Hazbin Hotel / Helluva Boss Thread - Now a Griefing Thread

[Cherry Eyed Hamster]

Nahh, I don't think Viv would be a predator. Not because that's beneath her or anything, fuck no would I put it past a Fujo to be a predator, I just don't buy that she'd be attracted enough to somebody to creep on them unless maybe it's like that one time the Twelve Forever creator bragged about stalking a teenage boy and wishing his mother wasn't with him.

Agreed. I doubt Viv is a predator. She’s just a gross womanchild who can’t go a day without inserting her fetishes into her cartoons. Shame.

 

[Trollblade69]

Tried to watch Hazbin Hotel proper. Couldn't even make it through the opening narration without tabbing out.

 

[Cave Fisher]

I was reading an archived 4chan thread about Neokosmos because I was reminded of how shitty it was (Another weepy Steven Universe soap opera wannabe just like HB, but in spaaaace.) and by god does this same complaint match Helluva Boss' problems 1:1 (As it does Steven Universe and so much other slop)
To hammer it in just how cosmetic this series' lore and setting is, I fully believe nothing at all would change about this shitshow if hell was just a standard fantasy kingdom, and the IMPs were goblins or kobolds or something.

 

[InJailOutSoon]

I was reading an archived 4chan thread about Neokosmos because I was reminded of how shitty it was (Another weepy Steven Universe soap opera wannabe just like HB, but in spaaaace.) and by god does this same complaint match Helluva Boss' problems 1:1 (As it does Steven Universe and so much other slop)View attachment 6037863
To hammer it in just how cosmetic this series' lore and setting is, I fully believe nothing at all would change about this shitshow if hell was just a standard fantasy kingdom, and the IMPs were goblins or kobolds or something.

It's been mention countless of times that Helluva Boss could be set on Earth and with just a few tweaks, almost nothing would be that different. But that's just a thing with modern animated shows I suppose. People are more interest in writing the character aspects. Which is fine for the most part, except it feels like they never incorporate the setting into the characters.

And it always seems to be about relationship drams. I get it. It's probably the easiest way to get people hooked on your show, but there's only so many times I can see the same old story with the same old emotional beats, just in a different flavor of the week. And to top it all off, they're not even that good in writing that!

 

[Chilson]

I was reading an archived 4chan thread about Neokosmos because I was reminded of how shitty it was (Another weepy Steven Universe soap opera wannabe just like HB, but in spaaaace.) and by god does this same complaint match Helluva Boss' problems 1:1 (As it does Steven Universe and so much other slop)View attachment 6037863
To hammer it in just how cosmetic this series' lore and setting is, I fully believe nothing at all would change about this shitshow if hell was just a standard fantasy kingdom, and the IMPs were goblins or kobolds or something.

The saddest part is that you can do both. One of my all time favorite shows is Farscape, which has absolute shit tons of drama written in it. The reason it worked so well though is because sci-fi, action and (most importantly) the characters themselves always took precedence over that shit ton of drama.

Drama is a nice spice to have to change things up and add a nice emotional element to your show/movie/book/etc. But no one but freaks likes eating a mountain of spice with a few obligatory crackers next to it.

 

[AnticitizenOne]

I've only seen a single scene of the show (Alastor vs. Adam) and it looks awful. What's so good about that show to the point it generated a dedicated fanbase? (I know it's ad populum fallacy judging the quality of certain things according to it's popularity, but i would still like a answer)

 

[Trollblade69]

I've only seen a single scene of the show (Alastor vs. Adam) and it looks awful. What's so good about that show to the point it generated a dedicated fanbase? (I know it's ad populum fallacy judging the quality of certain things according to it's popularity, but i would still like a answer)

It had a rabid fanbase 4 years before that scene even existed.

 

[AnticitizenOne]

It had a rabid fanbase 4 years before that scene even existed.

Well, duh. But it had taken a different direction/premise to what pilot presented

 

[Cave Fisher]

The saddest part is that you can do both. One of my all time favorite shows is Farscape, which has absolute shit tons of drama written in it. The reason it worked so well though is because sci-fi, action and (most importantly) the characters themselves always took precedence over that shit ton of drama.

