Crossover Groypers and J6 - AF's Charlottesville?

In what world would answering the questions posed by Adam Kinzinger about January 6 help any right winger? The January 6 committee has 1 agenda, to portray Trump as a criminal and right wingers as terrorists. There is no answer that any of these people could give that would not be used to incriminate however possible.
I half agree. I think the retards that thought it was a good idea to break in should be prosecuted, and I think Trump really acted like a retard, but the whole circus that's happening seems entirely performative and not productive.
 
I half agree. I think the retards that thought it was a good idea to break in should be prosecuted, and I think Trump really acted like a retard, but the whole circus that's happening seems entirely performative and not productive.
If anyone should be prosecuted they should be subjected to the legitimate legal processes (though I would be concerned with that too considering the feds are well documented to be biased against Trump). It is not within the scope of a congressional investigation.

I highly recommend this Glenn Greenwald article about the J6 committee’s overstepping in violation of the scope of Congress’s investigative powers and civil liberties.
The last time the Supreme Court explained the limits on Congress’s investigative power was last year, in the case of Trump v. Mazars USA, LLP, which, in an opinion by Chief Justice John Roberts, ruled that House oversight committees had the power to obtain Trump's tax returns. The Court noted how unprecedented this dispute was, since typically such conflicts between Congress and the president over access to presidential information are resolved without judicial intervention. But in so ruling, the Court reviewed the history of the limits on congressional investigative power, particularly when it comes to private citizens, and made clear how vital and significant those limitations are (emphasis added):
Because this power [of investigation] is “justified solely as an adjunct to the legislative process,” it is subject to several limitations. Most importantly, a congressional subpoena is valid only if it is “related to, and in furtherance of, a legitimate task of the Congress.” The subpoena must serve a “valid legislative purpose,” Quinn v. United States, 349 U.S. 155, 161 (1955); it must “concern[ ] a subject on which legislation ‘could be had,’” Eastland v. United States Servicemen’s Fund, 421 U.S. 491, 506 (1975) (quoting McGrain, 273 U. S., at 177).
Furthermore, Congress may not issue a subpoena for the purpose of “law enforcement,” because “those powers are assigned under our Constitution to the Executive and the Judiciary.” Quinn, 349 U. S., at 161. Thus Congress may not use subpoenas to “try” someone “before [a] committee for any crime or wrongdoing.” McGrain, 273 U. S., at 179. Congress has no “‘general’ power to inquire into private affairs and compel disclosures,” id., at 173–174, and “there is no congressional power to expose for the sake of exposure,” Watkins, 354 U. S., at 200. “Investigations conducted solely for the personal aggrandizement of the investigators or to ‘punish’ those investigated are indefensible.” Id., at 187.
Another fact about the committee that I found very telling is that they enlisted a TV producer as an advisor to sell their narrative:
James Goldston — former president of ABC News, and a master documentary storyteller who ran "Good Morning America" and "Nightline" — has joined the committee as an unannounced adviser
 
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If anyone should be prosecuted they should be subjected to the legitimate legal processes (though I would be concerned with that too considering the feds are well documented to be biased against Trump). It is not within the scope of a congressional investigation.
Yeah, that's why I said I half agree.

I think there should be _something_ happening, I'm just not sober enough to formulate exactly what.
 
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I read some depositions.

I think Nick Fuentes and Charlie Kirk pleaded the 5th too soon.
>Mr. Fuentes, do you have any role in the AF Foundation
5th
> Are you the founder of TPUSA?
5th.
Technically they should have answered these questions and then pleaded the 5A when the committee started phising for information.

With that said, Patrick Casey and Stewart Rhodes answered way too many questions. Patrick Casey got himself into a tricky situation because the committee asked him for backups of his livestreams.

I think Flynn did a good job. He answered the typical background work exp questions and then pleaded the 5th to everything else.
 
I read some depositions.

