Hasidic Community - Everybody's favorite type of Jew. Moved to "Mass Debates" 109 times.

[Catch The Rainbow]

Political benefit. You have around 60k people who have no job and are free to be as politically active as possible (which is much easier when you are organized into communities with united leadership, and you are not burdened by providing for yourself). Imagine how much politically active Null and Kiwis could be if he was sponsored by the government, and we could go by the thousands to tranny parades or Google.

Hasidim are not politically active other than voting for UTJ or shas. They are also not hawkish, that's the mizrahim

 

[Justtocheck]

other than voting for UTJ or shas

Exactly. Having a group of people that vote exclusively for you is politically useful for those parties.

 

[Catch The Rainbow]

Exactly. Having a group of people that vote exclusively for you is politically useful for those parties.

All those parties want is gibs, avoidance of the draft, and a halahic state. They don't care much about the conflict. You're conflating them with religious Zionists like Otzma Yehudit

 

[ComStar]

a building they consider to be so holy they literally engage in Talmudic-style study of the dimensions of the bathrooms

Wait, what? How on earth did this happen?

 

[EyeGuy]

Wait, what? How on earth did this happen?

They consider it to be just as holy, if not holier, than the Temple in Jerusalem. So just like there's a tractate in the Mishna which discusses the dimensions of the Temple, they figure it makes sense to study the dimensions of 770.

Speaking of the Temple, Mendel ("Kim Jong Shvantz") showed up to the Kotel last night with his shvantzes in tow. Everything went perfectly:

 

[Echo_Ender]

These people have positively infested my area like a great plague akin to "The Nothing" of The Neverending Story. I wouldn't give a shit if it weren't for the fact that they can't drive at all, they never watch their five million children, and overall they are the rudest people I've ever had the displeasure of meeting.

I was roller skating in a hasidic-conquered district and a group of them swarmed past me, knocking me on my ass, and laughing with each other.

I was at the zoo once. There was an old white wolf on the other side of the glass. Some hasidic dude with 37 children comes over and starts encouraging them to bang on the glass and wave potato chip bags in front of this poor creature's face.

The final straw is when they kept calling my family and I, trying to purchase my grandmother's house starting THE DAY AFTER HER FUNERAL.

When I lived near an area with a large population of them, this was pretty much my experience. Especially the parts about them spawning hundreds of children and letting them run wild.

On paper, they will look like a family with 6+ kids and little to no income. And despite how much they hate the goyim and the government, the Hasidim are happy to take government money in the form of welfare benefits, vouchers, funding for their schools, etc.

These people also reliably vote in a bloc (literally all of them will vote for whoever the rabbi endorses) so the NY political machine has little appetite to upset them by cutting funding or imposing taxes and zoning restrictions on their ghettos.

Their bloc voting is insane. They will get busses and bring literally every single person in their community out to vote at once, even if they aren't registered to vote or even legal voters.

I'm talking kids being pulled from school, incoherent geriatrics from nursing homes, ect. Not to mention the shennanigans they try to pull with "OH, this is just our aunt. She totally lives here with us and doesn't live two counties over!"

There are a lot of cases in New England areas, especially New York, where the Jewish voting blocs will literally vote to fuck over their neighbors with taxes, zoning laws, and local ordinances.

 

[Stan]

Their bloc voting is insane. They will get busses and bring literally every single person in their community out to vote at once, even if they aren't registered to vote or even legal voters.

Wrong. I used to work poll sites in New York State and the kind of voter fraud you’re describing is structurally impossible.

Spoiler

poll sites in NYC are organized by geographical precinct. Each precinct (and a poll site may contain several precincts) will have a table with its own voter roll book. In order to get a ballot, the voters name and address have to appear in the roll.

IF someone shows up to a NYS poll site and isn’t listed in the rolls, but insists that they have registered to vote before the deadline, and that this is their correct precinct, they are permitted to vote on a conditional ballot. These conditional ballots differ from normal ballots in the following ways:
1. They are not secret - at all times the election board can trace a name and address to a given ballot.
2. Conditional ballots are placed in a different envelope (it’s really a big zippered bag) and taken back to the BOE office for counting. They are not counted onsite at the precinct.
3. Conditional Ballots are only counted after the voters information is verified and proven to be correct. If a voter turns up to a poll site and fills out a conditional ballot, but they are not a registered voter, they registered after the deadline, they don’t belong to that precinct, whatever, the BOE will not count that ballot, and they will send the voter a letter telling them why not. (In the case that the ballot is counted, BOE sends a letter to the voter letting them know.)