Drama is a nice spice to have to change things up and add a nice emotional element to your show/movie/book/etc. But no one but freaks likes eating a mountain of spice with a few obligatory crackers next to it.

I think Futurama did it the best, there were still dramatic and emotional moments that landed quite well, particularly with Fry and Leela, but you never for a second forgot they were in the 3000s.

 

[Cyber Bowling]

It's been mention countless of times that Helluva Boss could be set on Earth and with just a few tweaks, almost nothing would be that different. But that's just a thing with modern animated shows I suppose. People are more interest in writing the character aspects. Which is fine for the most part, except it feels like they never incorporate the setting into the characters.

And it always seems to be about relationship drams. I get it. It's probably the easiest way to get people hooked on your show, but there's only so many times I can see the same old story with the same old emotional beats, just in a different flavor of the week. And to top it all off, they're not even that good in writing that!

At the risk of beating a dead horse, I think for many the poorly used setting is one of the biggest disappointments. Whenever I heard either show described, the fact that they're set in hell is included in the initial pitch. It's usually the most specific thing, Hazbin was described as something like "daughter of the devil tries to rehabilitate souls in hell to become better people" and Helluva was something like "assassin agency in hell". I mean, Helluva literally has the "hell" part as the title.

Not every show has to utilize the setting. Some shows never even reveal where the show takes place and they're still perfectly good. But when a show is pitched with such a unique setting, it's implied the setting will be important. It's almost as important as the characters of the show and needs to be fleshed out. Ideally, your setting also helps inform character traits as well. Like, in a good show, you can understand certain characteristics/motivations solely based on the character coming from or living in a certain setting. Some episodes are even based entirely on seeing the characters temporarily shifted to a new setting and how much that changes things.

I'd even argue that's part of the appeal with Hell specifically, it gives the writing team an easy way to include a bunch of characters who lived wildly different lives across history and have them interact together, but instead, everyone feels like they're all from today's modern world. Actually, I don't know if it even manages to do that because at least in the modern world we have boomers and millennials and what not, everyone in hell really acts like they're all from not only the same time period, but are also more or less the same age range. It's just one is a hipster that likes radio, and one is a Fedora redditor that uses ye olde English sometimes for no real reason.

 

[Cave Fisher]

I'd even argue that's part of the appeal with Hell specifically, it gives the writing team an easy way to include a bunch of characters who lived wildly different lives across history and have them interact together, but instead, everyone feels like they're all from today's modern world. Actually, I don't know if it even manages to do that because at least in the modern world we have boomers and millennials and what not, everyone in hell really acts like they're all from not only the same time period, but are also more or less the same age range. It's just one is a hipster that likes radio, and one is a Fedora redditor that uses ye olde English sometimes for no real reason.

THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. The idea of hell isn't interesting because oooh spooky fire and brimstone and red demons, it's interesting because that's the afterlife, it's where every human on earth who's lived a sinful live went and inevitably will go, it's an environment that's been touched by every walk of life and served as a containment for the worst of humanity, the biggest tyrants, the most violent murders, and the most depraved rapists all left to their own devices to enable each other's worst tendencies across several different time periods in their new, fiery realm. All the while, armies from heaven regularly rampage with no mercy and force said monsters and the few "good ones" to either group up or get a lot more ruthless just to survive.

And yet, you'd have zero idea Angel Dust was a mobster who died in the 40s because he acts and dresses like a slutty wannabe edgelord you might see today at a convention, most people who go into the show without going over the outside material would have no fucking idea he was a violent mobster who overdosed back in the 40s. Not even his tommy guns give it away because Blitzo uses a fucking flintlock for some reason. (Man why DOES he use a flintlock? This has been bothering me since HB's pilot, there's no way he couldn't just get a revolver or something with an actually useful rate of fire), Nifty allegedly died in the 50s despite acting like any "lol, I'm so crazy and edgy" Tiktoker you'd see if you turned on your phone right now. Charlie's like 200 or something and acts like a 13 year old in the pilot, and a 10 year old in the proper series. Alastor acts like a redditor who thinks he's old timey because he really likes the music from the fallout games, and in general just seems like they haphazardly crammed several different characters into him and mangled every single one. Adam is the FIRST HUMAN, and he acts like one of those jock-type characters you'd see in like a...2000s Disney Channel movie.