I think Nick Fuentes and Charlie Kirk pleaded the 5th too soon.
>Mr. Fuentes, do you have any role in the AF Foundation
5th
> Are you the founder of TPUSA?
5th.
Technically they should have answered these questions and then pleaded the 5A when the committee started phising for information.

With that said, Patrick Casey and Stewart Rhodes answered way too many questions. Patrick Casey got himself into a tricky situation because the committee asked him for backups of his livestreams.

I think Flynn did a good job. He answered the typical background work exp questions and then pleaded the 5th to everything else.
Yeah, I think I agree with you.

But I also think Nick is too dumb to do it intelligently, so it was the right call for the lawyers to tell him to plead the fifth to everything and not hope he understood the questions.
 
3. There is power in being likable and appearing honest of genuine.
No there isn't lmao, especially not when you're dealing with a hyper-partisan, hyper-contentious Congressional and/or FBI investigation; the only time that appearing friendly or likable matters whatsoever is when you're arguing for leniency before a judge during sentencing. Nobody, certainly not Congress or the FBI, is going to let you off the hook or decline to thoroughly investigate you because you're just a really nice guy. I agree that cooperation and honesty can go a long way for other, less notable subjects of less notable investigations, but there is precisely nothing to gain from cooperating with Congress or the FBI if you're in Nick's position.

2. You can't simple plead the 5th to ALL questions. There are rules. "Mr. Fuentes, What is your source of income?" By pleading the 5th, Nick is implying that his income source is illegal because "the testimony must be self-incriminating."
Yes you can, and that's why he was able to. The statement that Nick was reading stated that he was declining to answer on the basis that it "might tend to" incriminate him, and his attorney explained that answering benign questions could theoretically lead to a chain of conclusions that could be considered potentially incriminating. Pleading the 5th looks bad to juries and an investigating agency can use that to informally poison the jury's opinion of the defendant, but that a defendant invoked their Constitutional right to avoiding self-incrimination is absolutely not something that a judge would allow to be used against said defendant under any circumstances. If pleading the 5th automatically presumed guilt in the opposite direction, nobody would do so and it would go completely unused. The Rittenhouse trial was almost deemed a mistrial because the prosecutor dared to even comment on Kyle's post-arrest invocation of his right to remain silent. Also, you're reading an article from an attorney's website, which is designed to scare you into hiring them.
 
Yeah, I think I agree with you.

But I also think Nick is too dumb to do it intelligently, so it was the right call for the lawyers to tell him to plead the fifth to everything and not hope he understood the questions.
AGREED.
No there isn't lmao, especially not when you're dealing with a hyper-partisan, hyper-contentious Congressional and/or FBI investigation; the only time that appearing friendly or likable matters whatsoever is when you're arguing for leniency before a judge during sentencing. Nobody, certainly not Congress or the FBI, is going to let you off the hook or decline to thoroughly investigate you because you're just a really nice guy. I agree that cooperation and honesty can go a long way for other, less notable subjects of less notable investigations, but there is precisely nothing to gain from cooperating with Congress or the FBI if you're in Nick's position.
I agree. I meant that in referenced to "never talk with the police" or "always plead the 5th." In this situation, they want to fuck you, so your priority is to get out without giving them anything incriminatory or breaking the law.
Yes you can, and that's why he was able to. The statement that Nick was reading stated that he was declining to answer on the basis that it "might tend to" incriminate him, and his attorney explained that answering benign questions could theoretically lead to a chain of conclusions that could be considered potentially incriminating. Pleading the 5th looks bad to juries and an investigating agency can use that to informally poison the jury's opinion of the defendant, but that a defendant invoked their Constitutional right to avoiding self-incrimination is absolutely not something that a judge would allow to be used against said defendant under any circumstances. If pleading the 5th automatically presumed guilt in the opposite direction, nobody would do so and it would go completely unused. The Rittenhouse trial was almost deemed a mistrial because the prosecutor dared to even comment on Kyle's post-arrest invocation of his right to remain silent. Also, you're reading an article from an attorney's website, which is designed to scare you into hiring them.
So you shouldn't plead the 5A to EVERY question. I don't know why you're overcomplicating this.
 
