GPUs & CPUs & Enthusiast hardware: Questions, Discussion and fanboy slap-fights - Nvidia & AMD & Intel - Separe but Equal. Intel rides in the back of the bus.

[thejackal]

I'm trying to gather together the parts for this build:

System Builder

pcpartpicker.com

Just asked for the CPU as a birthday present from my parents, and I'm already regretting it. I had an inkling of the gay shit that Intel has been involved with in recent years (IME, etc.), but I figured that AMD would have the same issues with PSP, and I was too lazy to figure out what I would need among AMD's confusing shitshow of a lineup. Learning about Bleep and Intel's other retarded initiatives and missteps as of late has really soured the whole thing for me. Oh well, at least it isn't 11th gen.

Dude just why? Why Intel? Why are you spending $700 on a hard drive? 400 on the mobo? Why are you giving MSFT $140? That PC build is just ...a lot of vanity. If you got "Fuck You" money sure, put it together but you could do just as good if not better for $1500.

 

[Road Work Ahead]

Dude just why? Why Intel? Why are you spending $700 on a hard drive? 400 on the mobo? Why are you giving MSFT $140? That PC build is just ...a lot of vanity. If you got "Fuck You" money sure, put it together but you could do just as good if not better for $1500.

The 10900K is a pretty good CPU and at ~$460 is pretty good value, and it sounds like the CPU was a gift anyway.

I got the SSD for MSRP on Corsair's website. Pcpartpicker doesn't have it listed for that particular SSD for some reason. Still holding off on the motherboard, though. I kind of just picked a higher tier Intel-equivalent model from the AMD motherboard list on the /g/ general. Any recommendations? RGB isn't really my priority, given that I'm probably going to use an opaque case.

The Aorus Master is definitely overkill if you're not doing any overclocking, any ~$200 Z490 board will be fine. Also, as @thejackal said, no need to pay microsoft $140 for a windows key, there are plenty of grey market keys laying around.

 

[Barbigny]

Dude just why? Why Intel? Why are you spending $700 on a hard drive? 400 on the mobo? Why are you giving MSFT $140? That PC build is just ...a lot of vanity. If you got "Fuck You" money sure, put it together but you could do just as good if not better for $1500.

The 10900K is a pretty good CPU and at ~$460 is pretty good value, and it sounds like the CPU was a gift anyway.


The Aorus Master is definitely overkill if you're not doing any overclocking, any ~$200 Z490 board will be fine. Also, as @thejackal said, no need to pay microsoft $140 for a windows key, there are plenty of grey market keys laying around.

Yeah, the OEM key was just a placeholder. Really, any way of getting Pro or Enterprise is fine, as long as I don't have to use Home. The GPU was kind of a joke too, given current circumstance. I'm looking at the Aorus Elite and Aorus Elite AC now (or perhaps the Pro AX, though that might still be a bit much?). I suppose I could go cheaper with whatever the MSI or ASUS equivalent is, but I haven't heard much positive about either brand recently. Related question: does SLI support work with integrated CPU graphics cards, or does it have to be between two dedicated GPUs? LEL RETARDED, ELITE AC IT IS, THEN.

 

[Smaug's Smokey Hole]

Yeah, the OEM key was just a placeholder. Really, any way of getting Pro or Enterprise is fine, as long as I don't have to use Home. The GPU was kind of a joke too, given current circumstance. I'm looking at the Aorus Elite and Aorus Elite AC now (or perhaps the Pro AX, though that might still be a bit much?). I suppose I could go cheaper with whatever the MSI or ASUS equivalent is, but I haven't heard much positive about either brand recently. Related question: does SLI support work with integrated CPU graphics cards, or does it have to be between two dedicated GPUs? LEL RETARDED, ELITE AC IT IS, THEN.

The Elite AC looks much better at $250, skip the wireless and it becomes cheaper.

One overlooked or seemingly unnecessary feature that I think people will find an appreciation for in the future is the dual(or triple) M.2 sockets. SATA drives no matter if they're SSD or HDD is easy to clone onto new a drive when upgrading because of the abundance of SATA ports, or cloning a SATA to NVMe, no big deal. But if you only have one M.2 socket and going from M.2 to M.2 then cloning starts to become a pain in the ass. Similar scenario if someone is building a new computer(new motherboard=new windows installation) and files, folders and other stuff needs to be migrated, just pop the old one in as a secondary drive and transfer everything without a SATA drive as the middleman or by using a USB-NVMe adapter. A spare socket might not be a bad idea now or down the line even if one will sit unused for a couple of years.

