Group Homes for Autistics

[ChurchOfGodBear]

I actually think it's very unlikely he'll do something to get arrested again. Or, well, unintentionally, at least.

Agreed, but that "unintentionally" is a big caveat. Chris's poor judgement is every bit as dangerous as someone else's malice, the only difference is that it would take a bizarre set of circumstances to make it come into play. And the key is, finding himself in bizarre sets of circumstance is one thing OPL actually does fairly well.

So far he's always had someone to come get him out and/or played the autism card to get off easy.

I'm of the opinion that Snyder's lenience was a much bigger factor at the Trial than the autism card. Could anyone confirm or deny this?

 

[Alec Benson Leary]

I actually think it's very unlikely he'll do something to get arrested again. Or, well, unintentionally, at least.

I agree with most of your points. But I think it is worth noting that Chris intentionally does things that he "feels" shouldn't be crimes. Vandalism, for example.

 

[CalmMyTits]

Oh, I forgot about Barb. I would suppose that Barb is one of the reasons (aside from Snyder's leniency, of course) that keeps Chris out of jail. Judges can be more lenient on people who have dependents, since they don't want to screw the innocent dependent by sending the offender to jail and thus cutting off their means of support. It doesn't always work, but it can in the right circumstances.

Once Barb is gone, though, Chris will have no more excuse of 'protecting' his mother.

 

[Stuff and Things]

I actually think it's very unlikely he'll do something to get arrested again. Or, well, unintentionally, at least.

I agree with most of your points. But I think it is worth noting that Chris intentionally does things that he "feels" shouldn't be crimes. Vandalism, for example.

What's more "dangerous" (just to call it somehow) about him, is that he knows that those are crimes for the others, but not for him, he always has a reason for all of that shit; it can be either the autism card, other's person fault, or just the fact that he's in "a bad mood" for being the piece of shit that he is (because of somebody's else fault, of course)

 

[Sakamoto]

I actually think it's very unlikely he'll do something to get arrested again. Or, well, unintentionally, at least.

I think it's almost a sure thing. Of course not intentionally, but Chris' previous troubles with the law weren't exactly planned out, Chris just does what he's gonna do without really thinking about the consequences.

 

[Marvin]

I actually think it's very unlikely he'll do something to get arrested again. Or, well, unintentionally, at least.

Agreed, but that "unintentionally" is a big caveat. Chris's poor judgement is every bit as dangerous as someone else's malice, the only difference is that it would take a bizarre set of circumstances to make it come into play. And the key is, finding himself in bizarre sets of circumstance is one thing OPL actually does fairly well.

Well no, I mean intentionally go to jail. And I don't know about Chris and bizarre circumstances. They've happened before, but I don't know if it really happens that often. I think people overemphasize it. I wouldn't put much consideration into it, especially considering Chris' current life. In general, Chris' life is fairly regular and consistent.

So far he's always had someone to come get him out and/or played the autism card to get off easy.

I'm of the opinion that Snyder's lenience was a much bigger factor at the Trial than the autism card. Could anyone confirm or deny this?

That's probably correct.

I actually think it's very unlikely he'll do something to get arrested again. Or, well, unintentionally, at least.

I agree with most of your points. But I think it is worth noting that Chris intentionally does things that he "feels" shouldn't be crimes. Vandalism, for example.

Yeah, but the vandalism he's doing isn't severe enough to get him sent to jail. Just banned from places. I think Chris is just trying to be spiteful and he doesn't have the confidence to do significant crimes.

I actually think it's very unlikely he'll do something to get arrested again. Or, well, unintentionally, at least.

I think it's almost a sure thing. Of course not intentionally, but Chris' previous troubles with the law weren't exactly planned out, Chris just does what he's gonna do without really thinking about the consequences.

Nah, at this point, he's be very worried about the consequences.

 

[Sakamoto]

I'm thinkin' like automotive related (DUI, hit & run, causing someone injury while being stupid), getting caught doing something petty (trespassing, vandalism) then resisting arrest, violating a restraining order, that sort of thing. I can totally see him doing any of the above, some of that he's already done before. No, I don't think Chris would go shoplift a PS4 or punch a manjerk.

