Hazbin Hotel / Helluva Boss Thread - Now a Griefing Thread

[Kermit Can]

I'm sure it's simply because white/black wholesale apparel is cheaper to source.

 

[AnOminous]

Dude, Blitz just told her to be nicer to customers and she beat him up and when he went to apologize crying to her she kicked him in the balls despite having a conversation about how dads care even when they make mistakes

that's not her being reasonable

Okay you're right I looked at it again and she really did just attack him completely out of nowhere.

Still she actually gave good advice to Octavia and does love her dad, even though she kicks him in the balls from time to time.

The episode was pretty sweet.

 

[SubarashiiRage]

Okay you're right I looked at it again and she really did just attack him completely out of nowhere.

Still she actually gave good advice to Octavia and does love her dad, even though she kicks him in the balls from time to time.

The episode was pretty sweet.

"love her dad, even though she kicks him in the balls from time to time." contradictory statement

if the core of the episode is the conversation about father and daughter relationships and how they love each other despite their problems, why show the character who gave the advice to be a hypocrite?

this would be more acceptable in a pure adult comedy show, but the last episodes want to give a deeper and more serious tone to the situations, making these slapstick events appear needlessly cruel instead of comedic

even more so with Stella's situation where we should see her actions as abusive and cruel in the previous episode when she almost slapped Stolas, but showing Loona hitting and kicking Blitzo as something bordering on endearing "is just how she expresses love" shit

whether the show is comedy or drama I don't care, be consistent and don't mix it up mindlessly

 

[A Grey Cat]

I hate the “I can fix him/her” and the, “I’m not like other girls/guys” tropes.

In my opinion, they need to die.

If I may paraphrase the immortal batman storyline mad love;


It soon became clear to me that loona/octavia/mille/stella (yes really Stella) so often seen as a raving angry bad girl was actually a tortured soul crying out for love and affection. A lost injuried puppy/birb trying to make sense of a world gone mad. (emphsis on paraphrase)

And you're right that mind set is just... It's worse than simps because at least simps are trying to white knight for someone who actually exists.

 

[AnOminous]

It soon became clear to me that loona/octavia/mille/stella (yes really Stella) so often seen as a raving angry bad girl was actually a tortured soul crying out for love and affection. A lost injuried puppy/birb trying to make sense of a world gone mad. (emphsis on paraphrase)

The more I think about Stella the more I actually sympathize for why she's an insane vicious bitch.

It isn't just that she was forced into a loveless marriage for political reasons. That stuff has happened with nobility throughout all of history. Usually the accepted method of coping was to have the obligatory heir and maintain appearances while screwing other people.

But they'd keep those things on the down-low and not public. Stella is traditional enough she wants to keep the front up that they're a normal family.

Stolas absolutely does not give a single shit about maintaining appearances and if anything flaunts his deviancy and adultery. His entire public career has humiliated and disgraced Stella. Stolas is completely narcissistic and does not care in the least about how his actions affect other people, like Stella or even Octavia, the one person other than Blitz he seems to care about.

And you can tell what the public opinion of Stolas is from how the Wrath ring imps look at him when he's doing his ceremonial duties. They may be "inbred chucklefucks" but he has no respect for them either, and if Striker had shot him right then and there, he probably would have become a folk hero immediately.

He seems completely oblivious to this.

So if you look at this from Stella's viewpoint, they were both forced into this unwanted marriage, but Stella was prepared for a while to maintain appearances at least for the sake of Octavia, and Stolas wasn't willing to tone down the rampant faggotry even a little bit.

I don't think she'd hate him as much as she does if he had even the minimal courtesy not to flaunt his degeneracy at every available opportunity.

 

[InJailOutSoon]

The more I think about Stella the more I actually sympathize for why she's an insane vicious bitch.

It isn't just that she was forced into a loveless marriage for political reasons. That stuff has happened with nobility throughout all of history. Usually the accepted method of coping was to have the obligatory heir and maintain appearances while screwing other people.

But they'd keep those things on the down-low and not public. Stella is traditional enough she wants to keep the front up that they're a normal family.