And you can run the iGPU and discrete GPU at the same time! Ask @Ginger Piglet (iirc) about it and make him relive his frustration.

 

[Barbigny]

The Elite AC looks much better at $250, skip the wireless and it becomes cheaper.

One overlooked or seemingly unnecessary feature that I think people will find an appreciation for in the future is the dual(or triple) M.2 sockets. SATA drives no matter if they're SSD or HDD is easy to clone onto new a drive when upgrading because of the abundance of SATA ports, or cloning a SATA to NVMe, no big deal. But if you only have one M.2 socket and going from M.2 to M.2 then cloning starts to become a pain in the ass. Similar scenario if someone is building a new computer(new motherboard=new windows installation) and files, folders and other stuff needs to be migrated, just pop the old one in as a secondary drive and transfer everything without a SATA drive as the middleman or by using a USB-NVMe adapter. A spare socket might not be a bad idea now or down the line even if one will sit unused for a couple of years.

And you can run the iGPU and discrete GPU at the same time! Ask @Ginger Piglet (iirc) about it and make him relive his frustration.

Thanks for the advice. I haven't built a PC since 2008, so skimming this thread (as well as your post about reusing Windows product keys from laptops) has helped a ton. I'll refrain from making thinly-veiled help requests for the time being and stick around to suffer along with the rest of you.

 

[Smaug's Smokey Hole]

Thanks for the advice. I haven't built a PC since 2008, so skimming this thread (as well as your post about reusing Windows product keys from laptops) has helped a ton. I'll refrain from making thinly-veiled help requests for the time being and stick around to suffer along with the rest of you.

Don't worry about help requests, GPUs are dead for now. Trying to snipe used Quadro's on (preferably not) eBay looks more and more like the way to go to get a low-end stop-gap card that isn't a Geforce 710/730.

The 1030 isn't fast but it's better than the 710/730. The Quadro P600 is a 1030 with ports at no extra cost.


List of Quadro models and their GF equivalent.

Quadro - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Brain Problems]

Some madman is trying to sell a 6700XT on a popular website's buy/sell for $2500 canuckbucks. Why am I here? Just to suffer?

Spoiler

watch him get it, too

 

[ZMOT]

The Elite AC looks much better at $250, skip the wireless and it becomes cheaper.

250 bucks is still steep considering the price you can get a b450 for that still works with a 5x.
but I'd got with external wifi anyway, you can re-use it and if it shits itself easily replace (plus disable it for good by simply ripping it out).

Thanks for the advice. I haven't built a PC since 2008, so skimming this thread (as well as your post about reusing Windows product keys from laptops) has helped a ton. I'll refrain from making thinly-veiled help requests for the time being and stick around to suffer along with the rest of you.

be sure to de-activate it first on your notebook unless it's tied to a MS account, else you might have to explain to a friendly indian why you try to activate it on a "second" device.
think there's still a general help/stupid questions thread somewhere you could use if needed.

 

[Stasi]

With the way the market is now my shitty laptop with a GTX 950m is suddenly not looking so bad, glad I didn't get rid of it a couple of years back.

Feel bad for anyone trying to build or upgrade right now. Shit is crazy. Been wanting to upgrade my pre built with a gtx 745 for a while so i can game on it but no way am I trying to buy anything in this environment.

 

[Smaug's Smokey Hole]

250 bucks is still steep considering the price you can get a b450 for that still works with a 5x.
but I'd got with external wifi anyway, you can re-use it and if it shits itself easily replace (plus disable it for good by simply ripping it out).

He's going for a 10 core Intel so a b450 equivalent would be ???. I really don't know Intel chipsets these days and their pricing, but you're right that it's still pricey.

 

[Cuntflaps]

I am ready to upgrade from a 1070 to a 3070 but scalpers are scum. Nvidia does not care and will not allow me to give them ~$700 for their product. I think maybe AMD fanboys win.

 

[ZMOT]

He's going for a 10 core Intel so a b450 equivalent would be ???. I really don't know Intel chipsets these days and their pricing, but you're right that it's still pricey.

me neither, that's why I was looking at the price. even if the intel is cheaper (doubtful) you'll still get fleeced with the board, and I don't think intel stopped their "every cpu got their own board" bs either.

blew my mind when I was pondering upgrades and it dawned on me I can just put in a new cpu (ignoring availability and price for the moment)

I am ready to upgrade from a 1070 to a 3070 but scalpers are scum. Nvidia does not care and will not allow me to give them ~$700 for their product. I think maybe AMD fanboys win.

amd cards are scalped as well I think, side effect of the whole nvidia crap.
but have to admit haven't really followed hardware the last year, wouldn't even know if amd has a 3070 analog and how good it is.