 

[The Knife]

Just a note re: property taxes: according to Zillow, they don't have them. Two possibilities: one, Zillow just didn't have that information, or two, Borb is exempt due to Bob's veteran status or because of their age. Either way, if the property's been tax-exempt for much of Chris's adult life, he might not know that property taxes exist, but he may also be exempt due to his disability (the page I'm looking at says he's eligible for either exemption or a deferral or both).

(Man I've learned a lot about Virginia property law and SSI because of this forum.)

 

[Marvin]

I'm thinkin' like automotive related (DUI, hit & run, causing someone injury while being stupid), getting caught doing something petty (trespassing, vandalism) then resisting arrest, violating a restraining order, that sort of thing. I can totally see him doing any of the above, some of that he's already done before. No, I don't think Chris would go shoplift a PS4 or punch a manjerk.

I don't really think he'd commit another hit and run. He wouldn't get a DUI while Barb is alive because he doesn't really have the opportunity to drink. I don't think he'd get arrested doing something petty. He wouldn't trespass or violate a restraining order unintentionally (again, in the sense that he'd specifically be wanting to go to jail). Like, really, his life is very dull nowadays. It's not as interesting as people seem to think it is.

Oct 28 was a pretty big event, but Barb also got charged with the same thing. She hit Snyder too. They were both freaking out. On his own, without another Snyder-like target, I have no reason to believe Chris is going to get arrested for something like that again.

Just a note re: property taxes: according to Zillow, they don't have them. Two possibilities: one, Zillow just didn't have that information, or two, Borb is exempt due to Bob's veteran status or because of their age. Either way, if the property's been tax-exempt for much of Chris's adult life, he might not know that property taxes exist, but he may also be exempt due to his disability (the page I'm looking at says he's eligible for either exemption or a deferral or both).

(Man I've learned a lot about Virginia property law and SSI because of this forum.)

Ah, interesting.

 

[AnimuGinger]

I'm not sure how it works in Virginia, but my mother works in special education here in Michigan, helping a lot of people between the ages of 16 and 26 with autism/aspergers/etc, so I can offer some speculation based on what she's seen and told me.

If he gets in any serious trouble, there's a strong possibility that he can be put into a group home if the court deems that he is unfit to live on his own. This, of course, would rely on not being around, or deemed incompetent as a guardian for him. This only assumes he keeps going about his usual business and the law gets involved.

Realistically, the chances of him ending up in one are low enough that he can safely go about life the way he has been. It would have to be the perfect storm of offense, legal proceedings, and Barb not being in the picture.

As unlikely as it is that he'll understand why he shouldn't do some of the things he has before, I think he's smart enough to know not to at this point.

 

[Tubular Monkey]

I think that once Barb has moved on to that Heavenly Hoard, jail is almost inevitable for Chris. A freewheeling manchild with no more responsibilities and no longer any boundaries? It may even take a couple of years, but I don't see any way this halfwit doesn't go completely off the deep end. He is very bad with understanding his own emotions, let alone venting negative ones in a healthy way. "Mommy's dead, Daddy's dead. I'm going to take my pants off and yell at people in Burger King!"

 

[CatParty]

We're watching a crazy homeless guy in the making.

 

[Alec Benson Leary]

Yeah, but the vandalism he's doing isn't severe enough to get him sent to jail. Just banned from places. I think Chris is just trying to be spiteful and he doesn't have the confidence to do significant crimes.

You're probably right. I just thought it noteworthy that Chris's crimes are not always accidental - he feels entitled to commit them sometimes.

 

[Null]

You know, this brings up a really interesting case scenario where Chris becomes barred from all services in his area. He seems to be making a significant dent in what is available to him already. I've never heard of anything like it before. He's like the most persistent nuisance ever.

 

[GameFreak982928]

Yeah, but the vandalism he's doing isn't severe enough to get him sent to jail. Just banned from places. I think Chris is just trying to be spiteful and he doesn't have the confidence to do significant crimes.

You're probably right. I just thought it noteworthy that Chris's crimes are not always accidental - he feels entitled to commit them sometimes.

Exactly. I think the severity of Chris' crimes isn't the big issue but rather it's his inability to admit he's done wrong. Think about it- he was kicked out of Walmart for vandalizing a sign. But who did Chris blame? The Walmart Manager who picked on him because he's autistic and having a bad day. He had every right to vandalize that sign because he was mad.

