra long lunch break

What the fuck is in america around lethbridge? Reserves?