 

[Smaug's Smokey Hole]

me neither, that's why I was looking at the price. even if the intel is cheaper (doubtful) you'll still get fleeced with the board, and I don't think intel stopped their "every cpu got their own board" bs either.

blew my mind when I was pondering upgrades and it dawned on me I can just put in a new cpu (ignoring availability and price for the moment)


amd cards are scalped as well I think, side effect of the whole nvidia crap.
but have to admit haven't really followed hardware the last year, wouldn't even know if amd has a 3070 analog and how good it is.

AMD is amazingly good right now with how they have supported AM4, I'm running Zen+ and can upgrade to Zen 3, no problem.

With GPUs no team of fanboys are winning or losing the game because chinese cryptominers stole the ball so there's no game. I wonder how this will impact game companies that projected that GPU capabilities(including console adoption) would certainly be at a certain level in 2022 or 2023 then built the game around that when they started the project, before corona and crypto happened. I think people were surprised when Resident Evil 8 was relatively recently announced to be released on last-gen consoles, it would be suicide not to do that at this point.

 

[Stasi]

amd cards are scalped as well I think, side effect of the whole nvidia crap.
but have to admit haven't really followed hardware the last year, wouldn't even know if amd has a 3070 analog and how good it is.

Can confirm amd cards are also in the toilet. I remember just pre-covid seeing some deals on used RX 580 8gb cards for ~GBP 190 and thinking maybe thats a bit much. Now?

Thats ebay auctions. Never mind the absolute niggers on amazon trying to sell them for 600+

 

[Ginger Piglet]

RTX 3080 current greedbay price around £1,600.00.

What is worse, I bet most of these are scams. I mean, I fucking would were I subhuman enough to be a scalper. I'd keep the card I currently have in my PC and send the empty box it came in with a brick in it or something, and then torch my eBay and PayPal accounts and fucking run once the "card" was sent out.

 

[Smaug's Smokey Hole]

Intel is re-releasing Tiger Lake(their 10nm laptop chips) as desktop processors while using the Rocket Lake numbering. The listing was pretty funny.


They're going to be soldered to the motherboard so they're only available to OEMs. Ultra-turbo-boost frequency is 5.3ghz.

 

[The Mass Shooter Ron Soye]

Speaking of APU's, I just refurbished an A10-7850k, with 16GB of 1600 ddr3. Runs okay, for what it is. Kind of low key excited to see what a 5700g can do, but Vega graphics will not be enough, imo. If they could use a Navi chip, it could be one of the better products released lately.

AMD Ryzen 9 6900H "Rembrandt" rumored to feature Zen3+ cores and 12 RDNA2 Compute Units - VideoCardz.com

AMD Rembrandt with Zen3+ and RDNA2 AMD Ryzen 6000 mobile series beginning to leak. ExecutableFix has confirmed on Twitter that mobile Rembrandt processors are to feature up to twelve graphics Compute Units (which equals 768 Stream Processors). The desktop variant is likely to feature the same...

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Hopefully a Rembrandt desktop APU gets released no more than a year after the 5700G. If it looks like this, it should be fantastic.

Intel is re-releasing Tiger Lake(their 10nm laptop chips) as desktop processors while using the Rocket Lake numbering. The listing was pretty funny.
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They're going to be soldered to the motherboard so they're only available to OEMs. Ultra-turbo-boost frequency is 5.3ghz.

Only up to 32 EUs on the graphics, so it's only good with a graphics card added.

 

[Sweet and Savoury]

Question for you Eggheads

I need to upgrade my GPU, its currently a 8 year olds 2GB POS

However my set up is limited by my PSU which is only 500W

I was looking at ASUS 1650 TUF

opinions? options? ideas?

 

[Vecr]

Well, it's a GPU, I guess... What are you planning to do with it? In most cases I would recommend getting a GPU with at least 8 GiB of RAM, but with the current situation that might not be possible for you.

 

[Sweet and Savoury]

Well, it's a GPU, I guess... What are you planning to do with it? In most cases I would recommend getting a GPU with at least 8 GiB of RAM, but with the current situation that might not be possible for you.

Just some games, nothing fancy.

I wish I could an 8GB but my PSU couldn't push it.

I got what I think is a fair price $365 but I wanted a 2nd opinion.