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Is there some *decent* transceiver SDR under several G's?
What are you hoping to do with it?
Most of the popular HF rigs like the Icom 7300 are SDR mimicking an analog radio from 20 years ago.
If you're some kind of computer wizard there's things like Hermes Lite, LimeSDR, etc. for less than "several G's".
 
Is there some *decent* transceiver SDR under several G's?
For what bands?

Also, somewhat in contradiction to the above assertion that understanding of the electronics components and other scientific principles are unimportant, you can just make your own SDR transceiver with the right combination of components.
 
Is there some *decent* transceiver SDR under several G's?
Most transmit-capable SDRs will have a very limited power output, and you will have to design a frontend for the band you want to transmit on. For example if you want to take a HackRF One and build it into a HF or VHF transceiver you have to build a linear preamp that can drive a 15 dBm (30 milliwatts) output up to something more reasonable.

RX (Receive-only) SDRs:
For HF / VHF / UHF:
- SDRplay / RSPdx - $190.00 USD

For VHF / UHF (and smoe limited HF performance):
- RTL-SDR V4 - $30 USD

For HF:
- Airspy HF+ - $170 USD


TX/RX (transmit enabled) SDRs:
- HackRF One ( 0MHz to 5 GHz, transmit and receive enabled) - $339 for the official version, $150 for clones on eBay (most have similar performance at the sub 2 GHz bands)
HackRF One’s absolute maximum TX power varies by operating frequency:


  • 1 MHz to 10 MHz: 5 dBm to 15 dBm, generally increasing as frequency increases (see this blog post)
  • 10 MHz to 2170 MHz: 5 dBm to 15 dBm, generally decreasing as frequency increases
  • 2170 MHz to 2740 MHz: 13 dBm to 15 dBm
  • 2740 MHz to 4000 MHz: 0 dBm to 5 dBm, decreasing as frequency increases
  • 4000 MHz to 6000 MHz: -10 dBm to 0 dBm, generally decreasing as frequency increases

Through most of the frequency range up to 4 GHz, the maximum TX power is between 0 and 10 dBm. The frequency range with best performance is 2170 MHz to 2740 MHz.

Here is a video of someone who made a 10 watt HF transceiver based on the HackRF one


- TRX Duo (0 to 30 MHz | A clone of the RedPitaya SDR) - $319
The TRX Duo is a clone of the RedPitaya SDR platform. It's specifically designed for the HF spectrum, with a frequency range between 0 to 30 MHz. It is based on the Zynq-7010 FPGA. It comes with a wide array of software that can be run on it and is fully open source

The unique part about the RedPitaya SDR / the TRX Duo is that it has 2 receive channels and 2 independant transmit channels. This means you can connect it to up to four antennas, or 2 with a TX/RX relay.
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There is a whole host of software that you can run, and it's compatible with GNU Radio, most SDR applications like GQRX, SDR#, etc and people have even built ionosondes with it.
 
we used baofeng walkie talkies at work. had this great feature of the earpeice shocking you whenever you transmit. i assume their other electrics are just as shoddy.
Speaking of baofengs I got a video saying "this is the new baofeng" (was another brand) and thought it was just bs but the radio itself seemed to have some cool features for the same price. Too bad the video disappeared before I could check the brand name again...

BTW anyone here doing stuff with meshtastic and LoRa?
HAMsters, how true is this?

For real it's amazing these people have the mental capacity to pass Technician since all they do is goon. Clubless behavior.
Furries and trannies seem to have wormed their way into every hobby that's not normie-tier, you never see a guy in a fox costume playing golf on a country club but there's a civil war going on in nixOS with trannies and furfags trying to get every dissenter who refuses to kowtow to their insanity expelled.
 
Has everyone completed their 13 colonies yet? I’m going to take over K2K from a park tonight on 40m SSB to get a pota 2fer and give back
 
Great to see a thread on this, thanks @777Flux :). I've been out of ham radio for a while, but I have nothing but good memories about it. I bought a new Icom 7300 series transciever a couple of years ago to get back into HF ham radio, but other things got in it's way. It's just sitting on my desk now, connected to a random wire antenna, and I only do listening for now. Both to weird number stations or just trying to pick up European HF stations during nighttime.

