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The Mass Shooter Ron Soye said:
Did anybody notice that RTX 3060 has 12 GB of memory? More than the 3060 Ti, 3070, and 3080.
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The 3060 needs 8GB but they can't give it that, so doubling they're doubling capacity of the memory modules and giving it 12. The other option is 10 but that would weaken the card. It won't end at the 3060 being odd either. Maybe the 3050 will have 8GB and the future cost cutting card will have 10GB while the 3050TI will have 6GB and be much faster than the other ones. I really don't think that will happen but they're in a weird position right now.
 
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Smaug's Smokey Hole said:
The 3060 needs 8GB but they can't give it that, so doubling they're doubling capacity of the memory modules and giving it 12. The other option is 10 but that would weaken the card. It won't end at the 3060 being odd either. Maybe the 3050 will have 8GB and the future cost cutting card will have 10GB while the 3050TI will have 6GB and be much faster than the other ones. I really don't think that will happen but they're in a weird position right now.
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The only reason why they're adding 12 is simple: The 6700XT will have 12GB as well and will possibly be slightly more expensive. Either way I feel bad for people who waited to use their 3080, only for a card that is around 300 quid less to have more VRAM
 
Smaug's Smokey Hole said:
Quadro most definitely, the consumer cards are heavily kneecapped for CAD work.
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The P2000 is a GTX 1050 and it's beating the RTX 2080TI. You can run SolidWorks and AutoCAD on a laptop using Intel's IGPU, people do that, so it all depends on the workload, maybe you don't even need a discrete GPU? It's like those benchmarks showing that a card runs a game at 700fps while another only runs it at 220fps so therefore... but the P2000 is a lot cheaper than the 2080 so if the computer is only meant for CAD then buying the cheaper AND faster card makes sense.
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This is because you pay for the certified professional-grade drivers and the support. Like with a lot of business software, you want to know that if it breaks, there'll be someone on the other end of the phone to help you fix it right now because otherwise you can't do the work and get paid for it, and thus you and your staff don't eat.
 
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Ginger Piglet said:
This is because you pay for the certified professional-grade drivers and the support. Like with a lot of business software, you want to know that if it breaks, there'll be someone on the other end of the phone to help you fix it right now because otherwise you can't do the work and get paid for it, and thus you and your staff don't eat.
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That and certain OpenGL functions are throttled on the consumer cards by the driver, functions a game would never use, that's why the 2080TI performs worse than the previous gen entry level card. When they released the first Quadro this meant throttling the GeForce 256 drivers and making certain applications very slow. I don't remember the numbers but they throttled anti-aliased lines from what the GF256 was actually capable of, maybe 60000 per second, down to 600 per second. I don't remember, but they made some things around a 100 times slower to get professionals over to the brand new Quadro line. Or you could change a thing in the registry and have it identify as a Quadro and remove all consumer limitations(by installing that set of drivers).

10bit color was limited to Quadros as well until a couple of years back because there was no reason for a normal consumer to use it until 10bit HDR displays were released.
 
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Somewhat good news for EVGA waiters. No comment on if they will even have cards between now and april though.
 
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Kikkoman said:
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Somewhat good news for EVGA waiters. No comment on if they will even have cards between now and april though.
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Ah shit. Well, too bad for me. I got impatient and decided to get the MSI Suprim 3090. But I'm just fucking glad my build is done.

GPU: MSI RTX 3090 Suprim X 24G
CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 5600X
PSU: EVGA SuperNOVA 850 GA, 80 Plus Gold 850W
RAM: CORSAIR Vengeance RGB Pro 64GB (2 x 32GB) 288-Pin DDR4 SDRAM DDR4 3200
MOBO: GIGABYTE X570 AORUS ELITE WIFI AM4 AMD X570
Case: MSI – MPG SEKIRA 100R
Storage: Samsung (MZ-V7E1T0BW) 970 EVO SSD 1TB / Seagate BarraCuda ST2000DM008 2TB 7200 RPM

Cost: Too fucking much. But 2020 was miserable so I decided to splurge.
 
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Just Some Other Guy said:
It's more about cooling, but in relation to GPUs I do feel bad for this one:


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Behold: Everything wrong with the mini itx fad nowadays.
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And it's not even that small. Though to be fair the Founders Edition is best for SFF because it's effectively a double blower and fired the hot air out the ends.