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So you shouldn't plead the 5A to EVERY question. I don't know why you're overcomplicating this.
Nigga, you can either answer seemingly benign questions that could put you in a courtroom 10 steps down the line, or you can shut up, not answer anything, and hope that doing so helps you avoid being charged with something to begin with. If they have enough evidence to take you to court, theoretical informal jury poisoning is not going to make a difference when it comes to proving guilt beyond a reasonable doubt - again, trying to bring up that they refused to give testimony in accordance with their 5th amendment rights to a jury in the first place would almost definitely result in a mistrial. There is quite literally no reason to give any testimony at any point.
 
Nigga, you can either answer seemingly benign questions that could put you in a courtroom 10 steps down the line, or you can shut up, not answer anything, and hope that doing so helps you avoid being charged with something to begin with. If they have enough evidence to take you to court, theoretical informal jury poisoning is not going to make a difference when it comes to proving guilt beyond a reasonable doubt - again, trying to bring up that they refused to give testimony in accordance with their 5th amendment rights to a jury in the first place would almost definitely result in a mistrial. There is quite literally no reason to give any testimony at any point.
You won't get 10 years for answering matter of fact questions like your age or work experience. Nick answered few of these questions, such as "where do you live?" Stop spazzing out.
 
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Metokur watched something called 'Becoming Babylon'.

Why doesn't the mainstream media constantly play the clip of nick fuentes the fed encouraging people to break down barriers and disobey the police on Jan. 6th?

Could it be that Nick Fuentes is a federal asset used as a honeypot for potential anti-establishment political dissidents? He destroyed any 'alt right' coalition, retained a decently moderate audience and slowly pushed his audience into extremist ideals of inceldom, endorsing hitler etc.



Not only is he castrating young men politically TODAY but his words of advice are ruining the future lineages of the men that follow him. It truly is the ultimate fed op.

'Hey lets get people that might cause problems to follow a homosexual that encrouages them to not have sex, avoid women, and never have a family so they won't pass on their ideas/way of living to anyone'
 
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here’s the post of Becoming Babylon
A promo was posted for a new documentary exposing Nick re: YE24 dropped, featuring his ex-catboy Jaden and what could be images from this forum...

Becoming Babylon: A Wolf in Sheep's Clothing Rumble / Twitter

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The whole J6 thing is a bunch of BS. I don't know about Fuentes and AF being that involved though. From what I understand Catboy Fuentes wasn't. It was basically a Q tard chimpout with some leftist thrown in. But most Q tards. No one really did anything that bad. I believe some of the worst stuff was done by the leftists that were there. The ones breaking the windows and so on. They are hitting people with all these trumped-up charges when 99% of them should just get a slap on the wrist and some community service.

This is nowhere near as damaging as Charlottesville. Catboy Fuentes and AF are not nearly as popular and well known as the old and dead alt-right used to be. The alt-right was all over the place in 2015-2017. Everyone was talking about it, and it was very well known. Everyone was claiming to be alt-right. Most of the people claiming this were actually what the alt-right would have called alt-light. I think even Alex Jones started saying he was alt-right. The mainstream media was obsessed with the alt-right. They couldn't stop talking about it. Warning people about letting their kids used the internet because the evil alt-right was out there waiting to turn them into evil internet Nazis. You don't see the same level of coverage and hysteria about that cringelord Catboy Fuentes and his AF cult. No one really cares about him. He is completely irrelevant and wishes he had the same level of energy as the alt-right did in those days.

Charlottesville is what killed the alt-right though. It was a major blow to the alt-right. Charlottesville caused the increased censorship that led to the death of the alt-right online. This made sure nothing like the alt-right could ever rise up again. Even without the censorship Catboy Fuentes is such a cringey faggot no one would follow him or take him seriously. He would still be irrelevant. These days hardly anyone even mentions the alt-right anymore and the only time is when some left leaning political site is using it as some kind of bogeyman to try and scare normies.
 