Everyone talks the same, dresses the same, acts the same, I have no idea how old anyone's supposed to be because they all seem like people you would see in a public Discord server. The Good Place has everything look like it belongs from one time period, too, but at least it has the excuse of time in the afterlife explicitly working wildly different than earth time.

God I hope someone steals the basic setting premise for this series because I occasionally drive myself mad thinking about everything it could have been. I just know Viv would have a fucking meltdown about someone openly trying to Snoot Game her stuff, though.

 

[make_it_so]

And yet, you'd have zero idea Angel Dust was a mobster who died in the 40s because he acts and dresses like a slutty wannabe edgelord you might see today at a convention, most people who go into the show without going over the outside material would have no fucking idea he was a violent mobster who overdosed back in the 40s. Not even his tommy guns give it away because Blitzo uses a fucking flintlock for some reason. (Man why DOES he use a flintlock? This has been bothering me since HB's pilot, there's no way he couldn't just get a revolver or something with an actually useful rate of fire), Nifty allegedly died in the 50s despite acting like any "lol, I'm so crazy and edgy" Tiktoker you'd see if you turned on your phone right now. Charlie's like 200 or something and acts like a 13 year old in the pilot, and a 10 year old in the proper series. Alastor acts like a redditor who thinks he's old timey because he really likes the music from the fallout games, and in general just seems like they haphazardly crammed several different characters into him and mangled every single one. Adam is the FIRST HUMAN, and he acts like one of those jock-type characters you'd see in like a...2000s Disney Channel movie.

Everyone talks the same, dresses the same, acts the same, I have no idea how old anyone's supposed to be because they all seem like people you would see in a public Discord server. The Good Place has everything look like it belongs from one time period, too, but at least it has the excuse of time in the afterlife explicitly working wildly different than earth time.

To play Devil's Advocate (heh), you could argue that since they've all spent so many years in the afterlife, they've all kind of adapted to changing culture and language as they encounter more and more people as the decades/centuries/millenia have gone by, much in the same way even your grandparents might try to "keep up" as the years go on. And come on, Adam being a dudebro was actually pretty hilarious and one of the things that made him one of the best characters.

But the fact that otherwise, the show says nothing about who these people were back when they were alive is the single biggest missed opportunity to further flesh these characters out.

 

[InJailOutSoon]

I could understand some of the sinners adapting to current times (ex. the Vees since their gimmick is media), but when it's all the Sinners then it becomes less like you wanted to have people from different times interact with one another and more just an aesthetic choice. You have the Cannibal Colony, which is essentially a town in the early 1900s, so having different parts of Hell represent different decades would make a lost of sense.

But now thinking about it for more than ten seconds, the Cannibal Colony is now making less sense to me. If they're all Sinners, does that mean that all three residents there died in relatively the same decade? Along with their children? But, then again, Rosie is a Hellborn and they all look similar to her. But if their Hellborn, did they decide to adopt this certain lifestyle of the 1990's? And if they did, why? Is it because of Rosie? Why did Rosie then decide to make this town a Hollywood version of a musical set in the 1900s? Why the fuck am I overthinking this when it's obvious that Viv just like musicals with the setting of 1900s?

 

[glass_houses]

But now thinking about it for more than ten seconds, the Cannibal Colony is now making less sense to me. If they're all Sinners, does that mean that all three residents there died in relatively the same decade? Along with their children? But, then again, Rosie is a Hellborn and they all look similar to her. But if their Hellborn, did they decide to adopt this certain lifestyle of the 1990's? And if they did, why? Is it because of Rosie? Why did Rosie then decide to make this town a Hollywood version of a musical set in the 1900s? Why the fuck am I overthinking this when it's obvious that Viv just like musicals with the setting of 1900s?

From what I've read, the theory is that the Cannibal Colony was a town that was wiped out during a starvation event, with the residents resorting to eating the dead. Thus, they all ended up in hell together, and recreated their town as it was when they were alive.

