Have we always lived in clownworld? - aka 'where did everything go wrong'

[Gender: Xenomorph]

Technology has advanced, but your average human is really no smarter than your average human 100 000 years ago.

 

[Uncle Buck]

To be fair, unlike most of humanity he genuinely didn’t know any better,

But he should have.

According to that mythology, the existence of "god" was a demonstrable and indisputable fact to Adam, who literally spoke to/with him.

It wasn't that Adam read the whole spiel about the tree of "life" from an ancient book that had been passed down from time indefinite and subject to thousands of years of study, scrutiny, commentary and debate among people who had never actually seen any tangible evidence that the miraculous claims contained therein were actually true; no, Adam heard it right from "god's" own lips.

Funny how in the bible there's no mention of him thinking to himself, "You know, I'm not sure this dingy broad knows the score; maybe I should check in with the Big Guy on this"...

And let's not let Eve off the hook either... She was so gullible she got bamboozled by a talking snake... "Is it really so...?"; and she had no thought that she should have a one-on-one with "god" herself before acting on the talking snake's advice?

 

[Troonologist PhD]

We've always lived in times of mass psychosis and collective stupidity but the forms change with the times.

"Current Year" is just a particularly harsh form of it because modern technology makes it more up front, more apparent, and louder than ever.

The fact that our corporate overlords benefit from this zeitgeist since it keeps us plebs divided and at each others throats does not help matters either.

Technology and the modern helicopter parent state also stops people from having to face the consequences of their actions.

 

[Ishtar]

I'd say regardless of your religious or political beliefs-we are living in an age of degeneration. What was is less than what came before, even degeneracy a century ago was of a higher quality, communists were tougher, feminists were as grating but willing to suffer hunger strikes, even rap in the eighties and nineties is better than rap today.

Basically everything declines, and even elements of decline(i.e. feminism and Negro music) can themselves degenerate to lower states.

Entropy seems to be inescapable, and we are heading to something terrible.

I can't say when it wrong, but its clear something in our civilization is fundamentally broken. Some say the Enlightenment and its after effects, some say the Reformation, some blame Christianity itself, others still blame Plato and Socrates, and some blame hazy failings in the far mists of time.

Whatever it may be, clearly this world is not right. It is fundamentally wrong, and should not be.

 

[Lemmingwise]

You don't live in clown world until you see the makeup.

 

[Ishtar]

TBH, we seem to be living in Hellworld now. It’s the age of pedos, faggotry unbound, and narcissistic stupidity without any social, religious, or moral restraint on people’s deviancy or animal urges

I can only pray that God destroys America, in fire and sulfur.

The people absolutely deserve to burn forever.

 

[ReturnedHermit]

TBH, we seem to be living in Hellworld now. It’s the age of pedos, faggotry unbound, and narcissistic stupidity without any social, religious, or moral restraint on people’s deviancy or animal urges

I can only pray that God destroys America, in fire and sulfur.

The people absolutely deserve to burn forever.

People who say they can't escape clownworld or hellworld all tend to have one thing in common: they are incredibly online. If we take into account that people generally have free will online (which can be limited or subverted based on the person's age, devices used, ISP regulations, susceptibility to advertising or group-think, and many other things) it isn't hard to see a pattern. The people who "see" Clownworld and post at length about it are: roughly 80% male, aged 15-35 for the most part, lack the resources (monetary or social) needed to fully insulate themselves from despair, and are either generally low in agreeableness or specifically mistrusting of authority or institutions. Lists are my autistic crutch, so I will try to summarize. This group of people are loners with a lot of free-time living like slaves. Income doesn't really determine whether or not you are a slave. I have a friend making 160k who will barely make bills due to an expensive family and other factors I will not specify. His free will has become conditional to the point of near non-existence.

You can quickly become a slave when you attach too much of your power and money to obligations, especially when combined with that "unshakable commitment to principle" so many "very manly, very good men" tend to have. Consider these two phrases: "I will not fail to provide for my family" and "I will not fail to provide for myself". Now, apply that set of unshakable principles to each. The resulting sets of permissible activities are very different, aren't they? When those principles were at their most effective, I think a man's family was his property. Their success was his own. Nowadays, that's clearly not the case. You can sacrifice everything for your family and get no reward. You can also sacrifice others (complete strangers or family) for their own success and get no punishment.