Back in the days pre-internet when living in Europe I used to fuck around a lot with packet radio because dialing any other European country was unaffordable, up to 10 current US dollars a minute, to exchange data with other nerds that were into ham radio. Hours long AX.25 sessions over HF, exchanging either Fidomail for local BBS'es or just straight up pirating software over radio. Loved VHF/UHF DX'ing as well, trying to pick up TV stations from far away and seeing the station identifying logo's through a fuckload of noise.

Happy to see what other Kiwi's are up to, this is certainly renewing my interest in this stuff again!
Look into LoRa “Meshtastic” then, it will be right up your street. License free short messaging on very low power. Some BBS type solutions just starting to appear, it’s kind of retro fun.
 
Speaking of baofengs I got a video saying "this is the new baofeng"
Are you thinking of the Quansheng? People are flashing custom firmware in to them and doing fun stuff like 2meter SSB.
Has everyone completed their 13 colonies yet?
Ya. A few guys from my club made a big deal of it because the heatwave we had kept them home on Field Day weekend. I got to show up and just eat BBQ and operate.

(ya no https because boomers can't figure that shit out)

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Is there some *decent* transceiver SDR under several G's?
At the moment, for a proper standalone transceiver the Yaesu FT-710 is your best bet.

Its basically a better Icom 7300, the receiver is far far better and it is a lot cheaper.

If you want the "run with a computer" style SDR transceiver, the Hermes Light 2 is similar to a 5w Flex.

Don't be tempted by the HackRF, it's not suitable for general use and requires a complex amplifier chain AND to make your own low pass filters to use on the air.
 
Are you thinking of the Quansheng? People are flashing custom firmware in to them and doing fun stuff like 2meter SSB.
All baofengs, quanshengs and other one-hung-lo radios are reasonably ok for RX. The Quansheng radios which people reverse engieered the firmware for are quite good, with the custom firmwares you really can squeeze the last bits out of the integrated radio-on-a-chip IC. They are all based on the same Si4732 or BK1080 chip which is a DSP based transceiver chip. The SSB modes are definitely a good addition ove the stock firmware. One need to keep in mind that the analog RF circuits are made for 2m and 70cm operation so even if you can set the radio to any frequency in the 25-1100 MHz range you might find that it either transmits poorly or that the harmonics (especially on HF) are actually strongest on the 2m or 70cm bands. Some of these radios are also not certified for use in Europe because they lack CE due to the sheer amount of harmonics they emit.
Nah this one had a color LCD.
It might be one of the analog-only TYT, Radioddity or AnyTone handhelds. I think one AnyTone was mentioned upthread.
 
BTW anyone here doing stuff with meshtastic and LoRa?
Meshtastic is flashy and popular but it's kind of silly if you think about it. With how tightly coupled the hardware and network infrastructure is to the messaging app, I can't see it being all that useful truly "off-grid" if their website and repos go down.

Take a look at RNode if you want a more general-purpose tool to make LoRa hardware work like a normal packet radio TNC.
 
It might be one of the analog-only TYT,
Don't know, they made a big deal about how it could be easily modded to have extra features from more expensive units.
Meshtastic is flashy and popular but it's kind of silly if you think about it. With how tightly coupled the hardware and network infrastructure is to the messaging app, I can't see it being all that useful truly "off-grid" if their website and repos go down.
You telling me it can't be run locally? no P2P?
 
Don't know, they made a big deal about how it could be easily modded to have extra features from more expensive units.

You telling me it can't be run locally? no P2P?
It can, that’s the whole point of it, as far as I can tell. People are using the default channel to chat apparently, but you’re supposed to create you own channel with an encryption key. Personally I can’t pick up any other stations but my own hilltop repeater covers a few locations in a 30 mile radius.

Flashing the modules and setting up uses a web browser. It’s all a bit weird but it does make it easy. If the internet disappears you can still use your existing setup.
 