Another theory is that when an Overlord gains ownership of a person's soul, that person takes on some of the physical characteristics of the Overlord.

Cannibal Town may combine these two theories.

Sometimes creators will throw random crap into their work purely because they like the look, or they want to see what the audience will make of it. A famous example of this is the birds nest scene in The Company of Wolves. Angela Carter, the writer, is famous for her multilayered narratives, but when she got together with Neil Jordan, the movie director, they decided to see what would happen if they came up with something completely without intended meaning.

 

[LucasSomething]

Damn, Helluva Boss is really a fanfiction story online. Post a chapter online, wait a week before you write the next chapter, and never look back on what you wrote. You vaguely remember what it was about, but it's not really important if you stay consistent because you're just trying to appease the horny fans who don't care if it makes sense or not. And just rinse and repeat.

HB has that RWBY style where "everything is canon until it isnt", where is zero foresight and stuff is added with no regard and we ignore previous season. One of the most absurd things was the reveal that PRISONS exist in hell, therefore police should also exist, but the only purpose of that is explaining how moxie met blitzo.

Another is how Loona can transform while Octavia somehow can't (beyond vivzie wanting to sell human loona merch) and Stolas suddendly revealing "his powers are limited at human world without the grimoire " so he cant afford a disguise but in S1E6 he was possessing a human and going full demon at earth easily.

and btw vivzie said on instagram a 4~ hours ago its coming today/tomorrow


How rwby of them, finishing the episode hours before release.

 

[InJailOutSoon]

From what I've read, the theory is that the Cannibal Colony was a town that was wiped out during a starvation event, with the residents resorting to eating the dead. Thus, they all ended up in hell together, and recreated their town as it was when they were alive.

Another theory is that when an Overlord gains ownership of a person's soul, that person takes on some of the physical characteristics of the Overlord.

Cannibal Town may combine these two theories.

Sometimes creators will throw random crap into their work purely because they like the look, or they want to see what the audience will make of it. A famous example of this is the birds nest scene in The Company of Wolves. Angela Carter, the writer, is famous for her multilayered narratives, but when she got together with Neil Jordan, the movie director, they decided to see what would happen if they came up with something completely without intended meaning.

The first theory I could maybe possibly believe, but the second one doesn't really work since every other character who has their soul own by an overlord doesn't follow this theory. I could believe though Viv going that path though. "Just don't think about it too hard. Turn off your brain and just watch the show", they'll tell me, while still continuously making their intricate theories over one thing they see in the background from a single shot.

HB has that RWBY style where "everything is canon until it isnt", where is zero foresight and stuff is added with no regard and we ignore previous season. One of the most absurd things was the reveal that PRISONS exist in hell, therefore police should also exist, but the only purpose of that is explaining how moxie met blitzo.

Another is how Loona can transform while Octavia somehow can't (beyond vivzie wanting to sell human loona merch) and Stolas suddendly revealing "his powers are limited at human world without the grimoire " so he cant afford a disguise but in S1E6 he was possessing a human and going full demon at earth easily.

and btw vivzie said on instagram a 4~ hours ago its coming today/tomorrow

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How rwby of them, finishing the episode hours before release.

Oh god, I can just see the countless amount of sex jokes and sappy, sad moments. It's just been this way for the past two episodes...I bet it will also be a half a hour long as well. I know nobody is forcing me to watch this shit, and I'm just unnecessarily torturing myself at this point. Doesn't mean I can't still complain about it though.

 

[Gondolindrim]

Very first scene of the new HB is a fucking Stolitz musical. God almighty, I don't know how much more of this I can take.

Edit: Okay everything after the first scene is really good. What the fuck? I'm so used to getting a subpar product, I can't wrap my head around the increased quality.

 

[LucasSomething]

It's out boyos

I cant look it right now cause i'm busy but it's lookin reeeal gay

 

[Fiwi Karmer 69420]

Holy shit, Loona actually got a few lines.

 

[Gondolindrim]

There's a noticeable bump in the animation, especially regarding the Cherubs. I guess the moolah from those merch sales are kicking in.