Culture Handgun Bullets Are Ineffective In Stopping School Shooters Because They're Too Slow

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UPDATE: Folks, I’ll just leave this here. It’s from Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-CA) linking to a Rolling Stone article, so you already know where this is going.

“A handgun wound is simply a stabbing with a bullet.”

What is this?

Sen Dianne Feinstein

✔@SenFeinstein

"A handgun [wound] is simply a stabbing with a bullet. It goes in like a nail." With the high-velocity rounds of the AR-15, "it’s as if you shot somebody with a Coke can." http://rol.st/2Esd8Hp #BanAssaultWeapons

4:54 PM - Feb 26, 2018

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Talk about a facepalm moment. Is it the media’s stupidity or stacking sandbags because they know this National Rifle Association initiative could gain traction? You decide. The NRA wants more armed guards in schools. Teachers should be allowed to carry as well. After the tragic Sandy Hook shooting, the school board voted to approve this proposal. This is not an alien concept. A lot of schools have resource officers; Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School, the site of the most recent school shooting on February 14, had such officers. They failed to engage the shooter, Nikolas Cruz. Scores of teachers in Ohio are signing up for gun training courses to obtain their concealed carry permits. So, since the NRA is akin to ISIS in the minds of the liberal media, what do you do? Well, if you’re MSNBC, apparently it’s to make the argument that handguns aren’t effective in stopping shooters, who are armed with rifles, because the bullets from pistols are too slow. I will repeat that: handgun ammunition travels so slow that its ineffective at stopping someone armed with a rifle (via Daily Caller):

MSNBC anchors are claiming that teachers armed with handguns would be unable to stop a school shooter because rifles shoot “three times faster.”

Anchor Lawrence O’Donnell said on his show Thursday night that “a bullet fired from an AR-15 travels 3x faster than one from a handgun…and yet the president and the NRA think giving teachers guns will stop a school shooter.”

MSNBC

✔@MSNBC

Lawrence: A bullet fired from an AR-15 travels 3x faster than one from a handgun.

And yet the president and the NRA think giving teachers guns will stop a school shooter http://on.msnbc.com/2EMqOkz

7:30 AM - Feb 23, 2018

Lawrence: The president lives in a fantasy world
After President Donald Trump proposed arming teachers and hiring former soldiers and Marines to patrol American schools, Lawrence O'Donnell argues the president's ideas are fantasy and his staff is...

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Yeah, there is a difference, but we’re talking tenths of a second here. Also, veteran J.R. Salzman seemed confused with this narrative: didn’t two Capitol Police officers stop a shooter from assassinating scores of Republicans in Alexandria as they were practicing for the annual congressional baseball game? Uh, yeah—they did. They confronted the shooter, they engaged him; he turned out to be a Bernie Sanders supporter, and they neutralized the threat. House Majority Whip Steve Scalise (R-LA) was almost killed in the attack.

J.R. Salzman@jrsalzman

Where did this BS narrative come from that you can’t stop a rifle with a handgun? When has that ever been a thing? Are people’s memories really so short they don’t remember Capital Police stopping a Bernie bro with an SKS shooting at congressman on a baseball field?

8:43 PM - Feb 24, 2018

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This is the reason why the media will always lose the Second Amendment fight. Millions of Americans own firearms. They know the caliber, they know its capabilities, and they also know what the proper terminology is (i.e. automatic vs. semiautomatic). I’m not talking super technical gunsmith jargon, just basic details about the gun. They know what they have and the media’s pervasive failure to learn what they’re talking about will never allow them to win over Americans they need to change the nature of gun politics. That’s because the alternative floated by the Left is straight up gun confiscation, evisceration of the Second Amendment, and the stripping of American civil rights. That’s also another reason why they’ll never win. We know their game. It’s this type of trash peddled by MSNBC that makes for great entertainment.

 

[Bassomatic]

I stand corrected. Thank you for taking the time to inform me of this!

It would seem, then, that pistols have little practical function besides conceal-ability and ease of transportation. As well as, I suppose, the psychological impact of seeing a person packing a deadly weapon (though rifles obviously posses this "fear factor" too).

Still, I guess it doesn't matter whether you're shot with a pistol or a rifle. Either way, it's still a very bad day. And having trained personnel in possession of firearms - even if those firearms happened to be pistols - would sufficiently change the dynamics of an active shooter scenario to allow for greater preservation of life.

The situation starts as a massacre - the gunman picking off helpless targets at will. It seems that turning the situation from a massacre into a gunfight, where the shooter has to act to preserve his own life in the face of "targets" that are shooting back, is a good course of action if you want to save the lives of as many students as possible.