So now we are at that crucial decision-making moment of "Is it the principles that have failed or is it the system in which those principles are applied?" Instead of always assuming it is the system that is Clownworld causing your principles to fail, try something else. I'm not recommending that you go full sigma, but maybe try different principles that are better adapted to the system. Recognize that absolutism is difficult to pull off and no longer an efficient way of organizing your entire life. Some things have absolute qualities, some absolutes are extremely important, but your brain is big enough to handle a reality in which not all things are absolute. Dumb cattle might even start to outperform you if you make enough bad assumptions.

Applying moral absolutist principles to the internet while actively obliging yourself to find examples of situations that violate your principles as a method of reinforcement is circular reasoning. If your principles aren't working, don't think you can redeem them by proxy, pun intended. You are living your own life and need to believe in things that work for you, not living in misery holding out hope that the stars will someday align such that you can finally just go with the flow. Loads of people are just going with the flow and doing just fine, they also significantly outnumber you. If you want to resolve this situation, you're probably going to end up with one of the 2 big bads: absolute control over the 'other' (turbo strawman commie) or absolute violence against the 'other' (turbo strawman fascism). Ideally, you would be able to convince people that you're right, but let's face reality here: You're probably not the sort of person that is good at that sort of thing (a la "waiting for Hitler 2.0," the return of Christ, the beta uprising, or simply The Cult of Moldbug).

What are some other options? Well, you could always band together in a tight-knit identity-based enclave that meticulously subverts your opposition while pushing a consistent agenda generation after generation, but that might hit too close to home for the pol crowd. How about a halal alternative to your kosher meddling? Reside in only the toughest climates where resources are scarce and experience genocidal foreign intervention every decade or two, proving yourself daily against the world's most powerful armies and nothing but the glory of the afterlife to look forward to. Sure, you can do that, but if the point is that Clownworld makes you suffer, I don't think that solution really mitigates suffering. Sure, there is the "internet islam" crowd, but they're just paid influencers when you get down to it. Suppose you go for the more traditional approach and try organizing. You will quickly find that it isn't easy, that many of the people attracted to your movement are uncomfortable (or dangerous) to be around, and you're always playing "who's the fed?" which gets old after a while. Before you even get started, remember that your enemies are most concerned with this sort of activity, and have made it a priority to see you fail. Not only that, but you will soon realize that the talent pool and overall numbers aren't quite what you had originally hoped. Your coordinated activities and far-reaching searches for quality members will begin to take on a *gasp* gang-like appearance.

That's sort of what it is, right? Any group of people who are miserably living, yet miserably outnumbered, will be led down the path of gang (or tribal) organization. So you think up some branding ideas. You also realize how fortunate the hispanic and black communities are. Imagine never having to advocate for "White" anything, just call yourselves the Crips or Bloods or Latin Kings. Come to think of it, the Yakuza operates with near impunity and controls supposedly billions of dollars through their financial institutions. Why can't westerners from white countries create effective gangs? Well, the paradoxical answer is that they create the most effective gangs. They're so good at it, in fact, they can force your parents to pay for institutions designed to cement their legitimacy via childhood indoctrination using bundled services we call Academic Education. To go back to principles for a moment, here's one: The best way to defeat a sociopath is to expose their nature to others. A gang concealing its nature will be referred to as an institution, agency, corporation, nonprofit, or maybe even just a group. Some are more gang-like than others, don't let your absolutism be exploited here, otherwise you are blind to an important truth.