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The whole J6 thing is a bunch of BS. I don't know about Fuentes and AF being that involved though. From what I understand Catboy Fuentes wasn't. It was basically a Q tard chimpout with some leftist thrown in. But most Q tards. No one really did anything that bad. I believe some of the worst stuff was done by the leftists that were there. The ones breaking the windows and so on. They are hitting people with all these trumped-up charges when 99% of them should just get a slap on the wrist and some community service.

This is nowhere near as damaging as Charlottesville. Catboy Fuentes and AF are not nearly as popular and well known as the old and dead alt-right used to be. The alt-right was all over the place in 2015-2017. Everyone was talking about it, and it was very well known. Everyone was claiming to be alt-right. Most of the people claiming this were actually what the alt-right would have called alt-light. I think even Alex Jones started saying he was alt-right. The mainstream media was obsessed with the alt-right. They couldn't stop talking about it. Warning people about letting their kids used the internet because the evil alt-right was out there waiting to turn them into evil internet Nazis. You don't see the same level of coverage and hysteria about that cringelord Catboy Fuentes and his AF cult. No one really cares about him. He is completely irrelevant and wishes he had the same level of energy as the alt-right did in those days.

Charlottesville is what killed the alt-right though. It was a major blow to the alt-right. Charlottesville caused the increased censorship that led to the death of the alt-right online. This made sure nothing like the alt-right could ever rise up again. Even without the censorship Catboy Fuentes is such a cringey faggot no one would follow him or take him seriously. He would still be irrelevant. These days hardly anyone even mentions the alt-right anymore and the only time is when some left leaning political site is using it as some kind of bogeyman to try and scare normies.
No. What killed the alt-right was the alt-light. The AR hit a hard roadblock with the AL moderates. Even AF was born from Nick Fuentes cucking on the ethnostate since he saw that policy position rejected by the moderates. Now AF is in the same position as the AR. They've hit a roadblock because moderates like Alex Jones refuse to love Hitler. The core problem isn't censorship, it's the messaging and rhetoric.
 
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No. What killed the alt-right was the alt-light. The AR hit a hard roadblock with the AL moderates. Even AF was born from Nick Fuentes cucking on the ethnostate since he saw that policy position rejected by the moderates. Now AF is in the same position as the AR. They've hit a roadblock because moderates like Alex Jones refuse to love Hitler. The core problem isn't censorship, it's the messaging and rhetoric.
You are so very wrong. It was the censorship that was a direct result of what happened at Charlottesville in the summer of 2017. I guess you could say it was the wignats that killed the alt-right really. They are the ones that started to the UTR rally in Cville. Catboy Fuentes and AF hit a roadblock because Fuentes is a cringe inducing faggot. He doesn't believe any of that wignat shit he says. He says it so he can milk money from a bunch of autistic socially retarded basement dwelling wignat tards.
 
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You are so very wrong. It was the censorship that was a direct result of what happened at Charlottesville in the summer of 2017. I guess you could say it was the wignats that killed the alt-right really. They are the ones that started to the UTR rally in Cville. Catboy Fuentes and AF hit a roadblock because Fuentes is a cringe inducing faggot. He doesn't believe any of that wignat shit he says. He says it so he can milk money from a bunch of autistic socially retarded basement dwelling wignat tards.
Even without censorship, there is hard limit to the message. Richard Spencer failed to convert Styx, Sargon of Akkad (who has basically become a WN or Identarian now) , Lauren Southern, etc. Nick Fuentes has failed to convert Alex Jones, Gavin McInnes, Destiny, etc. You can't blame censorship when you have direct access to these people.

Actually, after UTR, alt-right content exploded on the internet. It didn't start dying down until early 2018 . After Spencer cancelled his college tour and JF and Warski split. Censorship went into override mid 2019, once the new election cycle was underway. You could still find all the old alt-right content on YouTube early 2019.
 