Exactly, and in theory of this I'd even go as far to say.

Run in fire a shot in the roof and run the fuck away still would be 10x as noble and life saving. The shooter would hear a shot and be forced to re think things, saving lives.

I wouldn't lie I've never been in a gun fight and hope to keep it that way, but that's also why I carry a big ass gun, I feel good with and plenty of ammo, the last thing you want a gun fight to be is fair. Look at the militaries of today even, 10 guys with beat up AK47s ... well let's call in an F18.

 

[TiggerNits]

She's right though. I've played Call of Duty and everyone knows that assault rifles do way more damage. Handguns are weak and you only use them when you run out of ammo, it takes a bunch of shots to kill people and you have to keep squeezing the trigger.

Hey man, u forget about the deagle

Exactly, and in theory of this I'd even go as far to say.

Run in fire a shot in the roof and run the fuck away still would be 10x as noble and life saving. The shooter would hear a shot and be forced to re think things, saving lives.

I wouldn't lie I've never been in a gun fight and hope to keep it that way, but that's also why I carry a big ass gun, I feel good with and plenty of ammo, the last thing you want a gun fight to be is fair. Look at the militaries of today even, 10 guys with beat up AK47s ... well let's call in an F18.

I carry a .22LR Ruger semi auto handgun as my firearm at work whenever I have to. Big guns are scarier and more tactically effective, for sure, but small guns still cause the same kind of ethical reinforcement in my experience

 

[Varg Did Nothing Wrong]

I stand corrected. Thank you for taking the time to inform me of this!

It would seem, then, that pistols have little practical function besides conceal-ability and ease of transportation. As well as, I suppose, the psychological impact of seeing a person packing a deadly weapon (though rifles obviously posses this "fear factor" too).

Still, I guess it doesn't matter whether you're shot with a pistol or a rifle. Either way, it's still a very bad day. And having trained personnel in possession of firearms - even if those firearms happened to be pistols - would sufficiently change the dynamics of an active shooter scenario to allow for greater preservation of life.

The situation starts as a massacre - the gunman picking off helpless targets at will. It seems that turning the situation from a massacre into a gunfight, where the shooter has to act to preserve his own life in the face of "targets" that are shooting back, is a good course of action if you want to save the lives of as many students as possible.

You are absolutely right, the only thing a pistol is good for is being able to put it on your belt and cover it with your t-shirt. This is why militaries do not arm soldiers with pistols, and only cooks, radio operators and other people highly unlikely to actually see combat are armed primarily with pistols. Even pilots and drivers are beginning to be armed with PDWs (very short rifles made to be compact) or submachine guns (very small pistol caliber guns that have automatic fire capability) instead of run of the mill sidearms.

And yes, you are again absolutely right, in a mass shooting, any sort of weapon usable by someone to stop it would absolutely be effective regardless of what it was. Hell you could shoot the guy with a slingshot and it would at least make him stop and think about what happened, buying you time.

 

[ES 148]

All this gun talk makes me pine for Jace

 

[AnOminous]

mashing on the jump button helps a lot too

Don't turn on a speedhack though or you'll get VAC banned.

 

[millais]

Who could be behind this?

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the full video is even more humorous
https://i.imgur.com/RZX9Hqk.mp4

 

[Wesley Willis]

California Democrats decline to endorse Feinstein

 

[Marvin]

California Democrats decline to endorse Feinstein

SAN DIEGO — In a sharp rebuke to Sen. Dianne Feinstein, the California Democratic Party has declined to endorse the state’s own senior senator in her bid for reelection.

Riven by conflict between progressive and more moderate forces at the state party’s annual convention here, delegates favored Feinstein’s progressive rival, state Senate leader Kevin de León, over Feinstein by a vote of 54 percent to 37 percent, according to results announced Sunday.

So Feinstein was the moderate elected representative from California?

 

[El Garbage]

"A handgun [wound] is simply a stabbing with a bullet," says Rhee. "It goes in like a nail." With the high-velocity rounds of the AR-15, he adds, "its as if you shot somebody with a Coke can."

REEEEEEEE

Reminds me of "the internet is a series of tubes" and "a barrel shroud is a shoulder thing that goes up" type wisdoms.

 

[LocalFireDept]

The situation starts as a massacre - the gunman picking off helpless targets at will. It seems that turning the situation from a massacre into a gunfight, where the shooter has to act to preserve his own life in the face of "targets" that are shooting back, is a good course of action if you want to save the lives of as many students as possible.

It goes from shooting fish in a barrel to shooting at fish that also have guns.