Silicon Valley Gang, Republican Gang, Democrat Gang, Woke Gang, Environmentalist Gang, etc etc etc. These gangs are so good at let's say "rival prevention" and have so much fucking money that the only way you beat them is by preventing interest from accumulating in their bank accounts. People figure that out and you have Crypto, GameStop stonks, cyber attacks, even some actions taken by antifa were motivated by a sort of blockbusting (its own convoluted 5 page story so please take my word on it), Cancel Culture, #MeToo, brand boycotts, and costly riots. Prior to covid, I would say that this was working and "we" were winning. How strange that covid consolidated wealth to an unprecedented degree, dumpstered small businesses, restricted people's movements, paved the way for fucking contact tracing, and has put bodily autonomy under fire in a way that makes the anti-abortion crowd salivate. If I hear another moron say that because the government is printing money like crazy that "we" are winning, I'll do a cartwheel. Its your money dumbass. The impact this has on "them" is minimal. They wanted a war and now they can't afford it. That's it, that's what you get out of the "government" losing. The enemy is MORE than the government. They have their own money and they have a hundred other ways to get more of your money aside from taxation. Cue Lucille's "Here's some money, go see a star war."

If you want to be free from Clownworld, you have to weaken the gangs, maybe even defeat them in some cases, but assuming the necessity of "TOTAL VICTORY" is an absolutist trap. Some of these gangs do important things that make the world function, but most are just pretending. Believing that you can do anything at all to change the situation by calling people's attention to it or by doubling down on your own moral purity is like sitting in Plato's Cave telling the shadow puppet guy to show you a real dog. You're begging for a miracle at that point. I genuinely want people, (especially salt of the earth internet people) to be happy, so here's what I consider to be the endpoint of the journey: give up on or reduce your daily intake of "noticing things," or change your principles such that you can start your own successful gang, or join one of the existing gangs, or drain the coffers of the gangs as an independent actor with remorseless cruelty, or accept that you are a moral masochist that just gets a dopamine kick out of calling attention to problems in a world full of problems. You can also mix and match these options to create a solution that is unique, you special little rebel, you.

