Hazbin Hotel / Helluva Boss Thread - Now a Griefing Thread

[Tablet County]

That's just nazi shit.

That means it definitely wouldn't appeal to the Viziepop crowd.

 

[Guysho]

My friend mentioned at the end of the DHORKS episode, that this opens an opportunity to have a larger, government funded equivalent of Doom's UAC. But there's no way they'd ever do something non-gay like that.

 

[Doctor of Autism]

My friend mentioned at the end of the DHORKS episode, that this opens an opportunity to have a larger, government funded equivalent of Doom's UAC. But there's no way they'd ever do something non-gay like that.

If the DHORKS ever come back, they'll just be beaten easily while the focus is on more yaoi drama.

 

[AnOminous]

For all intents and purposes, what would a show (or anything) that doesn't target the "Hazbin audeince" look like?

The Dukes of Hazzard.

 

[Alter Ego]

For all intents and purposes, what would a show (or anything) that doesn't target the "Hazbin audeince" look like?

In my mind, Digital Circus and HH/HB, along with the video games Undertale/Deltarune, fall into a shared genre that I'd call "dark whimsy" that appeals the most to progressive millennials. Now I'm hardly versed with modern Western animation beyond the surface level, but I think I see that you have an unfortunate point in that the industry at large, whether corporate of independent, is geared towards this demographic, especially because the workforce is dominated by that same demographic making what appeals the most to themselves.

I'd like to say that Lackadaisy's target demographic is different since the original comic was made in a time 15+ years ago before the rise of modern, popular progressivism, but I have to admit that I suspect a full animated show is likely to be swamped in relationship drama and making characters gay all the same. Comparatively, The Last Airbender obviously targeted the young male demographic in imitation of shonen anime, but I can't confidently say that the franchise remains the same in this regard post Korra.

So yeah, I guess you got me.

 

[Seafarer]

they get a significant amount of funding from the Australian government

That shit is so fucking stupid and bewildering, I once heard of an Anarchist Fallout mod that was funded by the Canadian government and I nearly had an aneurysm.

 

[Sparkling Yuzu]

The animation in Digital Circus is ugly and I refuse to watch it.

 

[AnOminous]

I just want early season one back. If that means AnOminous has to have sex with Jim Sterling, I'm willing to make that sacrifice.

As low as they are, I do have some standards.

 

[I_Am_Not_Bruce_Willis]

In my mind, Digital Circus and HH/HB, along with the video games Undertale/Deltarune, fall into a shared genre that I'd call "dark whimsy" that appeals the most to progressive millennials. Now I'm hardly versed with modern Western animation beyond the surface level, but I think I see that you have an unfortunate point in that the industry at large, whether corporate of independent, is geared towards this demographic, especially because the workforce is dominated by that same demographic making what appeals the most to themselves.

Would you say that subgenre started with Homestuck back in 2012? Or does it go deeper than that, like with say, Yume Nikki?

 

[Prince Vegeta]

I'd say earlier. In terms of origin I think it started in the late 1990s and early 2000s anime and J-pop and visual kei boom that made Japan export their stuff to America wholesale (cool Japan), which created the teenage fujos and neckbeards in the 2010s that never grew out of that stuff. When I see stuff like undertale or HH, I'm instantly reminded of those things. But I might be wrong.

 

[Whiskey]

I'd say earlier. In terms of origin I think it started in the late 1990s and early 2000s anime and J-pop and visual kei boom that made Japan export their stuff to America wholesale (cool Japan), which created the teenage fujos and neckbeards in the 2010s that never grew out of that stuff. When I see stuff like undertale or HH, I'm instantly reminded of those things. But I might be wrong.

Feel like it was really the nightmare before Christmas that was ground zero.

The crowd was young enough at the time to be drawn into the musical aspect of it and then later actually understood Jack's melancholy and connected with the characters. It being a holiday staple film also ensures it has more longevity then most.

Least that's my guess. It has all the ingredients of the genre. Homestuck strikes me more as novelty internet culture then tied directly to it... it's the odd product of it's time that isn't directly connected to anything but sorta is.

 

[Alter Ego]

Would you say that subgenre started with Homestuck back in 2012? Or does it go deeper than that, like with say, Yume Nikki?