Same with his assault on Snyder; HE wasn't at fault for assaulting Snyder, it was Snyder's fault for not letting him back into the game place, and Snyder totally deserved it. That's why he was so ungrateful to his lawyer. Chris was declared Guilty of the crime, despite having his charges GENEROUSLY decreased. But in Chris' mind, he WASN'T guilty. And he saw Snyder using his Autism as a means to end the trial quickly and pussying out of defending Chris and fighting to have the charges dropped. Kind of like legal "Kick the Autistic." And remember, even though Snyder was the one who asked the courts to reduce his sentencing, Chris still blames him for the whole incident. If I suddenly lost sanity and decided to attempt vehicular manslaughter, and the guy I hit offered to request the courts to go easy on me? I'd be begging him for forgiveness. But that's because I have a conscience. Chris doesn't. At least, not one that tells him when he's wrong. Because Chris is never wrong. Everyone around him is.

Chris has no sense of remorse. At all. He's completely justified. Hell, if he KILLED someone it'd be that person's fault for pissing Chris off, and Chris would see himself as completely justified in doing so.

One thing that confuses me though, is that Barb assaulted Snyder as well yet she's /supposedly/ sane of mind IE not autistic. So why did the courts entrust Chris' care to her? Maybe I'm missing something because it's late. lol

 

[Marvin]

One thing that confuses me though, is that Barb assaulted Snyder as well yet she's /supposedly/ sane of mind IE not autistic. So why did the courts entrust Chris' care to her? Maybe I'm missing something because it's late. lol

Did they? If they did, it was probably because Rob Bell described Chris as an "adult autistic child."

 

[GameFreak982928]

Did they? If they did, it was probably because Rob Bell described Chris as an "adult autistic child."

I guess what I mean is, well... Chris has a disability. Because of this disability, he has no reasoning as to what's right or wrong, or rather, has an incredibly skewed sense of morality which is almost perpetually in his favor. Because of this, he decided one day that he was going to try and kill Snyder (because let's face it, you don't try to hit someone with a car just to slightly injure them.)

Normally in a court case like this they would likely deem Chris, at LEAST temporarily, to be a danger to the public and would often force him to undergo therapy and to be monitored by an authority figure, normally a family member or, if none are available/capable to take care of said person, a professional healthcare worker. And because Barb assaulted Snyder as well, she should have been deemed unable to keep Chris under control and, in fact, assisted him in carrying out the assault.

But this isn't what happened. In fact, the only thing (as far as I know) that Chris was required to submit to was a psychological analysis. He now lives with Barb, completely free and without therapy. I'm just wondering how they figured leaving Chris, who has shown that he is capable of "deciding" to commit a crime if he feels undignified, with someone who would actually HELP him do this rather than try to stop him.

I know I'm talking as if this were a court case about a child but when you really think about it, Chris is mentally just a child in a man's body.

 

[CatParty]

Nah a court would just throw him in jail.

 

[Anchuent Christory]

You know, this brings up a really interesting case scenario where Chris becomes barred from all services in his area. He seems to be making a significant dent in what is available to him already. I've never heard of anything like it before. He's like the most persistent nuisance ever.

 

[Marvin]

Did they? If they did, it was probably because Rob Bell described Chris as an "adult autistic child."

I guess what I mean is, well... Chris has a disability. Because of this disability, he has no reasoning as to what's right or wrong, or rather, has an incredibly skewed sense of morality which is almost perpetually in his favor. Because of this, he decided one day that he was going to try and kill Snyder (because let's face it, you don't try to hit someone with a car just to slightly injure them.)

Normally in a court case like this they would likely deem Chris, at LEAST temporarily, to be a danger to the public and would often force him to undergo therapy and to be monitored by an authority figure, normally a family member or, if none are available/capable to take care of said person, a professional healthcare worker. And because Barb assaulted Snyder as well, she should have been deemed unable to keep Chris under control and, in fact, assisted him in carrying out the assault.

But this isn't what happened. In fact, the only thing (as far as I know) that Chris was required to submit to was a psychological analysis. He now lives with Barb, completely free and without therapy. I'm just wondering how they figured leaving Chris, who has shown that he is capable of "deciding" to commit a crime if he feels undignified, with someone who would actually HELP him do this rather than try to stop him.

I know I'm talking as if this were a court case about a child but when you really think about it, Chris is mentally just a child in a man's body.

Oh no, he didn't try to attack Snyder. It was an accident, a hit and run. Hell, Chris even seems to believe that Snyder was faking it, which is retarded.