Response to Tree specifically on the JQ: I think that notion needs to be put to bed. The problems created for Americans specifically as a result of Jews are often in response to problems created by Islam or by the American elite. You can find Jews everywhere, in every country today, and they have been doing this for what 2500 years or so now. There is a long list of civilizations and tribes they have fucked over and a smaller list of people they have vanished from history entirely. I say all that knowing that it will seem as though I am downplaying their power and effectiveness if I go with the usual response of "Bro, its not just them man, why are you so obsessed bro." The thing is, if the colossal fuckup of WW2 hadn't given that particular gang a powerful, potentially eternal, tool for leveraging the emotions of people the world over- their power would be a fraction of what it is. Tens of millions of Christians died and they are mourned as "Soldiers of the Allied Powers" or "Victims of War" or simply "Heroes" in some cases. When that history was written it was mostly national in character, think of how many times you've heard the term "Dead Americans" used by those opposed to Iraq or Afghanistan. These dead people are not honored or valued by anyone in any real sense. My fore-fathers and me have fought in American wars for 5 generations and I can tell you personally that the sacrifices made by soldiers in generations past have little weight to them. Sure, Antifa tearing down monuments gets air time and sure, sometimes someone shows up to yell at them while they're doing it, and sure- loads of people online are outraged. If we apply a grading scale, the hall of cost is the A+ "remembrance" effort for maintaining a gang's operational impunity. Veteran's Day, Memorial Day, and the rest are C- at best. Be angry that your "team" fucked up in the past and did not preserve their history or make much of an attempt to capitalize on it for your sake. Be angry that the Boomers had shortsighted ambitions and no imagination. Be angry that no one listened to Patton and fought for a more glorious empire if you want. At the end of the day we must accept that they played the long game, won, and won big. Try to realize that whatever you are, it's probably younger than Judaism. They've just been 'in the game' for longer than almost anyone. If you want to beat them, start by assessing their capabilities. If you want to blame them for everything, consider that your ancestors "lost" to them while they were weaker and dealing with the sort of reputation the far-right currently has of being universally disdained. All I'm saying is, your work is cut out for you. Other people cause problems and fuck up, roughly 8/10 people are willing to exploit others for their own gain, and limiting your knowledge of human nature to such a narrow scope is going to result in the failure of even modest goals. Being a sore loser because you were born at the height of their power and dealt a shit sandwich of a life isn't an excuse to do nothing. Yes, they like to deal in drugs, porn, law, politics, accounting, and junk science/medicine. That doesn't mean they can't deflect these accusations by reminding you that they "discovered" relativity, cured polio, and invented the laser. A big win can last more than a lifetime. Taking full credit for your wins in a way that allows you bog down an enemy pursuing justice for your victims WORKS VERY WELL APPARENTLY. So, yeah this unfortunately returns to pathological altruism. Maybe white people should stop allowing themselves to be defined by this trait. Anyways this is going kind of off the rails. Yes, they punch above their numbers, yes they do fucked up things to goys (and scorched earth, nightmare-fuel things to their enemies), and are responsible for authoring and/or pushing present day degeneracy in many forms. To put it simply, they short shell human decency wherever possible and rig the game once they find an exploit. I have played online video games against 13 year olds and seen the same behavior, its not anything special. What is special is how long they have been able to do it and how successful they are at it. I read (or heard idk) a post by a Muslim years ago, something like: "If Jesus was truly the Messiah would he not have led his followers to drive out the Pharisees in all corners of the world?" which I shared with a Jew sometime later. He said that sounds like what people thought Hitler would do, but it worked out completely opposite to that and gave that knowing look + shit-eating-grin combo. Only recently did I realize that all conquered peoples have similar hopes and dreams, sustaining broken hearts by believing one day that their enemies will be gone. Even more recently I put together a picture of who has successfully un-conquered themselves across history, not exhaustive, but a serviceable resolution for my purposes. My conclusion on the matter is that they didn't post on internet forums, without exception. Defeat consumerism, its rotten to the core. Focusing on the defeat of those who are best at exploiting consumers is a little too "fighting the enemy on their turf" for my tastes. It is the backs of hardworking Americans holding up the system and that's no time for a fight. Far-Right (broadly speaking) influencers like to suggest that if we focus on fighting just the "jewish menace" we can continue to hold up the rest of the system perfectly intact. My response to that is: fuck off boomer, stop telling me how to win a fight you lost by making it more difficult. I'm not saying you're a boomer, but the entire mindset of "America would be perfect again... if it weren't for X" is just so utterly wrong. The truth is that the country never stopped being a colony and was designed by its founders to attract investors and cheap labor. It also happens to sit on vast mineral and resource wealth that is unparalleled across the globe. America, working as intended, is a plantation where workers attend to the property of rich foreigners and local nobility. The workers were originally paid in land since it costs nothing for the elite, now they are paid in $ which similarly costs nothing for the elite. Accumulation of wealth is discouraged. Should a group identity form around a certain location in such a way that it harms production, new immigrants are imported to disrupt the community while inflation and taxes siphon away savings. The market then stabilizes, the labor pool grows, then its back to business as usual. Have you ever had a fish tank? Introducing new fish can be hard with certain species. Angel fish in particular are recommended to be added together so that they can face each other on even footing, otherwise one would kill the other and in some cases both die. Adding them simultaneously permits for the creation of boundaries, territory. America is like that, but immigrants are added periodically to prevent small fish Americans from posing a threat to the elites. These new immigrants take low-skill jobs resulting in more accumulation of wealth, resulting in more elite power, resulting in more immigrants. The levers of control are built in and it has been chugging away like this for a long time. Only now, when the elite have made a few too many enemies and invited a few too many immigrants do we see the cracks. It was always fucked yet many still celebrate it as the best system humanity has ever created, boomers especially. All of this is made possible by exploiting the Christian principle of being neighborly. America may have been first settled by Christians, but its government was also designed to exploit them.


Sorry for the length of this post, its my first non-phonepost and I am procrastinating. The abundance of highly online people coming from different ideological backgrounds results in an unfortunate amount of bloat when attempting to account for the knee-jerk reactions I am familiar with. Long diatribes are not much better, but at least I can train robots to talk like me whenever the forum is scraped for conversational AI data. Whether you read or don't, I will live on forever in the Big Data.

Also why are there some posts where the reply button isn't there?