Hazbin Hotel / Helluva Boss Thread - Now a Griefing Thread

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King Metalia said:
I'm genuinely curious if there are any straight characters in Viv's work? Pretty much everyone's either currently gay or retconned to gay. I don't have a problem with gay people and even I think the shows are to queer. It boring and repetitive at this point.
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Isn't it obvious? Viv is still stuck in 2015/16 where this and constant swearing are still percieved to be novel and "edgy." Just look at what Rebecca Sugar was doing around that time, for example.
 
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I swear the images look waayyy cheaper than even Helluva Boss or the pilot could ever be, they all look like pngs sloppily pasted onto a background by a tired animator at 3AM. What particularly stands out to me is this one, because to me, it suggests that instead of actual background characters, they're just going to do that one thing season 1 RWBY did (You know, ten fucking years ago) and make the background characters silhouettes.
EDIT: wait, I think I figured it out, they're casting absolutely ZERO fucking shadows on them or the environment, that's why they look so out of place, combined with the weird blur effect on their outlines.
Seventh Star said:
Hey remember when the animation actually looked edgy and kinda cool. I sure do.

I almost wish we could Snoot Game this bullshit.
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I've nearly got half a mind to start looking for fanfic of this shit, since it already feels like one, and I'm getting sick of it having occasional flashes of actually interesting setups that get shat on almost immediately. The main problem with trying to Snoot Game HB and/or HH is that absolutely no one cared about GVH, while Viv still has some of the most militant, blatantly egged on dickriders I think I've seen in recent fandom history.
 
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Lord of the Large Pants said:
If anything I think Bojack Horseman had the opposite problem of Helluva Boss. (Which is also funny, since the acronyms are reversed, BH and HB.)

Bojack's writers were concerned that people were sympathizing a little TOO much with the characters, and you, silly viewer, weren't supposed to do that. You were supposed to ignore the characters redeeming qualities (except Diane, who was always right, especially when she was wrong). You were supposed to cheer when they were finally punished for their misbehavior. It got to the point where in-character descriptions of past events lied about facts to make them sound worse than what actually happened.

For example, Pete Repeat telling Hollyhock about the night Bojack got drunk with a bunch of kids at prom. Pete claimed that he forced them to drink alcohol, which was a complete lie, they had brought their own and Bojack went along with it. What he actually DID was bad enough. One of the girls drank so much she ended up in the ER, and Bojack swore everyone to secrecy to protect him image. But the show just could never resist saying "NEVER FORGET THAT THIS A BAD PERSON, STOP SYMPATHIZING WITH THEM, THEY DESERVE PUNISHMENT", even if they had to make shit up. Even if the punishment was for something they didn't actually do, you were supposed to support it because that's karma.
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I actually loved that the show did little things like that. Pete Repeat's account of what happened is off because the whole incident messed him up, he was a teenager, and it's been a few years since it happened; BoJack lies that he and Sarah Lynn were too drunk and high to know what they were doing when they slept together even though he was fine at the time. Characters misremember things, fudge the truth, and change their minds. Made them feel like real people.
 
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InJailOutSoon said:
I can't put my finger on it but everyone looks slightly off. Like they don't belong in the scenery. Could they not even put like a shadow on the ground where the characters are standing to show that they are actually there and not just plastered on? Also...
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Vaggie has wings? At least, I think they are wings.
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Smity Werbenjagermanjensen said:
If that fallen angel Vaggie theory turns out to be true you just know Viv is going to use it as an excuse to say Heaven is shitty instead of Vaggie fucking up big time to where it's totally understandable why she was kicked out.
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Vaggie being a fallen angel would render most of her wiki obsolete since it established she was a human of Salvadoran descent (like her creator because of course). Watch the Hazbin pilot is declared to no longer be canon.
 
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Niggerphobe said:
So they find a rapist and a screen attractive goddamit
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What do you expect? Alastor is the most famous character in Hazbin and he's more often shown in fanworks as a generic Tumblr Sexyman than he is a cannibalistic serial killer and knowing Viv she'll probably retcon shit to make him sympathetic and make him have a hidden heart of gold.
 
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The Fair Lady said:
Welp I guess VoxVal is staying canon.
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God I hated these two when it was revealed they were dating. Vox seemed like a seriously dangerous and powerful adversary to Alastor that he hated enough to break his gentleman facade and curse out under his breath, and was stated to be strong enough to cause hell-wide power outages when angry (no idea how that works with the whole ring system), then the Instagram revealed him to be Valentino's battered little bitch and actually Val's calling all the shots.
Also, the fandom's getting wayyy too comfortable about the actual confirmed rapist pimp, I swear. (You can legit see him forcing himself on Angel in the Addict video and they've been leaning toward the tumblr sexyman angle for a little too long.)

