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The only thing missing in the predictions is Charlie having daddy issues with Lucifer.combined with this list of predictions:
abandon all hope, ye who enter here.
Hazbin Hotel / Helluva Boss Thread - Now a Griefing Thread
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🔧 At about Midnight EST I am going to completely fuck up the site trying to fix something.
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Oh yeah. I remember someone posting a screenshot from discord with her saying that transmen/nonbirary people were delusional. If I find it, I'll post it. Edit: Found it. Funny enough she doesn't talk shit about trans women it seems.
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Cassandra Clare
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Hey Kiwis, I'm new here, and is finally making a contribution after lurking for several days (gotta make sure I'm caught up).
I'll be honest, I'm the kind of person to believe accusations of studio misconduct because workers (especially writers and animators) are frequently mistreated in stuff like this. But IIRC the account that hosted this form made it PUBLIC for anyone to contribute, meaning bad faith actors can simply lie about working on the show and since its anonymous, who are we to assume it's a lie?
However the payment rates seem consistent with something another Kiwi mentioned like a hundred pages ago, about applying to the studio and being paid 60USD per second, I'll edit it into this post when I find it.
Edit: Found it.
Discord DMs are quite sketchy, I'm aware people speak differently when in public facing and when in private (especially with Vivz being described as still acting like a teenager in her 30s) but this kind of sounds like... an actual teenager? Like some teenager unloaded their grievances with "trans trenders" or whatever and changed their display name to Vivziepop to incriminate her. I'll be honest this screenshot is almost too good to be true.
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Discord screenshots aren't shit when it comes to evidence, considering how easy editing them is, and how any idiot can change their server profile to make their username say Vivziepop and change their pfp to look incriminating. I don't know, Vivzie secretly not being nearly as progressive as she seems is believable, but at the same time, there can't be a chance in hell she's /ourgirl/.
Not very helpful with how she acts.
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And so much of this shit is "OMG WTF I was expected to do actual WORK!"
Automatically ignored.
Nothing on Discord matters to humans.
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why does vivzie type like a 14 year old girl on myspace going through her "penguin of doom" phase? she's 30 fucking years old.
"teh"? seriously? is this a 2009 windows movie maker frag compilation?
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This is the only proof that I found. It was just around the same time, so it is possible someone posed as her. I'm just thinking that it's probably her because of how she usually talks and the fact that she's has called someone who identify as "agender" a crazy woman.
You know I'm starting to think that almost everyone who has/have associated with Viv have a couple of screws loose.
Cassandra Clare
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Well this is definitely an interesting development, where/how did you find this screenshot if I may ask? If real, this "Sam" fella (assuming this is a DM) actively leaked private DM's to... I guess fuck with Viv? The motive is quite unclear there, which only further points to evidence being that some disgruntled kids are posing as them. Unless you give some pretty hard hitting evidence that this is the real deal.
(Which, if real, makes Viv's previous way of texting a little embarrassing. Not even I spoke like that when I was a teenager.)
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Ok I was writing this response while looking into the "Sam" person and the validity of this screenshot, and in the process I've found some pretty interesting stuff that I believe haven't been posted here before.
First, about Sam, she's an art director on BOTH Hazbin Hotel and Helluva Boss according to her instagram
She has a twitter as well that I can't access because I don't have a twitter account and twitter is shitting itself right now
Her Goetiasona (no I'm not kidding) also made a cameo in HB which you can see here
She's also - from what I can see - also responsible for at least directing the HB character social media's... that got "archived" around Feb 2021, screenshots of Octavia and Stolas' insta story from before the accounts got archived/wiped can be found in this tumblr post (archive), along with Sam's statement (supposedly a bunch of people sent Octavia way too much porn and I guess the artist just had enough lol)
(For Viv's own statement check the post here (archive))
A masterlist account has tried their best to archive all of the insta's posts, but it looks like a lot of images and replies are still missing
She has a twitter as well that I can't access because I don't have a twitter account and twitter is shitting itself right now
Her Goetiasona (no I'm not kidding) also made a cameo in HB which you can see here
She's also - from what I can see - also responsible for at least directing the HB character social media's... that got "archived" around Feb 2021, screenshots of Octavia and Stolas' insta story from before the accounts got archived/wiped can be found in this tumblr post (archive), along with Sam's statement (supposedly a bunch of people sent Octavia way too much porn and I guess the artist just had enough lol)
(For Viv's own statement check the post here (archive))
A masterlist account has tried their best to archive all of the insta's posts, but it looks like a lot of images and replies are still missing
Apologies for this post getting as long as it is, but I decided being thorough is necessary in this instance.
As for Viv having a Discord, there seemed to have been a Vidcon server of all things that Viv herself was a part of for some time for an AMA, as announced in this post (archive). So there is precedence for her having a Discord account.
This image was linked to the Cherri Bomb wiki site, but when I went into its gallery there was no sign of this image being associated with the character, which is frustratingly common for the site.
Around a similar time frame there was a "Hazbin critical" account thats been called out on tumblr (archive) for attention seeking from the cast and being Mad At The Internet (tm), Not sure how relevant this could be but you never know with these people.
