GPUs & CPUs & Enthusiast hardware: Questions, Discussion and fanboy slap-fights - Nvidia & AMD & Intel - Separe but Equal. Intel rides in the back of the bus.

[The Real SVP]

US EZ mode.

Other way around. I can still get anything I want, in quantity, with guaranteed delivery dates, from European suppliers. They can even deliver fast, if I pay for air freight. Shit's expensive, but available. Meanwhile US suppliers are straight up out. They are not even making promises or pretending that they might get stock in the near future, anymore.

 

[The Mass Shooter Ron Soye]

I really wonder how effective driver based limitations are going to be, and I do wonder if it will have unintended effects considering they are targeting specific mathematical calculations for the slowdown.

From the article it mentions the resell value will be lowered on the crypto cards. Who the heck buys used crypto-GPUs, or used high-end GPUs anyway? They've either been left on 24/7 for years, or stuck in some 1337 gamr case with no airflow/overclocked.

Edit: That's a great thumbnail too lol.

I don't think it can actually stop miners, should they decide to target the RTX 3060. It might be able to stop some gamers from using the RTX 3060 to mine profitably, creating an absurd anti-consoomer anti-gamer situation. If it doesn't stop anyone, then it was just an Nvidia PR smokescreen.

People are buying used GPUs for absurd prices right now. To the extent that some people have been able to sell their RTX 2070 or whatever for more than what they paid for it, after using it for a couple years. But in a sane world, if a $700 MSRP GPU gets brutalized by miners and sold for $300 the next year, that might be a great deal for you, even if you have to drop clock speeds by 20%. The availability of used products also helps keep the prices of new products in check.

 

[Still Anonymous For This]

Technically nobody can buy anything, so there's that.

I was able to get a PC built in December without too much hassle. MSI B550, AMD 3600X, 32GB RAM, and a Gigabyte 3080. The GPU was the most difficult to get, but I was able to snag one from Best Buy through a Discord server ping I had joined. Took me about two weeks of casual looking to pick one up from Best Buy. 3090s were even easier to get if I had wanted one.

You can get cards. Best Buy has a good history of dropping around 1030EST on Tuesdays. Their checkout system works pretty well for stopping scalpers from checking out with multiple layers of authentication to make sure you're not a bot.

I had a couple of opportunities to get a 5800x and 5600x and passed them up. 3600x works fine for me for gaming. I've not ran into any sort of CPU bottleneck yet.

 

[Smaug's Smokey Hole]

My big hope is that the increased prices will bring hardware production back to the West. There is already talk about building new fabs in the US and Germany. And once there is some competition, and the economy of scale kicks in, prices might go down again.
Never mind that things were much worse in the past. I still remember when $4000 was a perfectly reasonable price for a PC. And when there were no used or budget options that would come even close to the performance of new computers.

In the past hardware wasn't just expensive, it also moved so fucking fast. It was almost exactly two years between the launches of the Pentium MMX and the Pentium 3 (January 1997 and February 1999). Buying someones (not even that) old computer could put you waaay behind.

 

[The Mass Shooter Ron Soye]

ZOTAC GeForce RTX 3060 showed off by crypto miner on YouTube; hash rate limitations may be linked to the BIOS, not just to software drivers

The video focuses on, unsurprisingly, the hash rate of Ethereum mining with the RTX 3060. During the video, the card's hash rate dropped by about a third a few minutes after he began mining. Specifically, the rate slumped from 41.5 MH/s to about 25 MH/s, which is short of NVIDIA's proclaimed 50% hash rate reduction.

However, CryptoLeo has no drivers for his card, which suggests that the card is detecting that is mining without using special drivers to do so. Hence, it would seem that NVIDIA has included an anti-mining algorithm somewhere else, possibly within the BIOS. If the algorithm were merely software-based, then it should be bypassable by not installing any drivers.