I was holding out hope for the longest time that Alastor would be relatively safe from the yaoi fujo shit due to being asexual, and you know, a homicidal cannibal who rampaged through hell for fun, but it's not looking good with how pussy the screenshot of his true form looks compared to the other few times we've seen it.
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Cave Fisher said:
God I hated these two when it was revealed they were dating. Vox seemed like a seriously dangerous and powerful adversary to Alastor that he hated enough to break his gentleman facade and curse out under his breath, and was stated to be strong enough to cause hell-wide power outages when angry (no idea how that works with the whole ring system), then the Instagram revealed him to be Valentino's battered little bitch and actually Val's calling all the shots.
Also, the fandom's getting wayyy too comfortable about the actual confirmed rapist pimp, I swear. (You can legit see him forcing himself on Angel in the Addict video and they've been leaning toward the tumblr sexyman angle for a little too long.)
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Admittedly Valentino gets a shit ton of hate by the fanbase and I don't see too much Tumblr Sexyman shit of him thanks to his treatment of Angel who is the second most popular character, and it seems like most people who do like him like him because he's a seemingly heartless bastard of a villain who has a decent design, which I can get behind. Vox however get's a ton of Tumblr Sexyman treatment thanks to the Instagram posts as you said.
Cave Fisher said:
I was holding out hope for the longest time that Alastor would be relatively safe from the yaoi fujo shit due to being asexual, and you know, a homicidal cannibal who rampaged through hell for fun, but it's not looking good with how pussy the screenshot of his true form looks compared to the other few times we've seen it.
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I can only hope that true form screenshot is him mid-transformation or something, like that's just a tease to draw up some hype for when he goes all out, if him going full blown demon is meant to be a big moment it would be pretty stupid to reveal it with a fucking screenshot, but given they might have revealed Vaggie is a fallen angel in the very same screenshot dump I'm not holding my breath.
 
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I_Am_Not_Bruce_Willis said:
It's kind of a shame. Seeing Vivzie fricc up this hard with her characters/worldbuilding kinda makes me want to share my own stuff on here. Except doing that would more than likely blow my cover, so I think I'll hold off.
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Vivzie seems to spend far more time with worldbuilding (or fetishizing demons or gay men) than she does writing decent stories. Zoophobia had the same problem. Hell, even in that fictional universe, Vivzie's unhealthy preoccupation with demons and satan were showing through.

Tho if she did get over her yaoi and demon fetishism, she'd improve so much. The only thing left would be for her to learn how to not violate the principle of Chekhov's Gun, and spend her energy on writing THE STORY.
 
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Cave Fisher said:
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wait, I think I figured it out, they're casting absolutely ZERO fucking shadows on them or the environment, that's why they look so out of place, combined with the weird blur effect on their outlines.
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And that's why the characters look pasted on instead of actually being in the environment. The environments have shading and lighting to them, the outlines are thinner and in different color. Compare that to the characters who have little to no shading and no lighting, with thicker black outlines. They don't look like they belong in the scenery. A little shadow where they're standing at would help a lot but they didn't even do that minimum. Maybe this is because Bento Box doesn't do much shading and lighting in most of the shows they animate. But even with those shows, the characters look like they belong.

I'll use Bob's Burgers as an example. The characters don't need any shadows where they're standing at because the environment has no shading or lighting to them. Both the characters and environments use flat colors and the same width of outlines. That's why the characters don't look out of place. All of Bento Box's shows fall under those guidelines, except Hazbin Hotel. It's the outlier as the environments have depth to them, while the characters remain mostly flat. Not all the shots that we got are like that, but that's only when the characters have the extra shading and lighting to them. I feel like most of the shots in the show are going to be mediocre, except for a few that will show the extra work put into them.
 
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InJailOutSoon said:
And that's why the characters look pasted on instead of actually being in the environment. The environments have shading and lighting to them, the outlines are thinner and in different color. Compare that to the characters who have little to no shading and no lighting, with thicker black outlines. They don't look like they belong in the scenery. A little shadow where they're standing at would help a lot but they didn't even do that minimum. Maybe this is because Bento Box doesn't do much shading and lighting in most of the shows they animate. But even with those shows, the characters look like they belong.

I'll use Bob's Burgers as an example. The characters don't need any shadows where they're standing at because the environment has no shading or lighting to them. Both the characters and environments use flat colors and the same width of outlines. That's why the characters don't look out of place. All of Bento Box's shows fall under those guidelines, except Hazbin Hotel. It's the outlier as the environments have depth to them, while the characters remain mostly flat. Not all the shots that we got are like that, but that's only when the characters have the extra shading and lighting to them. I feel like most of the shots in the show are going to be mediocre, except for a few that will show the extra work put into them.
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This image sums it up well, the ladder to the left has a shadow, as well as the tables to the right, but none of the characters or even the big ass cannon have any shadows. You'd think with the joke being Pentious is wheeling in this big weapon to what's supposed to be a peaceful place you'd at least see some shading underneath it so it doesn't look like a cardboard cutout.
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Also it seems that Cherri was traced. Sure, tracing isn't uncommon and you'd be hard pressed to find a television show that doesn't do it at all, but it's pretty hilarious we're already seeing it in the promotional material.
 
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