There is no reason to spread misinformation about the voting process in order to bitch about the Penguin Jews. They do not break election rules, in fact they follow them very closely. You can bitch about their methods of political organizing without being a numpty who believes nonsense like NYS will allow children to vote if their parents Karen the poll warden hard enough, because that is not the truth.

I'm going to double post because you've got me MATI for being a fucking numpty who can't tell truth from fiction, so I'm going to go through your remarks so the rest of the class knows which of these behaviors are legal get out the vote efforts and which aren't:

Their bloc voting is insane. They will get busses and bring literally every single person in their community out to vote at once,

This is legal. Bussing people to poll sites is extremely common during early voting periods, and early voting stations can accept voters from a wider array of precincts. (The collected ballots from early voting sites, absentee ballots, or vote-by-mail are delivered to the correct precinct on voting day, opened, and counted there, if you are wondering what happens to these early ballots.)

even if they aren't registered to vote or even legal voters.

This is fake and insane. If any group of people did do this, the voters who aren't in the roll would be turned away or forced to fill out conditional ballots, which are very rarely valid and countable. (99% of the time BOE will send back a letter to people casting conditional ballots explaining why their vote could not be counted and what they have to do next time.)

I'm talking kids being pulled from school,

Illegal and I'm pissed off you even believe that. Do you seriously think the poll clerks can just hand underage voters (who wouldn't be on the roll, cause they're ineligible, and if they tried to register, they would be rejected) a ballot? Do you just think the ballots aren't accounted for at the end of the night? Because they are... at the end of voting, the number of ballots in the ballot boxes needs to equal the number of ballots handed out to voters (which has to equal the number of voters checked-in and checked-out) plus the number of absentee/early ballots received. The BOE knows how many ballots were issued to each precinct, too, so it's not as if a book of 100 ballots can just go unaccounted for.

incoherent geriatrics from nursing homes, ect.

Legal. People over the age of 18 are entitled to vote even if they are aged, demented, or stupid like you. The alternative to this would be poll tests or literacy tests similar, and those are unconstitutional (although I know many freedom-hating Kiwis here seem to like the idea of poll taxes, literacy tests, etc., and seem to believe these measures wouldn't be used against them to suppress their voting... but I lack their confidence in their own intelligence not to fail such a test based on what they actually believe is true about voting.)

Not to mention the shennanigans they try to pull with "OH, this is just our aunt. She totally lives here with us and doesn't live two counties over!"

If she isn't registered, she doesn't get a ballot. If (in this hypothetical) the person whinges and insists she lives there when she doesnt, she gets a conditional ballot.

There are a lot of cases in New England areas, especially New York, where the Jewish voting blocs will literally vote to fuck over their neighbors with taxes, zoning laws, and local ordinances.

True, and legal. Jews are absolutely allowed to vote their interests, just like everyone else is. You can bitch about it but you'd be better served learning what the rules are, and then counter-programming with your own get out the vote efforts. It's super easy to corner local elections if any group votes this way, and I don't feel much sympathy for less-engaged voters who cry foul after the fact because of their ignorance.

 

[Feline Supremacist]

spawning hundreds of children and letting them run wild.

The boys mostly, I never see Hasidic girls go wild in public like the boys.

This is fake and insane

If the people working in the polling site are sketchy them it happens. There can be a dozen polling sites in one precinct due to population density, and Haredi areas are very dense. So not only is it possible, it happens. The issue then becomes what impact does it really have? Nationally we all know how NY will go because the corruption emanates from Albany, and locally it depends, but NYC/LI are the worst offenders.

The Board of Elections in NY State is not staffed from the civil service but by political party appointees. Political graft in NYC, and NY has been a thing since before the Revolutionary War; its institutional. Hasidim are just one group among many that leverage it.

 

[Stan]

If the people working in the polling site are sketchy them it happens.

What you're describing is a felony. Even if you think the poll workers don't care about their mandate, their names are signed to their work and consistent errors can easily be tracked down to one or more bad actors. But what I think you're really failing to grasp here,

What you're failing to get here, retard, is that the system by which Americans vote (and I can personally speak to NYS and Mass, because I've been a poll clerk in both of those states) is designed with wide oversight and very limited authority. Poll clerks can't conjure names into the rolls that aren't printed there. The warden can't shove 100 votes for Biden into the machine without the poll clerks noticing the discrepancy when ballots are counted. The BOE doesn't let sheafs of unused ballots float around unaccounted for. One bad actor, or even several, have a very limited ability to do so because everyone can see what everyone else is doing, and everyone's work is traceable at the end of the night.

There can be a dozen polling sites in one precinct due to population density, and Haredi areas are very dense.