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Even without censorship, there is hard limit to the message. Richard Spencer failed to convert Styx, Sargon of Akkad (who has basically become a WN or Identarian now) , Lauren Southern, etc. Nick Fuentes has failed to convert Alex Jones, Gavin McInnes, Destiny, etc. You can't blame censorship when you have direct access to these people.

Actually, after UTR, alt-right content exploded on the internet. It didn't start dying down until early 2018 . After Spencer cancelled his college tour and JF and Warski split. Censorship went into override mid 2019, once the new election cycle was underway. You could still find all the old alt-right content on YouTube early 2019.
That's the problem. You keep thinking the alt-right had a leader or everyone in the alt-right was the same. Most people in the alt-right were not talking about something as autistic as an ethnostate. It was a stupid meme brought over to the alt-right by the wignat LARPers. Spencer was not alt-right and he wasn't the leader. Of course, Styx and Sargon never converted. They didn't have to convert, and they were doing their own thing just like everyone else. But most people in the alt-right watched Styx or at least knew of him. It's where I found out about Styx. I knew of Molyneux from his cringey Libertardian days and his attempts at trying to build a cult with his deFOO shit.

Yeah, the alt-right managed to hang around somewhat till early 2018 but it was pretty much dead. The stuff that was going on was not as big as it was in 2015-2017. Even the media stopped talking about it so much. You had the TRS Kike wife drama in early 2017. That was a blow but it was just TRS. Then you had Charlottesville in the summer of the same year and the alt-right fell apart. Killed by wignat LARPing faggots.

Doesn't really matter now because it's dead and I don't see a new alt-right rising up. When that happened, the internet was a much freer place than it is now.
 
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That's the problem. You keep thinking the alt-right had a leader or everyone in the alt-right was the same. Most people in the alt-right were not talking about something as autistic as an ethnostate. It was a stupid meme brought over to the alt-right by the wignat LARPers. Spencer was not alt-right and he wasn't the leader. Of course, Styx and Sargon never converted. They didn't have to convert, and they were doing their own thing just like everyone else. But most people in the alt-right watched Styx or at least knew of him. It's where I found out about Styx. I knew of Molyneux from his cringey Libertardian days and his attempts at trying to build a cult with his deFOO shit.

Yeah, the alt-right managed to hang around somewhat till early 2018 but it was pretty much dead. The stuff that was going on was not as big as it was in 2015-2017. Even the media stopped talking about it so much. You had the TRS Kike wife drama in early 2017. That was a blow but it was just TRS. Then you had Charlottesville in the summer of the same year and the alt-right fell apart. Killed by wignat LARPing faggots.

Doesn't really matter now because it's dead and I don't see a new alt-right rising up. When that happened, the internet was a much freer place than it is now.

I addressed the alt-right here:
The alt-right was Richard Spencer's wignat/neo-nazi movement, made from: Jared Taylor's race realism, Peter Brimelow's anti-immigration, and Kevin MacDonald's Culture of Critique (Jews are ethnocentric parasites and they subvert the host nation). Hillary Clinton used the term Alt-Right to smear Trump in the 2016 campaign. Many disgruntled libertarian Republicans thought that Hillary Clinton was referring to them and so they accepted the label. Eventually they found out about Richard Spencer, Mike Enoch and Heinbach and disavowed them and were rebranded as alt-light.

The alt-light was the original libertarian, anti-SJW, grassroots, Trump movement, a continuation of the gamergate skeptic movement. The alt-right was Richard Spencer's attempt at rebranding neo-nazis and stormfags and taking over the alt-light, grassroots movement.

The AR and AF had identical strategies. Pre UTR, Spencer hide on the neo-nazi stuff. There was only the hailgate blunder. Likewise pre Ye, Nick Fuentes hid the neo-nazi stuff but there were quotes like the cookie monster. Both maintained plausible deniability. Then both movements went mask-off. Their message was shit. The people were toxic. They imploded. Sure, there is censorship but these movements also are able to reach people despite censorship. Ultimately these movement are toxic. Rhetoric is weak. They're fragile. That's why they implode.
 
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