Stolas absolutely does not give a single shit about maintaining appearances and if anything flaunts his deviancy and adultery. His entire public career has humiliated and disgraced Stella. Stolas is completely narcissistic and does not care in the least about how his actions affect other people, like Stella or even Octavia, the one person other than Blitz he seems to care about.

And you can tell what the public opinion of Stolas is from how the Wrath ring imps look at him when he's doing his ceremonial duties. They may be "inbred chucklefucks" but he has no respect for them either, and if Striker had shot him right then and there, he probably would have become a folk hero immediately.

He seems completely oblivious to this.

So if you look at this from Stella's viewpoint, they were both forced into this unwanted marriage, but Stella was prepared for a while to maintain appearances at least for the sake of Octavia, and Stolas wasn't willing to tone down the rampant faggotry even a little bit.

I don't think she'd hate him as much as she does if he had even the minimal courtesy not to flaunt his degeneracy at every available opportunity.

This just goes to show how badly written this show is. They have to make others characters so one-note and overtly bad to make their main characters (looking at you Stolas) better in comparison.

Stella's whole character is that she wants to make Stolas' life miserable. Why? Because she's evil. Why is she evil? I don't know...she's just born that way.

 

[AnOminous]

Stella's whole character is that she wants to make Stolas' life miserable. Why? Because she's evil. Why is she evil? I don't know...she's just born that way.

I disagree and hope we actually see a Stella-centric episode and then people like you will bitch that the character completely changed because they turned out somewhat more complex than they looked at first glance.

 

[SubarashiiRage]

I disagree and hope we actually see a Stella-centric episode and then people like you will bitch that the character completely changed because they turned out somewhat more complex than they looked at first glance.

this is not an interpretation, Stella literally says this is her motivation in the episode and they show that she was like that since she was a child.

the character was more complex before having more information dedicated to her, the show made a point of showing that she hates Stolas and doesn't care about Octavia and that there's nothing deeper about her.

if they show that she is more complex than that they would be contradicting e retconning themselves making her dialogue and actions so far nonsensical

 

[AnOminous]

this is not an interpretation, Stella literally says this is her motivation in the episode and they show that she was like that since she was a child.

Stella, like every character in the show, says a lot of shit and you shouldn't take it all at face value.

 

[SubarashiiRage]

Stella, like every character in the show, says a lot of shit and you shouldn't take it all at face value.

so dialogue from the show is meaningless?

If I can't trust what the characters say in a context where they have no reason to lie, how can I invest my interest in a show like this?

 

[AnOminous]

so dialogue from the show is meaningless?

If I can't trust what the characters say in a context where they have no reason to lie, how can I invest my interest in a show like this?

I dunno. Maybe you can't. Or don't want to.

I just kind of like this show with its flaws or whatever. These characters give me feels. I don't mind if you don't like them like I do.

Still. They lie.

 

[NSJAP]

>Stolas having sexual feelings in his preschooler years.

So, he was molested.

Got it Viv. I see that you really want to reinforce your "making shows that come directly from and deeply involve a queer perspective" claim.

 

[AnOminous]

even more so with Stella's situation where we should see her actions as abusive and cruel in the previous episode when she almost slapped Stolas, but showing Loona hitting and kicking Blitzo as something bordering on endearing "is just how she expresses love" shit

whether the show is comedy or drama I don't care, be consistent and don't mix it up mindlessly

I'm going to disagree, DO mix it up mindlessly, mix up violence and affection all the time.

Loona attacking Blitz is affection, he actually picked her out of the orphanage out of some weird choice to pick the most fucked-up adoptee. Because he saw something about himself in her.

Anyway I don't care. This episode gave me feels, and that's all that matters.

 

[Shidoen]

My brother just mentioned it to me and now I have confirmation that he has a slim of my autism strand in him too.

 

[L50LasPak]

Got around to seeing the new episode. It seems like this show does better when it has one-off ideas for the most part, since there were some good visual gags, the pacing was much better than the last few episodes have been, and even Stolas seems to have come out of the slump they wrote him into.