 

[Secret Asshole]

ZOTAC GeForce RTX 3060 showed off by crypto miner on YouTube; hash rate limitations may be linked to the BIOS, not just to software drivers

I can hear crypto faggots screaming in the distance.

 

[The Mass Shooter Ron Soye]

I can hear crypto faggots screaming in the distance.

That's the whine of thousands of GPU fans confined in a shed.

This might make a good poll topic. Will the RTX 3060's anti-mining measures be circumvented? Launch date is February 25.

 

[Secret Asshole]

That's the whine of thousands of GPU fans confined in a shed.

This might make a good poll topic. Will the RTX 3060's anti-mining measures be circumvented? Launch date is February 25.

The thing is you can flash a custom bios to a video card. A video card's BIOS typically has shit like limiters and things like that to prevent people from overclocking it to insanity. So people who want to massively overclock can flash their card with a custom bios. I imagine miners might be able to do the same. The thing is if you buy like 30 cards you have to do it for each one, and if you flash a custom bios on it, you void the warranty and nobody is going to want to rebuy a card with a shitty mining BIOS on it.

So just imagine having to flash 50-60 cards for some mine farm, written by some fucking rando. Imagine being forced to troubleshoot that. Sure, if its in the BIOS they could just flash a new one, but holy shit does it make it a pain in the ass.

Honestly, I don't give a fuck about GPU manufacturers limiting the uses for their cards. Its their product. The fags in the article are going on about 'simulations' and shit like that. Nigger, that's why the Quatro and other workstation cards exist. Even so, doing that doesn't require like 40 fucking GPUs. There's a difference between buying 4 or 5 cards to do simulation work and buying 50 for your shit mining farm.

Besides, GPU mining only hit because of Etherium 2.0. Eventually the GPUs won't keep up and they'll need to buy dedicated mining cards.

 

[Ginger Piglet]

NVIDIA Nerfs Ethereum Hash Rate & Launches CMP Dedicated Mining Hardware

NVIDIA Announces CMP 30HX, 40HX, 50HX and 90HX GPUs For Mining, Cripples Hash Rate Of RTX 3060

Great, so they're hiving off a portion of their supply of actual chips for miners (the "mining GPUs" will be the same cores as the RTX 3060 and 3070 and suchlike, but with different firmware and drivers) and doing Sweet Fanny Adams to tackle bots and scalpers.

 

[byuu]

NVIDIA Nerfs Ethereum Hash Rate & Launches CMP Dedicated Mining Hardware

NVIDIA Announces CMP 30HX, 40HX, 50HX and 90HX GPUs For Mining, Cripples Hash Rate Of RTX 3060

So now you have dedicated Ethereum hardware? Isn't that exactly what Ethereum always wanted to avoid?

 

[Smaug's Smokey Hole]

That's the whine of thousands of GPU fans confined in a shed.

This might make a good poll topic. Will the RTX 3060's anti-mining measures be circumvented? Launch date is February 25.

Flashing a custom bios have been mentioned but that relies on having a suitable bios to flash, the 3060 isn't out yet and if everyone that rolls out have the anti-mining measures they would have to reverse engineer and rewrite it themselves and that will not only take time it won't be guaranteed that it will succeed. That should give miners cold feet and make them look elsewhere. Maybe Nvidia found a way to vaccinate against miners.

It would be fun to see how the new and used market will react to an abundance of unmolested 3060's selling at MSRP.

 

[CreamyHerman’s]

I really wonder how effective driver based limitations are going to be, and I do wonder if it will have unintended effects considering they are targeting specific mathematical calculations for the slowdown.

From the article it mentions the resell value will be lowered on the crypto cards. Who the heck buys used crypto-GPUs, or used high-end GPUs anyway? They've either been left on 24/7 for years, or stuck in some 1337 gamr case with no airflow/overclocked.

Edit: That's a great thumbnail too lol.
Edit edit: That video does make the point that video cards did go on sale for ~1/6th the original asking price, so I can see that as a reasonable purchase.