You don't need to tell me, retard, I lived there. And while it's common for people in NYC to turn up to the wrong polling station, there's a directory for poll site workers, and a hotline for voters to call, and also the New York Secretary of State has an online voter lookup tool to find the right poll site for any registered voter. Once the poll clerk looks in the roll and the person's name isn't there, that is a BIG clue they are at the wrong place and efforts are made to get them to the right one. Idiot voters can and do insist on casting conditional ballots at the wrong poll sites, but those votes don't get counted, and they get a letter later telling them they fucked up and went to the wrong poll site.

So not only is it possible, it happens.

Only in your fevered imagination.
This stuff pisses me off really badly because seeing the levels of ignorance the average A&H porch monkey has with respect to voting law reminds me how easily you people can be duped about anything.

The issue then becomes what impact does it really have?

None, because in-person voting fraud is vanishingly rare and large discrepancies are unable to occur by design. That this is possible in your imagination tells me you don't understand how basic addition and subtraction works - speaking broadly, the number of ballots in needs to equal ballots out at every poll site before it can report its results. (I'd get into the weeds of conditional, challenge ballots, spoiled ballots, but I don't think you can handle the intricacies.)

Nationally we all know how NY will go because the corruption emanates from Albany, and locally it depends, but NYC/LI are the worst offenders.

The "offense" you're noticing here is that Haredis all vote, and they all vote for whoever their rabbi tells them to. The solution to this isn't to cast doubt on the fairness of the vote, but to exceed the Haredis in one's get out the vote efforts. I hate those penguins but the truth of them is way worse than nonsense lies, and the more nonsense lies get into the mix of stuff people think is true of Haredis, the easier it is for Haredis to sweep the really bad shit under the rug as more defamatory, ignorant nonsense from anti-Semitic goyim.

The Board of Elections in NY State is not staffed from the civil service but by political party appointees. Political graft in NYC, and NY has been a thing since before the Revolutionary War; its institutional. Hasidim are just one group among many that leverage it.

You're a retard and I'm glad it's so obvious. God spared us on that one.

 

[Feline Supremacist]

What you're failing to get here, retard

What you're failing to grasp, bitch is that I simply listed the ways it can happen, that it has historically happened and that it obviously continues to happen when you made a post saying it cannot and absolutely never does.

You don't need to tell me, retard

Just because you make a tl;dr post calling me names and sperging about how you were a poll clerk, something that retirees and useless niggers do every time an election happens doesn't make you an authority by any stretch of the imagination.

You're a retard and I'm glad it's so obvious. God spared us on that one.

Here's your "never happens", Posted in the US Politics thread yesterday.


Blow it our your fat ass you massive cunt, instead of eating ass. Maybe read threads other than the girls circle jerk.

 

[Echo_Ender]

Wow. Calm down.

I never said all of the people they bussed in to "go voting" were actually voting. I was saying it's insane how many people, including nonvoters, that they bring along to vote.

It's fucking wild seeing them basically move their entire community to a polling place at once like a herd of buffalo and then proceed to crowd the polling place pretty much all day.

And I didn't say the "relative who totally lives with us" shennanigans actually worked. Just that they love to annoy the hell out of poll workers with it.

True, and legal. Jews are absolutely allowed to vote their interests, just like everyone else is. You can bitch about it but you'd be better served learning what the rules are, and then counter-programming with your own get out the vote efforts. It's super easy to corner local elections if any group votes this way, and I don't feel much sympathy for less-engaged voters who cry foul after the fact because of their ignorance.

You're not wrong. But gee, it's almost like a certain group of people do this so much more often, and in such asshole-ish ways, that it's become a stereotype.

If the people working in the polling site are sketchy them it happens. There can be a dozen polling sites in one precinct due to population density, and Haredi areas are very dense. So not only is it possible, it happens.

I was more talking about the fact that they drag EVERYONE out to the poll sites and turn them into a circus rather than the outright fraud.

This annoying behavior isn't exclusive to them, but they're pretty infamous for it.

Their most notorious bloc-voting nonsense I remember seeing was where they basically took over an entire New York areas school board, used it to gut the public schools district, and funneled all of the money into private Jewish schools. Totally legally.

It was bad enough that even the bleeding hearts at NPR did a story on it:

https://www.thisamericanlife.org/534/transcript

It's worth a read or listen. The whole thing is surreal.

 

[Feline Supremacist]

bloc-voting nonsense

That's not exclusive to the Haredi community and it's done by various groups, including those that share ethnic ties. The Monsey school board issue wasn't that they has gotten control of the school, it was misuse of funds.

Liberal jews and Orthodox jews are not allies, by the way. There is a large population of liberal jews that are more antisemitic than the most fervent and committed 1488 Nazi.

 

[EyeGuy]

What happened to Yankel Alter's right sidelock?