Meshtastic is flashy and popular but it's kind of silly if you think about it. With how tightly coupled the hardware and network infrastructure is to the messaging app, I can't see it being all that useful truly "off-grid" if their website and repos go down.
This is my biggest grief with it. This and the fact that LoRa is proprietiary, full of overcomplicated wizardry like spread-spectrum and frequency hopping all while the general opinion in the field is that it's at most juts slightly better than plain old FSK.
You telling me it can't be run locally? no P2P?
This is the price of plug and play. The chat app is also the only main use of it. It's a curse and a blessing, the entry barrier is nonexistent. Buy this or that, connect to usb, go to this website, boom, meshtastic node up. I bet that 90% of the users have no idea how it works.

I don't want to undermine the project. The networking layer is a lot of good work, building an uncoordinated network like that which actually works is a complicated theoretical problem.
Flashing the modules and setting up uses a web browser
That's just WebUSB, there are scripts that let you do it the normal way with a piece of flashing software or if all fails you can flash it using the microcontroller's dedicated programmer. But most of these modules have a UART-flashing bootloader
 
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I’m not sure of the activity level of most of this thread, if you’re all mostly sdr listeners, gmrs, buttfeng vhf larpers or what but I’m an Extra that mostly does SOTA style POTA and have a kw and hexbeam at my QTH.

I’ve mainly been trying to nail down the most perfect portable 100w setup which is mostly an 891, 12ah battery and Packtenna 10/20/40 setup with a sotabeams mast. I also sometimes carry a cha mpas lite/tactical delta loop tho that usually means packing a tuner too. I hate digital modes in general other than cw bc they are boring and take the fun of out qsos but has anyone tried any iPhone or iPad ft8 apps? I have the new special digirig coming so that would be fun to try
 
I hate digital modes in general other than cw bc they are boring and take the fun of out qsos but has anyone tried any iPhone or iPad ft8 apps? I have the new special digirig coming so that would be fun to try
Other then winlink I have never tried running any of the apps right on the phone but I have used digiPi. It turns a pi in to a hotspot and you use the normal FT8 software right through the web browser on any phone or tablet. I have a Pi Zero running the digiPi image with a digirig and cable for my 891 and it seems to work fine. Though I normally just end using a laptop/digirig.


This is my biggest grief with it. This and the fact that LoRa is proprietiary, full of overcomplicated wizardry like spread-spectrum and frequency hopping all while the general opinion in the field is that it's at most juts slightly better than plain old FSK.
Ya and it all seems like a step backwards compared to just regular old packet when it comes to the application aspect of it.
"Modern" packet has store and forward messaging, network chat that works and looks like IRC. And it is transport-agnostic now with axip. It can even run over LoRa.
 
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Neat. Will give that a shot.

Was really hoping Dayton this year would have revealed a QRO icom 705. That would have been game changing as the wireless connectivity of the 705 is great but paying more than 500 for a qrp rig is stupid

Side note I can’t believe how many young hams are super into ft8. That has to be turbo fucking autism to spend a ton to essentially watch the most inhuman contact imaginable. I like ft8 for when the bands suck but I can’t imagine how utterly joyless those who only do it must be. That or they just leave it running all day
 
There is some group of hams who are into digital modes and for some reason do not like analog/old school modes like SSB or CW. I don't have a grief with FT8 myself, I think it's cool that some group is trying to squeeze the last bits using the lastest and greatest findings of digital telecommunications. There is also a group of people who setup DMR networks but I think they just found their local niche to chew rags.

The part I dont uderstand is people leaving automated stations that just keep ringing up QSOs while they are away, that kills all the fun. The modes being digital only makes it easier to set up an automatic station but that's all. The fun is making contacts and making your rig and transmitter better and better to make more unique contacts. Using digital modes is part of the fun if you are into digital telecoms. But leaving a station that just keeps receiving and counting every received callsign as a QSO while you weren't even there is kinda like watching an aimbot play counter-strike. I guess it's fun, for me it would be boring after 15 minutes. If I had a proper transmitter and the permit I would totally be trying to find someone near me to do packet radio or RTTY on HF or UHF.
 
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