Welp, as I may have said I pulled the trigger on the EVGA FTW Ultra 3080 because Scan offered to let me change queues and my new queue position is 1. Yet for reasons I can't understand, they are according to their own stock grid sitting on the FTW Ultra cards for this purpose, yet there's no indication of when I'm going to be sent mine. Sticking my order number into their site reveals a delivery date of today. It's not there.

I suspect they have given everyone who switched a queue position of 1 and are going to claim not to know when the next shipment arrives. It may have been a trap given that they refused to hand out queue positions or information as to deliveries for weeks. I ring them on Monday to elicit what is going on here.
 
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Ginger Piglet said:
And it's not even that small. Though to be fair the Founders Edition is best for SFF because it's effectively a double blower and fired the hot air out the ends.

Welp, as I may have said I pulled the trigger on the EVGA FTW Ultra 3080 because Scan offered to let me change queues and my new queue position is 1. Yet for reasons I can't understand, they are according to their own stock grid sitting on the FTW Ultra cards for this purpose, yet there's no indication of when I'm going to be sent mine. Sticking my order number into their site reveals a delivery date of today. It's not there.

I suspect they have given everyone who switched a queue position of 1 and are going to claim not to know when the next shipment arrives. It may have been a trap given that they refused to hand out queue positions or information as to deliveries for weeks. I ring them on Monday to elicit what is going on here.
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While that may be true, I don't think having half of the gpu fan blocked helps much regardless of blower style.
 
I like ITX and my current system is also ITX. It does need some thought and that it gets increasingly harder to remove the heat energy from an increasingly small space is a no brainer, and needs some additional thought. Otherwise it's space saving and these days with fast USB you barely ever need more than one PCIe slot.

Some of the very small cases are ridiculous and simply too small for what people put in them though.
 
AmpleApricots said:
I like ITX and my current system is also ITX. It does need some thought and that it gets increasingly harder to remove the heat energy from an increasingly small space is a no brainer, and needs some additional thought. Otherwise it's space saving and these days with fast USB you barely ever need more than one PCIe slot.

Some of the very small cases are ridiculous and simply too small for what people put in them though.
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Mini ITX is neat and has it's applications

However, it's as overdone as rgb nowadays.

Though it does provide endless entertainment of ppl bitching about cramming fingers and having to rig shit to fit.

Note, this isn't even limited to sff cases. Even large ones chase the "cram it all in" fad and don't leave shit for tools/fingers to fit
 
AmpleApricots said:
Some of the very small cases are ridiculous and simply too small for what people put in them though.
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Mine is a Kolink Rocket. I had to drill holes in the base for an additional fan which I podged in the hard drive tray, put spacers on the side panels to allow a thicker GPU and taller CPU cooler to fit (I used the Alpenfohn Black Ridge and strapped a second Noctua 120mm fan on top of it), and stick on taller feet to allow airflow up through the base. I also flipped my power supply around so the fan faces inwards just to suck up that extra bit of hot air and push it out (it's a Silverstone 800W Titanium so I'm confident that it can take it; you don't get 80+ Titanium rating without some durability.)

I think my setup (Ryzen 3700X / RTX 3080 when it arrives) is kinda on the edge of what's possible with SFF. Much as I would love to attempt an RTX 3080 Ti FE / Ryzen 5950X in a Dan A4, it's just not happening. I don't know if there's any cooler that can fit in a sandwich style case and dissipate 105W.

I think to get any smaller than the Kolink Rocket / Dan A4, the only solution would be to custom-build a case that is literally the same size as an ITX motherboard, Ryzen 5600X or maybe even the 5500X if that turns up (6 cores but lower clocks?), Noctua L9a super low profile cooler, then use a short GPU sandwiched with it back to back via a riser cable, then a server style power supply. And if you do that it will be noisy because those server PSUs have tiny lil' 40mm fans that go at 6,000+ RPM.
 
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Just Some Other Guy said:
Mini ITX is neat and has it's applications

However, it's as overdone as rgb nowadays.

Though it does provide endless entertainment of ppl bitching about cramming fingers and having to rig shit to fit.

Note, this isn't even limited to sff cases. Even large ones chase the "cram it all in" fad and don't leave shit for tools/fingers to fit
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My main Power-Bill Fattening rig would never be ITX or mATX, but for a semi-portable workstation/some light gaming solution - why not?
 
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