Rumors abound that he's secretly undergoing chemotherapy and/or that the sidelocks are actually fake.

Younger Yankel for comparison:

 

[Echo_Ender]

What happened to Yankel Alter's right sidelock?
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Rumors abound that he's secretly undergoing chemotherapy and/or that the sidelocks are actually fake.

Younger Yankel for comparison:
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Are there Jewish gossip sites that have this stuff? Because it sounds hilarious.

"Oy vey! Did you see his sidelocks!? Somethings up with him for sure!"

 

[Stan]

I was more talking about the fact that they drag EVERYONE out to the poll sites and turn them into a circus rather than the outright fraud.

Ayy sorry to snap on you. As you can see, there are a contingent of people in A&H willing to believe all kinds of tripe about voting, and since I work poll sites I just get all pissed off when dumb politispergs come to take a shit on what happens there and spread all kinds of crazy ignorance.
I suspect they drag the whole clan over there for several reasons - lack of childcare being one. But I also think parents take their kids to the poll station so they can do a little mini civics-lesson on how voting works, and I see all types of families doing that on Election Days.

I never said all of the people they bussed in to "go voting" were actually voting. I was saying it's insane how many people, including nonvoters, that they bring along to vote.

It's fucking wild seeing them basically move their entire community to a polling place at once like a herd of buffalo and then proceed to crowd the polling place pretty much all day.

If they do it maliciously you can actually get the cops to BTFO. But if they're just loafing in there waiting for everyone to finish or whatever... eh. It happens, especially if they're doing a "souls to the polls" style shuttle bus to get there.

Their most notorious bloc-voting nonsense I remember seeing was where they basically took over an entire New York areas school board, used it to gut the public schools district, and funneled all of the money into private Jewish schools. Totally legally.

It was bad enough that even the bleeding hearts at NPR did a story on it:

https://www.thisamericanlife.org/534/transcript
It's worth a read or listen. The whole thing is surreal.

YEP. It's basically a case study in why everyone needs to care more about their local elections. Because if you don't, the Jews will hollow out your secular education system and figure out a way to legally fund their crappy yeshivot, which only prepare their kids for life in a Haredi ghetto. And they might also fuck around with your zoning laws to build a new Kiryas Joel or whatever.

https://archive.is/YVdeF

 

[EyeGuy]

Are there Jewish gossip sites that have this stuff? Because it sounds hilarious.

"Oy vey! Did you see his sidelocks!? Somethings up with him for sure!"

Mostly Hebrew/Yiddish Telegram/WhatsApp groups. There are websites, but they're worthless if you're looking for actual news.

 

[Feline Supremacist]

As you can see, there are a contingent of people in A&H

This is Mass Debates not A&H lol you don't even know where you are and started politisperging in a therad about loony haredi because you get BTFO every time you post your hawt takes in a politics discussion.

Rumors abound that he's secretly undergoing chemotherapy and/or that the sidelocks are actually fake.

Are these the Ger? I know there's a lot of drama with them but I'm mostly following the Lubavitch and Satmar because those were the ones I knew in Brooklyn, and mostly the Satmar since I was close to Williamsburg.

 

[EyeGuy]

The eight Vizhnitzer Rebbes of the Monsey, NY branch have reached a "historic agreement" to allow their followers to hold circumcisions in whichever city they want:

In a landmark meeting held last week in the Catskills, the eight Rebbes of the Viznitz dynasty reached a significant and historic agreement. The Viznitzer Rebbe of Monsey announced that, moving forward, Viznitzer Chassidim will be permitted to transfer brisim from one city to another. This new policy allows Chassidim to honor their chosen Rebbe by having him serve as the Sandek.

Additionally, the agreement includes the establishment of new shtiblech independently by each community in cities where any of the brothers reside.

This agreement comes after six years during which the Viznitzer Brothers refrained from accepting Sandekois from Chassidim living in cities where another brother served as Rebbe. Furthermore, during this period, none of the brothers had opened a shtibel in a city where another brother was already leading.

(A sandek is the one who holds the baby during the ceremony.)

 

[MTN Dew Rat]

The eight Vizhnitzer Rebbes of the Monsey, NY branch have reached a "historic agreement" to allow their followers to hold circumcisions in whichever city they want:

(A sandek is the one who holds the baby during the ceremony.)

Oh joy even more baby abuse coming soon.

 

[Syzyg]

The eight Vizhnitzer Rebbes of the Monsey, NY branch have reached a "historic agreement" to allow their followers to hold circumcisions in whichever city they want:

(A sandek is the one who holds the baby during the ceremony.)

Does this mean Metzitzah B'Peh can be practiced anywhere in New York now?