Moore's Law is Dead is a pretty good channel, guy does a podcast with his brother as well too. Fanboys think he is bias but I disagree from what I seen of him having hope for Sunny Cove(the next Intel arch)

 

[longtimelurkerfirsttimepo]

Moore's Law is Dead is a pretty good channel, guy does a podcast with his brother as well too. Fanboys think he is bias but I disagree from what I seen of him having hope for Sunny Cove(the next Intel arch)

Hah I've been watching a few of them after seeing it above. His stuff isn't too bad, though I haven't really been following the graphics card market close enough the past few years to really have a strong opinion of him.

Intel has simply had bad luck and made mistakes over the past few years. Though I guess to many new people Intel is the underdog in a way, as hilarious as that sounds looking back on their actions and prices through the Phenom II - pre-Ryzen period.

I most certainly do not miss the peak of the console wars and all the stupidity the spawned. Saying that, it seems the the newest xbone is less likely to brick itself due to poor ventilation+cooling, therefore it's better. I'm not buying either of them. Fite me

 

[Thumb Butler]

Technically nobody can buy anything, so there's that.

THEN WE MUST ALL ENDLESSLY BITCH AND MOAN ON REDDIT.

 

[CreamyHerman’s]

Intel has simply had bad luck and made mistakes over the past few years. Though I guess to many new people Intel is the underdog in a way, as hilarious as that sounds looking back on their actions and prices through the Phenom II - pre-Ryzen period.

In a way it's karma, considering what they did to AMD and prior CPU companies. They will bounce back though, and AMD knows it

 

[Cupronickel]

What's the verdict on the upcoming 10nm Xeons? Do they hold a candle to Threadripper yet?

 

[Dick Justice]

This might make a good poll topic. Will the RTX 3060's anti-mining measures be circumvented? Launch date is February 25.

Plot twist: miners form an unholy alliance with the nouveau devs to reverse engineer and liberate the entire nvidia graphics pipeline.

 

[CreamyHerman’s]

What's the verdict on the upcoming 10nm Xeons? Do they hold a candle to Threadripper yet?

Are they even out?

 

[Drain Todger]

My new rig was making a little annoying coil whine, so I thought for a minute about if I did anything wrong with the build, and then it hit me. I put a y-splitter 6+2/6+2 on the damn 3090 FE, putting all of its load on a single cord. Ah, shit. It’s too high of wattage for that. So, I swapped it out with two separate cords coming from the PSU to the card’s adapter. Much better.

3090 FE’s have an adapter that turns two 8-pin inputs into a single 12-pin coming into the side of the card, like so.



When I saw the waterfall effect scrolling across the Corsair RGB RAM, I felt stupid that I hadn’t picked up a windowed case. So, I got a window for it. And a lighting kit for the 5v addressable header coming off the mobo, because at that point, why not go all in?

The performance is everything I wanted and then some. The RTX 3090 can run RDR2 with everything on Ultra at 5120x1440 on the 32:9 ultrawide at an average of 90 frames per second. It makes SLI utterly pointless.

On the CPU, I noticed my idle temps were 38 to 45C, 60 to 70C under load, and 86C max. I had to run the fan on that poor Noctua UH-12S on a turbo profile to get it to cool. At first, I thought I’d selected too small of a cooler, but as it turns out, Ryzen 9 5900Xes run hot and there’s basically nothing you can do to stop them from running hot. It doesn’t matter if you have a low-profile cooler or a 360mm AIO. It will run hot. Everyone posts temps that are in the same general range no matter what heat sink they have. Therefore, the NH-U12S with the iPPC fan is actually plenty enough to run at stock clock. Still have to fiddle with the fan profiles some more to try and tame the noise, though.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/jpp9fg/ryzen_5900x_temperatures_post_your_here/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf

Next up, to try Crysis and Star Shitizen.

 

[NTDLL.DLL]

Will Alder & Meteor lake finally bring Intel back as the performance king? I don't know if TSMC will have enough fab space and yield for Zen 4's 5nm chips.