Yume Nikki, no. While I know the predecessor Problem Sleuth, I know almost nothing about Homestuck to make any kind of judgement call regarding it (as I was quickly filtered by its massive walls of texts from the onset). I only ever saw the original cartoon short, but maybe Adventure Time falls under this genre, considering the dark lore stuff and scary lich character I heard it gets involved with later on. Steven Universe certainly looks "whimsy", but I'm not aware of it being "dark". Invader Zim is "dark", but I wouldn't call it "whimsy" in the colorful and feminine aesthetic that I'm meaning.

Don't think too hard on this "dark whimsy" genre label I just made up. I'm just trying to succinctly describe how to me Digital Circus feels so comparable to HH/HB despite the noted absence of Viv-isms discussed and ridiculed throughout this thread.

 

[Dave.]

HAHAHAHA no way Fatmanfalling is a fan of Helluva Boss?! If so, I guess I gave him a lil too much credit for his RWBY critiques back than; he's an even bigger retard than I thought.

 

[The Lawgiver]

I haven't been following this show for a while and seeing the shit in this thread the last several months is fucking insane with the amount of quality drop from a pretty dynamically animated comedy series to whatever the fuck shit it is now. Apperently the pilot/episode 1's "not canon" now? Ok so what about the shit that referenced the events of it constantly in later episodes as a goofy callback?Are we supposed to just ignore that?

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Wasn't this the clown guy that was all like wacky sleazy scary and shit in the first few episodes that's amusement park fucking got burnt down due to the IMP guys' goofy antics? Also how the fuck are there innocent woobie ass deaf kids in ACTUAL HELL. Didn't expect this shit to be one of the many casualties of the eternal current year, but here we are I guess.

Would you say that subgenre started with Homestuck back in 2012?

Homestuck was 2009 and it wasn't really "dark whimsy" in it's appearance, more "aping early point and click comedy game styles and logic structures" till it started to decay after post clickbait article hype popularity boom and the milking that followed.

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I fucking hate how the word "Queer" is now just politics/corpospeak for gay. Another funny word synonymous with "weird" ruined.

 

[Guysho]

What Viv doesn't understand is composition and setup. This more mundane scene from an old French
film has captured my interest moreso than an entire season of HB thus far. The paintings and the technical
achievements for the 1940's.

 

[The Ultimate Ramotith]

For all intents and purposes, what would a show (or anything) that doesn't target the "Hazbin audeince" look like?

Veggietales and Larryboy: right-wing, un-woke, pro-Christian, teaches actual good values, child-friendly, aimed at children.

 

[Seafarer]

Veggietales and Larryboy: right-wing, un-woke, pro-Christian, teaches actual good values, child-friendly, aimed at children.

Also funnier than HB.

 

[The Fair Lady]

She really admitted this with pride. Note the “well delivered.”

 

[Niggerphobe]

She really admitted this with pride. Note the “well delivered.”
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I take it she only watched early South Park

 

[Doctor of Autism]

Also how the fuck are there innocent woobie ass deaf kids in ACTUAL HELL.

To be fair, they are just demons native to hell than some dead human deaf kid.

In my mind, Digital Circus and HH/HB, along with the video games Undertale/Deltarune, fall into a shared genre that I'd call "dark whimsy" that appeals the most to progressive millennials. Now I'm hardly versed with modern Western animation beyond the surface level, but I think I see that you have an unfortunate point in that the industry at large, whether corporate of independent, is geared towards this demographic, especially because the workforce is dominated by that same demographic making what appeals the most to themselves.

I'd like to say that Lackadaisy's target demographic is different since the original comic was made in a time 15+ years ago before the rise of modern, popular progressivism, but I have to admit that I suspect a full animated show is likely to be swamped in relationship drama and making characters gay all the same. Comparatively, The Last Airbender obviously targeted the young male demographic in imitation of shonen anime, but I can't confidently say that the franchise remains the same in this regard post Korra.

So yeah, I guess you got me.

I really don’t know how HB can be called whimsical in anyway, it’s just a constantly miserable show with piss poor worldbuilding about fags crying about issues they put on themselves. Most of the characters aren’t even that good. HH probably fits the whimsical side of it because of Charlie but given Viv’s writing, I really doubt the actual show could really keep the whimsy of the pilot.