I haven't read the whole thread yet, but I can already tell people aren't happy about the episode focusing heavily on Loona. I have to admit that once again I wish this show was more like the pilot, since she seemed to be way more harsh and far more antisocial in that depiction. That may sound counter-intuitive since most people are complaining about how hostile she is, but honestly I think by dialing it back they've actually made her less interesting. People displaying that kind of aggression in reality are typically rather severely damaged, to the point where anyone close to them is at a loss for how to deal with it. I find that kind of scenario a lot more compelling than the common "good girl at heart with a bad attitude" depiction, and its certainly attempted less often since the subject matter tends to depress people.

It would also work better for the character in general. Like kicking Blitzo in the nuts at the end. In the way she's portrayed, it doesn't really make any sense. That speech she gave Octavia would indicate she's perfectly able to just talk it out with her dad instead of losing her mind at being called out even once for some genuinely shitty behavior. If she was more hostile and antisocial though, the only way she'd be able to react to criticism would be violence, since she wouldn't know anything else, and wouldn't really be good at communicating when someone has done or said something that actually bothered or even deeply hurt her. Instead it just looks like she arbitrarily chooses to be mean or rebellious when she feels like it, since we see that she's perfectly capable of being reasonable the rest of the time.

Once again I feel the show just took the easy route and pulled the teeth out of what could have been a more interesting character. This bothers me less than what happened to Stolas and Stella though since I could tell Loona had been reworked the very first time we saw her after the pilot. She's a far cry from "a meth addicted homeless woman you let answer the phones".

 

[SubarashiiRage]

I'm going to disagree, DO mix it up mindlessly, mix up violence and affection all the time.

Loona attacking Blitz is affection, he actually picked her out of the orphanage out of some weird choice to pick the most fucked-up adoptee. Because he saw something about himself in her.

Anyway I don't care. This episode gave me feels, and that's all that matters.

what do you mean by mix up violence and affection? Do you even know what an abusive relationship is? WTF

the show pointed out that Stella attempted to slap Stolas as something abusive and bad, but Loona doing it worse with full on physical assault is a sign of love?
the show has a terrible case of double standards since it wants us to hate Stella and not Loona, despite demonstrating that Loona is just as bad.
Blizto adopts her, takes her out of a horrible place, gives her love and support and she still acts like an ungrateful bitch for no reason as she apparently understands and has sympathy for him but still acts abusive towards him.

But I guess explaining this isn't worth it since you admit you don't care.
unless you're lying and saying a lot of shit that I shouldn't take it all at face value, who knows

 

[AnOminous]

It would also work better for the character in general. Like kicking Blitzo in the nuts at the end. In the way she's portrayed, it doesn't really make any sense. That speech she gave Octavia would indicate she's perfectly able to just talk it out with her dad instead of losing her mind at being called out even once for some genuinely shitty behavior.

I read it as her realizing her behavior was shitty and actually feeling sorry for it, then realizing Octavia had actually done the same thing. Remember Blitz had his pick of the hellhounds and despite them trying to guide him to one of the better ones, he actually deliberately picked the fucked-up one.

I have done this myself, completely flipped out on getting criticism, then realizing later it was actually right.

I can easily see that actually happening and now that we know where Loona came from it makes more sense. It's interesting because slightly before the episode dropped I'd posted that the character was a one-dimensional caricature.

 

[AnOminous]

what do you mean by mix up violence and affection? Do you even know what an abusive relationship is? WTF

Yes. I do. Go fuck yourself.

 

[L50LasPak]

I read it as her realizing her behavior was shitty and actually feeling sorry for it, then realizing Octavia had actually done the same thing. Remember Blitz had his pick of the hellhounds and despite them trying to guide him to one of the better ones, he actually deliberately picked the fucked-up one.

I have done this myself, completely flipped out on getting criticism, then realizing later it was actually right.

I can easily see that actually happening and now that we know where Loona came from it makes more sense. It's interesting because slightly before the episode dropped I'd posted that the character was a one-dimensional caricature.

Her realizing she was in the wrong and then attacking him anyway after the whole resolution just seems strange and pointless though. If she feels like she can't open up to Blitzo because he's too much of a prick, the episode should have at least tried to establish that. Instead it seems like she attacks him out of nowhere.

 

[AnOminous]

Her realizing she was in the wrong and then attacking him anyway after the whole resolution just seems strange and pointless though.

I understand it because I've done it myself.