I also found the tumblr account that posted your first Discord screenshot with Viv calling transmen/nonbinary people delusional (archive) and whatnot, but disappointingly the account that brought it up devolved into semantics over saying the word "retarded" as opposed to Viv's supposed transphobia, so no new updates on that.
Oh, and remember when this thread was debating over Viv's crediting/"dont work for other indie projects" thing? Well there's this tumblr post (say what you will about tumblr but thank god for their screenshotting) including Ashley Nichols of all people being disgusted with that demand of not working for other indie projects. Could be fake, but EXTREMELY interesting... (archive)
There's another tumblr post that, on Google Images, shows the images that are linked to it, but when I visit the site it just gives me a shitpost image... not sure why it does that, so I'll just attach the images showing Viv talking with a "Ken" over crediting and promotion (apologies in advance for it being potentially out of order, I'm not sure where it starts and ends):
I also found the tumblr account that posted your first Discord screenshot with Viv calling transmen/nonbinary people delusional (archive) and whatnot, but disappointingly the account that brought it up devolved into semantics over saying the word "retarded" as opposed to Viv's supposed transphobia, so no new updates on that.
Oh, and remember when this thread was debating over Viv's crediting/"dont work for other indie projects" thing? Well there's this tumblr post (say what you will about tumblr but thank god for their screenshotting) including Ashley Nichols of all people being disgusted with that demand of not working for other indie projects. Could be fake, but EXTREMELY interesting... (archive)
There's another tumblr post that, on Google Images, shows the images that are linked to it, but when I visit the site it just gives me a shitpost image... not sure why it does that, so I'll just attach the images showing Viv talking with a "Ken" over crediting and promotion (apologies in advance for it being potentially out of order, I'm not sure where it starts and ends):
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I can't reply to you since your new. With the "kendraws" person, I posted the doc on this thread earlier. I pointed out that about half of the info there was interesting, especially in giving a read on Viv's character; the other half appeared to be petty drama. Again, like your typical expose doc.
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Did you seriously just compare the work of an animation legend that took 30 years of work and is still technically not finished, at least not how he wanted ot to be. To the work of a 30 something hack with the mentality of a 16 year old from the golden ge of newgrounds?
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Williams was obsessive and meticulous, that's why it never got finished. Granted Vivzie is far from that but when it comes down to it the results matter more than the work does. That's why The Thief and the Cobbler sadly ended up an abysmal failure at the box office despite the lifetime of dedication.
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Williams kept throwing out work that was finished on ThiefCobbler because he liked a new idea better and his accomplishments in his career all came from the stuff he had to finish on time for someone else to keep making money to keep spending on ThiefCobbler. It’s not an invalid parallel.
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Another seemingly unlikely similarity they both share: when you look past their respective novelties (the holy-shit-literal-gods-were-involved-in-this animation of T&TC and the indie-ness of Hazbin/Helluva), their actual stories aren't that much to write home about.
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I think this is like the third or fourth time Viv had to go on Twitter to explain about her show, but who's keeping count at this point. This fan's take is dumb; Viv agreeing with them is dumb; everyone who liked the post is dumb.
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Hey, Viv, writing tip: YOUR FANS AREN'T SUPPOSED TO GO TO GREAT LENGTHS TO DECODE IMPORTANT SHIT LIKE THAT BECAUSE IT SHOULD BE EXPLAINED SUFFICIENTLY ENOUGH IN THE ACTUAL SHOW ITSELF. Also still doesn't explain why, at the end of SS, when Blitzo tried to hug Loona, she decked him, instead of at least begrudgingly accepting it, like she actually had softened up a bit.
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Jeez vizie, it would've been helpful to actually write this information in your show instead of focusing on cringe shipping and sex jokes. She's just in the corner or used as an attack dog and nothing more. The finale barely added anything to her character either. All her female characters have 3-4 traits that define them and that's it. There was nothing there showing the viewer that she had gained a new understanding of her father either. Loona is literally a cardboard cutout in terms of characterization.
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It’s almost like having shallow characters wouldn’t be so much of a problem if the show was trying to be a goofy comedy about demonic hit men and not a fujo melodrama.
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"Deeply rooted anger and betrayal"
Lolwut? So Loona is a fragile idiot who takes her adoptive father standing up to her bitchiness for once as a "betrayal"? That just makes her reaction even more stupid. Good god Seeing Stars was garbage.
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Unpopular opinion? I liked it. It wasn't perfect but it was at least pretty good and had some nice gags that gave me sensible chuckles.
Cassandra Clare
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Looks like Helluva was nominated for a "Streamy's": https://twitter.com/ToonHive/status/1683634379774369793?s=20
The reaction seems to be mixed at best and downright hostile at worst. There's the few users who are excited that an "indie show" is being nominated for the Animated category but it's clear that not a lot of people are feeling too hot about it.
What's the thoughts on this from the Kiwis?
The reaction seems to be mixed at best and downright hostile at worst. There's the few users who are excited that an "indie show" is being nominated for the Animated category but it's clear that not a lot of people are feeling too hot about it.
What's the thoughts on this from the Kiwis?